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    So the author of this article basically says..."ah, nothing to worry about....".

    Funny how he shrugs of sharia because some middle east muslims don't even want it, yet it is allowed in the UK for civil-family law. Some muslims in Ontario Canada asked for it some years ago, but thankfully they did not get it. But in that case, a liberal party member(Bob Rae) agreed they should be allowed to have it because it's part of "multiculturalism". Liberals and lefties love tearing down their own culture and embracing others.

    There are also islamic ideological groups such as Hizb ut Tahrir, the Deobandi Movement, the Islamic Circle of North America and many more who exist and operate on western countries soils, have conferences etc...promoting "cultural jihad" on the nations they have immigrated to. Cultural jihad means having islam infiltrate western political, legal and educational systems. When sharia is allowed, yes just in civil cases, in the UK....cultural jihad. When Christian prayer is removed from public schools in Canada but muslims are allowed to have islamic prayer rooms and prayer times....cultural jihad. What makes you think the USA or any other western nation is immune to these moon cultists and what they demand?

    Last year in Texas and Virginia, 2 imams told their followers "muslims are above the law of the USA..."

    As with anywhere these people immigrate to and eventually increase their numbers, so does the trouble and cultural clashes.
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    Christians have enforced their version of Shari law: gay marriage, abortion, sodomy laws. Sure, they may shroud them in secular arguments, but there is very little difference. At least the Muslims are up front about it. If only there were a separation of church & state<wink-wink>.
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    One can't judge a religion by what it's most zealous intolerant nuts say. They're loud and always get attention, but few. Yes, there are a couple of imans calling for Sharia law in the U.S., but very few American Muslims agree. There's also a Republican candidate in Oklahoma who wants gays to be stoned to death...because the Bible tells him so. Does stoning have widespread support with Christians or Republicans. Of course not, but the extremist imans love the idea. Seems like radical religious nuts of all stripes have more in common with each other that with moderate people of their own religion.
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    @PauldenZangpo The far right evangelical fundamentalists do want a Christian version of sharia law. They are constantly saying that we are a Christian nation built on the ten commandments and denying the basic principle of separation of church and state. If they have their way, we would become a theocracy with a twisted view of Christianity forced upon us. Many do not even wrap in secular arguments
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    @RoyFloyd Any type of extremism is dangerous, and we have our own version here. The Oklahoma Republican is one of them. The fundamentalists here is a small group that is shrinking every day, but they are the loudest and most dangerous view, I think. The extreme right is letting them have control and their extreme ideology is not compatible with a democracy, such as ours. Your point about them being like all other extremists is spot on.
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    @nessaj76 their logic is non-sensical and self-serving. They assert the 'wall' in Jeffersons Danburys letter is a 'one-way' wall, when a wall by any definition keeps me out my neighbors yard just as much as it keeps him out of my yard.

    "...building a wall of separation between Church & State..."
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    I don't know how the author can say that this is not going to happen when a top adviser to President Obama and another Muslim. ...clearly stated that it was inevitable
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    @Cal google it...its that simple " top obama DHS advisor says caliphate inevitable...he is also a muslim.....so there you have obamas mindset in a nutshell....a top HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISOR who is a muslim with sympathy towards radicalism.....nice huh?
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    @Cal I realize you dont believe anything unless it comes directly out of the mouth of an angry young msn at MSNBC ....so I thought it best YOU find the story for yourself...it'll be a good exp. For you
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    @bsking

    "As I've said b4 inevitable that 'Caliphate' returns. Choice only whether we support #EU like Muslim Union vision or not"

    I'm going to go ahead and dismiss anything somebody says who is too lazy to spell out the word 'before.'

