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    As a federal worker then I say where are the emails? Emails are backed up routinely to multiple servers and not just kept on a hard drive of the computers a person logs into. So even if a hard drive was destroyed all those emails are still in a server stored off site. It would take a massive server failure of multiple servers for emails to go missing.

    Sorry something illegal is definitely being covered up at the IRS.
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    @drawesome yup. dead on. can't remember the last time that I had my emails archived to an internal hard drive. that's not even legal if your IT folks are actually following CERT directives. network backups have been the norm since at least the turn of the century in even the most backwater of government offices. this thing smells like a month-old fish ...
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    >>>Sorry something illegal is definitely being covered up at the IRS. <<<

    Or some sabotage by conservatives of IRS email to cover up damning evidence against Republicans.
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    SallyKohn Yep so clean of scandal, evidence destroyed- not told it was destroyed and pleading the 5th. Nothing to see here....all is well.

    Guess you have to defend your side, because you would rather defend party over country.

    Great

    Next GOP president that uses the IRS to target YOUR pet groups..... You can't say a peep.
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    For a group that didn't target conservative they sure made sure they lost evidence to clear themselves. and to date they still refuse to tell the truth. Sure smells fishy.
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    If they didn't go after them they should have...all these paks funded by lobbyists for Koch bros and others even churches who break the law by using church money to influence elections should lose tax exempt status...All these paks are subversion to our political process wrapped up in the constitution as free speech...If you pay lots of money then it is no longer free speech is it? To spend great sums of money to influence legislation to your views also means we have to pay more for your way. Thats why money in politics is all corrupting you cant take money and not be influenced, its impossible to say you can take contributions and not be influenced it means you are a liar and a crook.
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    @akita96th
    Absolutely correct. You can usually measure the contempt for the truth and freedom being expressed by conservatives by measuring the vote-downs you get when the absolute truth is spoken.
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    @Unfit2serve - I was thinking that this is the case with Liberals. After all, they attempt to "control the narrative" via propaganda and talking points in the media and, yes, down votes.
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    This is a very strange article. Kohn found one progressive group that was investigated and she says this proves the IRS did not unfairly target conservative groups. Did Kohn forget that the IRS admitted to singling out conservative organizations for extra scrutiny over a year ago?
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/irs-admits-tar...

    Kohn's example is a group that underwent a lot of scrutiny and in the end was not given tax exempt status. Maybe they didn't qualify for it, I'm sure the IRS does not examine only conservative groups, when it comes to squeezing money out of Americans they can be remarkably non-partisan. But that's not what the scandal is about, the IRS focused on conservative groups just prior to the 2012 election, they have admitted this. They have also tried to pass it off as a mistake made by lower level employees. That's where the scandal is.
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    >>>Did Kohn forget that the IRS admitted to singling out conservative organizations for extra scrutiny over a year ago?<<<
    No, she mentioned that the IRS singled out conservative groups like tea party, and progressive groups like Occupy. The 501(c)3 groups. The right-wingers just forgot to mention progressive groups were also singled out along with conservative groups. GOP duplicity without a doubt.
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    No organization, regardless of ideology, who engages in political games, influence, or speech get a tax break. Period. That is the law that was passed........only a text error continues to send our tax dollars to complicit organizations that engage in political influence-peddling. Churches will eventually have their tax-exempt staus revoked, along with every other business that attempts to infuence-peddle ala the use of large sums of money or skewed access privileges.
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    I just love how that progressive group remained un-named, while the conservative groups have come forward and testified before congress. Seems that they would stand up for themselves.
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    Why is the IRS paying settlements to CONSERVATIVE organizations then? Because they DIDN'T do anything wrong? Why are they settling if nothing happened?

    Millions of dollars were spent to archive those 'lost' emails. The company even used the IRS contract in it's advertising. If nothing else, fraud happened in the contracting, because we didn't get what we paid for. I'm going to try the "dog ate my tax records" if I deal with the IRS in the next few years; think it'll work for me as a private citizen?
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    @Tacitus01

    I'm amazed at far we've come downward as a free country here...the IRS starts stepping on the necks of American citizens like some Gestapo agency and we have all these idiots on the Left acting like it's no big deal and actually expressing love for the crap.

