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  • #6
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    The thing to remember is he wasn't trying to be a hero, he was just a man trying to do the right thing. His effort is more than commendable, so sorry for his families loss.
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    Yup, he did his job. He did not intentionally go above and beyond his call to duty with expectation of great harm to himself. His expectation was great harm to someone else.
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    @armed_liberal I would say "...other *PEOPLE*" rather than "...other *Americans*" (do we know that everyone in that Wal-Mart was an American citizen? Would he have acted differently had the majority of people been of other nationalities?), but honestly, I'm just quibbling over details. You're basic point is exactly right.
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    @liam

    We really don't know what was going through his mind. Maybe he has listened to one too many people crying out that the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    Well there you have it, the thing that stopped these two bad guys with guns was themselves with a murder/suicide.

    And someone lost their beloved husband/father/son/brother.

    Hero, perhaps, I am sure his family would rather have him live and well.

    Laura
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    At least he tried.

    He wasn't "running" for the door.

    He maybe should have checked his surroundings a tad better. Though it is very easy to second guess someone while I sit in my comfy chair.

    But in my mind this guy was a hero! And he is feasting in Valhalla!
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    @AMSCountryboy
    remember, he was the only one shot in the store. the bad guys told people to get out of the store! they didn't want to kill everyone.
    Q: which branch of the military did u serve?
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    He was ambushed, just like the officers were by a pair of human turds who then checked out like cowards. My condolences and prayers to the victims and families.
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    Yes, and this drama also shows how dangerous it can be to show your gun. He was killed because the female killer saw him as a threat. Had he done nothing he would still be alive. So yes he is a great hero, and yes he is a symbol of the dangers of using a gun. He achieved nothing and died. Tragic gun heroism.
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    @C_Lassico both of the police officers in the pizza restaurant showed their guns and were ambushed and killed. If they had done nothing, would they still be alive? Are they a symbol of the dangers of using a gun? To say he achieved nothing and died is a little simplistic. He certainly threw a monkey wrench in their plans and will cause others in the future to think twice about the armed citizens in walmart. When police approach dangerous criminals with their guns drawn and lose the gunfight, have they done nothing? I carry a concealed firearm and I can guarantee any gun wielding criminal that comes across my path that i will definitely do the same thing he did, "nothing". I hope I have different results as many do every day. You can run. Which is really doing nothing.
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    @joebloe
    All I'm saying is that keeping your gun concealed may be the better option because a visible gun will attract the attention of the killer in front of you or behind you. Trained cops know how to protect themselves while dealing with an armed opponent, and the average gun carrier doesn't. So waiting for the cops may be advisable. But again, I'm not sure I could have restrained myself.
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    @Nautilus: Are you referring to my comment about having Children? I'd hate to think he left children when he died. It's not easy to be a kid who's father died when they were young. My WWII cousin died young after the war from the effects of his Malaria caught during the war & he left 2 young children. I'll never forget them at his funeral.
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    Once again for the nuts that think cops should only have guns.They were minutes away when seconds counted.If five more had been armed do you think these fools would have taken them all out?I really doubt it and they would have been stopped instead of taking their own worthless lives.
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    Sorry, I accidentally hit the "down vote" button trying to reply!

    You are correct, and these pieces of crap probably killed themselves worrying that there may be more armed citizens. I find it interesting that most of the places where these attacks occur are "gun free" zones.
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    @Thinkpeople Did you read the part about the guy having a legal concealed gun IN THE WAL-MART and trying to use it?

    If he was legally allowed to carry his concealed weapon in there, how the flying f*ck is that a "gun free zone"?
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    You are right and wrong. Of course his attempt was good and commendable. But it was also amateuristic. One could argue that it's better to have professional law enforcement deal with armed killers. Perhaps the cops would have covered their back or operated in pairs. I really think taking out criminals safely is a profession which needs training. Still, I would have done the same I think.
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    @C_Lassico How do you know his "attempt" was amatueristic (like your grammar, no such word)? How do you know anything about his training, weapon, the situation, or what he did? you don't. This guy could have been a green beret and it could have gone down the same way.
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    @joebloe
    By simply googling Wilcox you could have found some information before criticizing me. Then you could have done a better bloejob, joe.
    http://heavy.com/news/2014/06/joseph-robert-w...
    "A police officer told Las Vegas Review Journal,“This guy (Wilcox) was not some idiot with a gun. To me, he was a hero. He was trying to stop an active shooter.”
    At the time of his death, he was not employed, but looking for work as a web designer. Ironically, Wilcox had applied to the Metropolitan Police Department a few years earlier, but didn’t get accepted. "
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    Woman diffused her threat by just being a woman. Woman deserves no more respect than a man. I keep my eye on them too.
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    @Keyjo
    Yup, been in those kind of situations and the first impulse should be to take cover, which makes you a moving target which is harder to hit.
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    Doing the right thing does not make you a hero. That word gets tossed around to much i think. Good for him for trying tho. If more people had the tools and courage to fight instead of run these shootings would end much more quickly with a much lower innocent body count
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    There's a time to fight and there's a time to run. This is basic survival tactics. This man did what was logical because he felt that he could stop a killer. His only mistake was to not realize that there were two killers and he didn't know where the second one was.

