• #10
    What was it that Bush said.....
    "There's a saying in Tennesse, and maybe Texas too.... fool me once shame on you. Fool me.... you can't get fooled again!"

    Hopefully Obama won't try to fool us again. Because 2 trillion dollars, 5,000 dead us soldiers, and between 100,000 and 500,000 dead Iraqi civilians later.... it obviously wasn't worth it. We deposed Saddam, but now there's more fighting than there ever was. The terrorists took Fallujah. NEVER AGAIN
  • #56
    that Bush quote is my all time favorite. nothing like mixing up quaint local proverb with lyrics from The Who.
  • #59
    Maybe the real question should be, what does an American life equate to in the pocket book of the war whores?
  • #70
    What most people don't know is the number of contractors (mercs) out numbered the U.S. troops!

    Clear indication of a false war ... add in the CIA involvement and you got another bullshit profit war like Vietnam!

    Before the U.S. invasion, the U.S. killed 4% of the Iraq population and most of those were children. Just remember that when you here the word "sanctions" being used ... that equates to starving people to death and committing crimes against humanity. What the U.S. done to the Iraq people is no better than what the Nazis done to the Jews ... only thing missing was the death camps!

    Here's the up to date numbers for the Iraq war...
  • #100
    @JustTheFacts ,.. The federal government won't protect U.S. workers, local communities and taxpayers from illegal immigration .
    Oppose amnesty now. Google this: NUMBERSUSA .
    Once you are registered (join us), go to the "action board"
  • #103
    @JustTheFacts what most people don't know is that contractors outnumber govvies in nearly every department and agency in our bloated federal government. it is not just a military tendency.

    don't understand the CIA involvement statement. the CIA is the main strategic intelligence arm of the US government. of course they are involved in any war. that only makes sense. it is when they are covertly involved in other people's wars, or taking action outside a war zone that you should be worrying about.
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  • #9
    The only people that benefit by these needless wars are the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about 55 years ago. These a$$holes need a constant state of conflict in the world to insure a constant stream of revenue for their weapons.

    Iraq was anoth mistake of a war that the conservatives (NOTE- CONSERVATIVES - not republicans) got us into.

    We got nothing but debt and body bags from KOREA, VIET NAM, IRAQ I and IRAQ II. Afghanistan needed to be attacked in the beginning because they sheltered bin Laden but we should have been out of there in short order too.
  • #16
    Didn't Jefferson try and warn us about the EXACT same thing. If fact, I believe he said there was NO greater danger to democracy than a standing army in a time of peace.
  • #76
    Please let cwi530, the most caring, compassionate, and honest poster on Politix amend your erroneous statement thus preventing another suspension. I got your back bro.

    Folks, what PN meant to say was Republicans overwhelmingly voted in favor of the war but they didn't have enough votes. It took Democrats like Clinton, Kerry, Reid, Schumer, Biden, Edwards, Feinstein, Dodd, Daschle, Durbin, Waxman, Harman, Blagojevich, Boswell, Bishop, Jefferson, Hoyer, Ackerman, Crowley, Murtha, Holden, Kennedy, and others to pass the resolution and send our boys to war.
  • #86
    Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
    Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
    Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
    Robert Byrd (D-WV)
    Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
    Kent Conrad (D-ND)
    Jon Corzine (D-NJ)
    Mark Dayton (D-MN)
    Richard Durbin (D-IL)
    Russell Feingold (D-WI)
    Robert Graham (D-FL)
    Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
    James Jeffords (I-VT)
    Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
    Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
    Carl Levin (D-MI)
    Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
    Patty Murray (D-WA)
    Jack Reed (D-RI)
    Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
    Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
    Ron Wyden (D-OR)
    Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)oRhode Island and James Jeffords (I-VT)

    Take note to the amount of (R)'s on that list. This was overwhelmingly a partisan decision....don't kid yourself...or others
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  • #21
    @jond414 good point. They are the same ones who preach about how taking philosophy classes are a waste of time.

    Maybe there is something to be gained by a liberal arts education: one is able to think for oneself instead of being told what to think.
  • #30
    "There are lots of instances of private business benefitting from prolonged warfare."