    Besides, as conservatives are fond of pointing out, the Obama Administration is more often than not wrong. What did that 'top Obama advisor blame Benghazi on? <wink/wink>
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    I agree mainly because when I look at the middle east and think of how little progress that part of the world has made in the last five hundred years you really have to wonder if they are capable of achieving the kind of progress that western society has made during the same period. Yes they are and will continue to be a threat through terrorism but if they ever create such a country it would be nothing more than a target for us to unleash the kind of hell that our military is capable of unleashing if all we have in mind is there destruction with no efforts at nation building or playing nicely.
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    Caliphate is the central core issue for all of middle east and the Muslim world and so very few people understand or even care.
    Will full ignorance on the part of Americans will not make caliphate go away.
    What's more, caliphate is the last thing the western world wants.
    Study middle east directly after WW2, Egypt, Iran, Syria and Iraq were well on there way to modernization.
    One of the greatest enemies of modernization and the west is within Saudi Arabia known as Wahhabism.
    Saudi Royals appease Wahhabism in order to rule, it's one big complex mess complicated by our dependence on oil.
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    I disagree. There are two things that unite all of them destruction of all infidels, especially Israel. Do not underestimate their unadulterated evil hatred.....look at the gains in Iraq already.
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    @Knightkore

    Who may I ask, "is them."

    "Them", FYI is a minority number of Muslims who've terrorized majority of Muslims.
    Most Muslims want to step into the 21st century but keep getting sacked back by a lack of jobs and a ruling class that's either not ruled or been allowed to rule in it's people's interest.
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    @daclark1911 Really? That is why most muslims go along with the so-called extremists? Even ex-muslims admit that Islam itself is extreme.....Muhammed was no Jesus.....
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    BobSmith Why on Earth did we arm these folks? If we armed anyone it should have been Assad... And why do you think anyone armed ISIS? Why do you want to arm a Poison Gas loving Dictator?
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    @BobSmith Gee bob you must be oe of the most gullible people on this board. Some rebels are art of ISIS & many other's aren't. Assad killed women & children with poison gas. Forgot that was part of the GWB justification for invading Iraq?
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    Saudi Arabia is not going to stand back and let Shia Muslims build a empire. It would threaten their power too directly. At the same time, the Sunnis in Iraq are already being targeted, and that, too, is of interest to Saudi Arabia. Any sect that would want to form a new caliphate would want the holy sites in Saudi territory, and that will never be given up by the royal family. The divisions of the sects run too deep to see a unified caliphate.
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    Au Contraire--

    The leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is in the process of starting a religious
    war, and so far, he's on a roll! Isis is the most brutal and most feared of all the terrorist organizations in the middle east. If he is successful in his quest, there will indeed be another Islamic Caliphate in the land of Mohammad -- and beyond?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-26622...
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    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is no more capable of creating a caliphate than Osama Bin Laden was. He has less than 10,000 men under his command. Probably considerably less. That's enough to cause a lot of chaos in Iraq, especially as long as the Iraqi army is too cowardly to stand up and fight even against an enemy they vastly outnumber and outgun. But it's not enough to CONTROL more than a handful of towns.
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    @Cal

    I would bow to your expertize, if you had any. <wink> However, we'll have to wait and see, won't we? In the mean time, I'll stick to the possibilities (even remote at this juncture) that I brought up & my source, rather than this OpEd. I lived & worked in the M.E. & N. Africa long enough to have a modicum of understanding of the Islamic mind set. All they need is the right person at the right time to galvanize these folks. And this guy, over others has that determination!

    "The difference between the impossible and the possible lies in a man's determination."
    --Tommy Lasorda
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    Your thesis does not take into account any number of existing warlords he would have to contend with. Muqtada al-Sadr being just one. This is the man who peacefully-on one occasion-shut down Sadr City to US forces. Did I mention he has his own city? His face is on billboards all about the city.
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    @Tacitus01 I read the link provided and there is no mention of these fighters using US supplied weapons. Inference and assumption may meet your standard of proof, but that's a poor standard I reject.
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    Absolutely correct. Unfortunately in the american media blood beats brains It gets you viewers and that is the important thing in america. Most muslims are far to ecuminical to believe this radical nonsense. They want nothing to do with it.
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    A Caliphate is the combination of the religious and political leaders under one Muslim cleric.