    I can remember a day that this kind of thing would have had everyone outraged and afraid of any government agency doing this to any taxpayer...especially the IRS.

    Where the hell did all the Sheep come from???
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    I keep trying to wrap my mind around this supposed scandal, but just can't. To be tax-exempt, you shouldn't be involved in politics at all. That's the way the law works. If the groups are conservative, they SHOULD be targetted. Same if they were liberal.

    Now, if the argument was "The IRS is targeting our party more than the other one", then fine. But that doesn't seem to be the complaint, so much as "the IRS are somehow violating our rights by trying to make us pay taxes that we shouldn't't be paying (well, technically they were just audited, but you get the point)", even though these "conservative" organizations are clearly political and should not be tax-exempt, by nature of being CONSERVATIVE.
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    @BravoJuliet Are you kididng me? Have you seen what Tea Party states have been doing? Talk about stepping on the necks of people. Let's start with the well funded meticulously organized effort to destroy the voting rights of hundreds of thousands of qualified American voters.

    That includes stealing the tax decusions of parents of college students if their kids vote where they live in college and not their home town. That includes moving voting booths away from lower income neighborhoods where people are less likely to have a car (like college campuses and senior living centers).

    Let's then go to North Carolina where anyone who discloses the cancer causing chemicals in the water used in fracking will be put in jail. No more free speech.

    Let's go to Tea Party states that are hiring private prison contractors while slashing money for schools.

    Let's to go Michigan where the Governor is now a fascist dictator who can appoint anyone he chooses to replace a town or city council without so much as a public hearing.

    Let's to that college campus where those kids, merely sitting down as a way of protest are getting pepper sprayed.

    You are merely fighting for the Koch Brothers to destroy worker rights and voting rights so they obtain more wealth and power.
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    Oh no, there was no targeting. That's why the first lie was "two rogue agents in Cincinnati." Finally, after enough lies were proven, Lerner pled the 5th. Then they lost emails. From the 6 people involved in the crime. Then they just threw away the hard drives, WITHOUT notifying the archives people. Now, several true experts still say they're lying about the emails being truly lost. Now they've actually admitted to criminal activity in releasing the information of one organization. But naw, "not a smidgen of corruption." Yet holder, dumbo's butt buddy, does nothing. The people know they're lying. All except the true devoted worshipping disciples.
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    "The people know they're lying. All except the true devoted worshipping disciples."

    No...the true devoted worshippingn disciples know they administation talking points are one big lie. They just don't care. The rule of law means nothing to these folks in their world of "the ends justify the means"
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    @JackinVienna Rule of law? You mean like the laws around making sure that groups applying for tax exempt status actually qualify? Or is that a law that's ok to ignore as long as it's a conservative looking for that status?
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    @AceLuby No...I mean the rule of law of equal treatement for all groups applying for tax exempt status. I mean the rule of law of not using the IRS as a cudgel to beat and intimidate your political opponents. But I'm not surprised you'd push back. You have demonstrated time and again that the ends justify the means in advancing your agenda.
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    @JackinVienna
    The only folks advancing an agenda fly under the false-freedom Flag on the Conservative side........since there never was any scandal in the first place.........thinking Americans aren't losing any sleep over whether or not IRS hard drive was lost, stolen, overwritten, or never existed.
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    If there's nothing wrong, nothing to hide then surely Learner should have testified before congress. Because after all if you done absolutely nothing wrong as claimed by her and the admin, then testify so this can be ended. Now that's easy, But anyone who knows government workings knows emails do not work the way they claim, it`s bullshit that a hard drive crashed and emails were lost, everything is backed up several times over, legally they have to. This is the kind of stupid ass lies you expect from a child, not the government. And the IRS is tasked to enforce Obamacare, yeah great, another looming disaster.
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    And if the IRS is so challenged and ill equipped to secure their email, then I suggest their the worst damn people to be involved with my healthcare records.
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    OK, that's Sally Kohn's opinion, I'm sure Politix will shortly post an opposing viewpoint from a conservative commentator. Right?
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    Conservative position is the daily news stories that dominate this story in the media. What's missing is the opposing view which this article presents.
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    Wow! This is incredible. I'm so glad Sally loves paying her taxes to the IRS.(Sarcasm) And I see that she's quite talented also. She took an incredibly hurtful and illegal situation and reduced it to a petty mass of fluff by twisting the facts in favor of the IRS.
    Jobs and the economy, Ms. Kohn? What jobs? Obama has completely annhililated the jobs market and is running down the economy.
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    @zipyourlip