    Most heroes do not wish to be dead heroes, unless they harbor a suicidal complex, and the longer one lives the more time he has to do heroic things. i can't blame him for not knowing abut the second shooter since I don't know the exact circumstances of their confrontation, but if he was aware that there were two killers then the mistake was on him.
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    would you consider putting yourself in harm's way, and ultimately losing your life, to stop scumbag killers to be heroic? What, exactly would you have to do in this situation to be a hero?
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    Actually, he did more than the right thing - or at least tried to, and paid the ultimate price. Had he been in uniform and in a combat zone, his actions would most likely, at the very least, result in serious consideration for the Medal of Honor.
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    According to obama - announcing to the world makes you a hero and you get a personal phone call. Lets wager if obama will even acknowledge this real hero much less make a phone call to the family.
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    @joebloe You don't do things like that thinking about heroism. You do them because it's the right thing to do. Unfortunately he paid the highest price possible for trying to do the right thing.
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    He had no idea the wife was walking behind him. This guy (Wilcox) was not some idiot with a gun. To me, he was a hero. He was trying to stop an active shooter.

    More guns less crime.
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    This is what I say if these two knew their was a chance that everybody in the store might be armed They most likely would of not went in their unless they were just on a death trip.I say arm everybody and you will see crime drop . They think taking guns is going to reduce crime that is bullshit because all they will get is the legal guns . I want to see these gun grabbing people go in to the street gangs and just try and take their guns or tell the motorcycle gangs to give up their guns this will never happen because the guns they have are mostly guns that have been taking by the law and were to be destroyed but was sold back on the black market for profit gain
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    @hotrod
    Problem is hey were on a death trip. When the cops engaged them, the woman killed the man and then herself.
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    So where is taking legal owned guns going to stop this? it is not . What I'm saying every where that they have took the guns the crime rate has gone up. This has happen in every country where they took the guns no matter what the media try's to tell you they are full of shit this is fact.
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  • #30
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    A very few I trust with a firearm. Close quarters is chaotic. In most scenarios I will find an escape or defensible position. Especially if protecting my family.
  • #78
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    He acted...which is the one thing most people dont do. He should have shot the bastard instead of trying to "apprehend" him.
  • #83
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    Funny how many of the same people that are calling this guy a hero would take away his right to have had the chance to stop these two murderers.
  • #81
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    As much as I would like to make political commentary on this I will simply say that I am sorry for the loss of yet another innocent life.
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    Hero? No, he was not a hero. He was a guy who apparently was able to legally carry a concealed weapon and apparently without a vest (ballistic) put himself into a horrible situation and was killed. He was the ONLY customer shot at Wal-mart. What does that tell you? I don't want to rag on the guy because he is dead, but had he been a good witness, it's possible that he would be alive today. If you are not a trained law enforcement officer, don't interject. Be safe and be a good witness.
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    Once the shooters left the restaurant, it appears they weren't shooting anyone. Mr. Wilcox put himself in the position to be killed.
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  • #136
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    The problem is that we can't even react quickly enough to avoid another car in traffic sometimes. Expecting a "good guy with a gun" to react efficiently enough to shoot a "bad guy with a gun" is idiotic. So unless you run around trying to look for bad guys, you aren't going to have too much of a rate of success. Even the police who spend their entire shifts surveilling don't always get it right, like the case of John Winkler in Los Angeles.

    Look, that kid at the Seattle college was prepared, he was a hall monitor, he was observing his surroundings........and he did it all with pepper spray.
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    The kid in Seattle was a true hero. Today's society throws around the word "hero" so much that it is taking away from the real meaning of the word. To most b people just going into the service or being a cop makes you a "hero". It takes a lot more than that.
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