    Sure , for example Iran has a pseudo governments with pseudo heads, but the folks running the place are the religious leaders -- a Caliphate. Egypt was heading that way until the citizens got really upset -- their pseudo Consitution had the religious leaders reviewing every law and made the final decisions.

    And what exactly do you think the end goal is for the murderous crazies who brutally kill to win control of the country? But even they are not stupid enough to call the Caliphate they want a Caliphate -- Egypt taught them that even the enlightened Muslims are not enlightened enough to accept that the religious folks are the ones to make the country's decisions. But enlightened enough to kill and drive out those pesky Christians who think they belong there just because it has been their home for 2,000 years!
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    No amount of peace negotiators will ever bring peace to that region. These people have shown that violence is they only thing that they understand. And if need be and they continue to push their ideas outside of their territory and continue the genocide then turn it into a big giant flashlight.
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    Sounds a lot like what pre-conoloziation UK was like with the Protestants vs Catholics... But the point about embracing freedom of expression was spot on as well. No matter what organization it is, Government, Religion, Community, Etc.... If the goal is to censor or control other human beings, it's doomed for failure. Life is the freedom to choose. The human will wants to be free, and anything that halts this freedom, will always eventually fail.
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    I have no idea, and think most have no business even commenting because no one knows. There are too many doors open for new ideas and too many different views. After a lot of death brought on over there maybe then we will see what emerges. I would not be upset if they wiped out the whole country man, woman, child, and pets, leaving nothing but their death behind, same for most of the Middle East. They stink up the place and have for centuries, good bye I hope and good riddance. What I just said will not happen, but I wish it would.
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    The question posed "who will Mecca?" is the key. And the answer is simple: He who hath the power will run Mecca and that will be the owner of nuclear weapons, none other than IRAN . Does Alasdair Denvil not know this or does he have an ulterior motive in denying the coming of the Islamic caliphate?
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    I think that the rest of the Muslim world is standing by with their hands in their pockets. Right now is the best time to stop this movement, it is gaining momentum and shows no signs of slowing down. Once again it is the Muslim world that is waiting for the infidels to fight their battles for them. I think that the Caliphate is a possibility if this isn't stopped now.
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    The only thing good for the west that could come from this is if it takes a couple hundred years of infighting for things to settle out in the middle east before they can even think about expansion beyond again. In the meantime, we'd better be ready to open up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge and build some refineries or we're going to be paying ten bucks a gallon for fuel, which will be an economic hit far larger than ten buck a pound steak.
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    @CaryNickel You are unaware that N. Dakota has more oil then ANWAR? Think e should suck up all the oil so no reserves exist for our grandchildren?
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    @mimi57 Nice collection of misinformation Islamists can't replace the Constitution no matter what nuts post on the internet.

    I'd not bother to sell pork sandwiches were most customers are Muslim or Jew. That would be bad business.

    No western country has been taken over by Muslims.

    The attack in MA was done by 2 young men who were captured. 1 is dead & 1 in jail.

    Oil is being produced all over the USA as we post. Oil prices will always be based on world demand and oil isn't decreasing, demand is the demand combined with speculators who enjoy panic like you are promoting.
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    @Frosty45 ...Sorry, Frosty...You would be wrong again! LOL.. We get MOST of our Oil from the Mideast. The leftists have played a huge role in our failure to become energy dependent. Over
    regulation, over taxation, PETA and the " endangered bat or salamanders" nuts, who will shut down thousands of jobs to protect this "endangered species", when they could actually do fine living somewhere else. Not to mention those who are being successful banning Fracking, what
    the F**k !!! Yep, we can blame a lot on the environmentalists, Unions, and those who will picket
    and scream bloody murder when they hear the word "frack"...they do it here. Then they complain that there are no jobs??? Makes as much sense as the typical Left does...NONE.
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    A caliphate today would have to be a small enclosed monastic community. But more than one. In fact, that's the only way, if the moderates were able to separate the extremists from overall society. Islam isn't cut out for separation of mosque vs state, yet anyway. There's a first time hopefully soon.
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