    - Dick Cheney
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  • #37
    It wasn't worth fighting in the first place. Would you want us to still be in Vietnam? George Junior put us in the worst war in the history of America and got us in deep - so funny that conservative followers choose to blame the guy that got us out of there. Let Iraq rot, this is NOT our fight and never was!
  • #38
    You're right, we made the same mistake in Vietnam. If we aren't comitted to victory we shouldn't get involved. Vietnam, BTW, was much worse than Iraq...magnitudes worse, maybe you're too young to remember?
  • #40
    @galt45 Exactly. Never should have been involved. That was the issue. Vietnam was a nastier war, but at least there was somewhat of a purpose, even if a poor one.
  • #47
    Wow, there is not one fallacy in your statement, yet you got voted down. Obama supporters fail to accept the truth. I bet those that voted you down, were for the war before they were against it.
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  • #2
    I was against it all from the very beginning back in the early 90's with Daddy Bush. Got no problems with them jihading the hell out of one another. It wasn't our problem.

    We see now it takes a ruler with an iron fist to keep wild animals tamed...
  • #66
    So, when they're done "jihading" each other, what next? Is that when it turns into our problem? Or is it when they start flying jets into our skyscrapers. I forget...
  • #87
    @Thinkpeople How do you think the Indians were conquered so easily. They were busy warring among themselves rather than banding together and fighting off the encroaching whites. Sadly, the Cherokee assisted the gov't, and when the gov't was done with them... Well we all know what happened after that...

    A very primitive and basic strategy.

    BTW, I doubt they would've given one F about us if we hadn't have invaded back in the early 90's, a whole 10 years before you imply that they randomly flew planes into our skyscrapers.
  • #1
    Nice gesture, but isn't it a bit too late to admit your error when at the time that the war began it was so obviously clear that Saddam didn't like al Qaeda anymore than we did? Tyrants can only abide with only one tyrant and that ain't gonna be the other guy.
  • #42
    Hind sight is 20/20. Move on already... for a party that likes to claim they are progressive, they sure do talk about the past a lot. Geez.
  • #71
    Too bad those same people didn't speak up to start with when we went into Iraq to begin with, however, at least they realize their mistakes now, NO MORE WAR! Period!
  • #39
    Most Americans have their heads buried in their self love. Then when the day comes & a terrorist drops a bomb on a city, these same people will be outraged & demand why no one stopped it.
  • #18
    I've got more important things to think about like what time is dancing with the stars coming on the t.v.
  • #125
    Not unless you are part of the military industrial complex and your livelihood is based on endless wars and cool killing toys.
  • #41
    The goal was well intended and lies were told but everyone knows that these people are fanatics and have been fighting since day one. Things will not change. Cut off all trade with that area, remove our embassies, and open up more drilling here. Deport every one of the SOBs here with a Visa or illegally. No more American blood on their soil.
  • #23
    I love the way they do these things. You all know what they say about hindsight. At the time there were even more Americans than this in favor of it. So now that we all see the final results our minds have changed.
    WOW! Big surprise!
  • #7
    Obama already saw to that, he has made our sacrifices worthless. He has wasted my brothers lives for his agenda.
  • #14
    Lives were wasted by getting into a winless situation. Obama made sure no more lives were lost for nothing. You should thank your president.
  • #25
    No, it was Bush who wasted your brothers' lives for his agenda. The war was worthless from day one.
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  • #192
    championing freedom for anyone IS worth it, but they have to want it plus when our government plays nickle and dime war game it is not,, we go and help we go to achieve victory, politicans out General's get it done! and when fighting a religion or a belief system you need to realize its going to be a long fight.
  • #191
    No! ABsolutely not! The United States had absolutely no business invading Iraq in the first place. We absolutely destroyed Iraq's infrastructure and destabilized that country.
  • #184
    Saddam was ATTEMPTING to build an arsenal of WMD, and spending a fortune to do so. Luckily for us, he had crooked employees. "Dr. Germ", rather than building a biological arsenal, was building a Swiss bank account. Good for her! Probably saved many American lives. Bush was not the only one relying on what seemed, but did not turn out to be, reliable information. Democrats in Congress and even Saddam himself thought he had WMD. Our mistakes were: 1. Cutting short the search for Osama, to start preparing for Iraq, when those preparations could have easily waited another 6 months. 2. Not rolling a grenade into Saddam's spider hole and calling it a day.
  • #183
    Out side of the terrible losses to our man/women power, the deficit spending for the military, the cost of doing business, and a myriad of other issues. we are the biggest losers, outside of those who served honorably!!
  • #173
    No way in the world was it ever worth attacking Iraq! Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq posed no credible threat to either the USA or any nearby countries. Bush attacked Iraq just so oil and gas prices would skyrocket through the roof, and so Bush could make the USA a tremendously expensive and unaffordable place to live!
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