    Trust me...you 401k is inflated at the moment...once the interest rates start moving upward...enjoy the downward spiral...as we all will...
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    Actually, a review of history shows the economy was at it lowest point prior to Obama taking over, as well as the # of jobs being lost were at record highs........but don't let the truth kick you squarely in the ass........ No conservative group "got hurt" by the IRS......no organization deserves tax exemption if the conduct politics of any kind. It is time for the free ride on taxpayer backs by political organizations to end.
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    They should do away with this whole tax-exempt status crap...except for legitimate charity organizations...the notion that the Tea Party should be tax exempt is absurd...they are clearly a political group....as are many religious organizations....
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    I would go so far as to say eliminate tax exempt status for all. However that has nothing to do with what the IRS is being accused of.
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    @Thunderchicken
    It's about the IRS targeting certain groups and organizations...many of whom were claiming tax exempt status....eliminating it altogether would work for me, too
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    @happyhedon

    Oh it's balloned to much more. From failure to follow archiving law to destroying evidence to obstruction of justice. Even Obama's scandles have scandles of their own.
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    Are you kidding me? Over 200 Conservative groups targets versus what 5 or 6 Liberal? So you can point to one example of a Liberal group being scrutinized. That doesn't justify, excuse, or exempt what went on. The fact that Lois Lerner has plead the 5th says she has something to hide. The fact that the IRS illegally destroyed emails and the hard drive proves they have something to hide. No to mention Obama saying "not a smidgeon of corruption" when the man can't open his mouth without lying makes it 3 strikes.

    Repeat after me Ms. Sally Kohn....There is a scandal. A big one. A whole lot. Very much a scandal. ABSOLUTELY!!!
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    Yes... Because anyone that exercises their Fifth Amendment right is automatically guilty. That's why we have a right to remain silent. So that we can know that the people who use it totally did what they are accused of. And we should remember this if ever called to jury duty. If they exercise their constitutional rights, they're guilty.
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    Name more than 1 conservative group targeted....

    Fact is, the people who said those numbers are slanted too...

    I am eager to see the real list of actual victims.
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    @Saving_USA You misinterpret the 5th Amendment. It does not give you the right to remain silent. It says, "[no person] shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself". One might argue that a Congressional hearing is not a criminal case. One might also argue that one may be compelled to witness in his favor. Therefore, if a person refuses to testify, it can be logically deduced that if they spoke, it would be "against himself".
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    On the first run through 87% of the targeted groups were conservative, 17% were liberal. After giving them a quick once over, 100% of the groups determined to need further review were conservative, ZERO were liberal. Gee, that doesn't sound at all political.
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    This article shows a complete lack of logical reasoning. First, one example of a progressive organization that received extra scrutiny does not disprove the claim that the IRS unfairly targetted conservative groups. Second, if the IRS targetted *any* group because their name contained a keyword, that's a problem -- non-profit, tax exempt status should have nothing to do with a group's name, but rather their mission and funding source! Third, I'm sorry, but no --*a* hard drive might crash, but when not only the hard drive of someone who is the target of an investigation has failed, but also the hard drive of several other employees who e-mailed this person, that starts to bend the limits of credibility. Modern hardware has pretty good reliability, and often gives plenty of warning before failing completely (Google "S.M.A.R.T."). Fourth, can you say, "Back-ups?" If I, as a system administrator, was unable to provide documentation to the IRS when required to do so, I'd be both unemployed and unemployable. Those e-mails were stored on a server before being downloaded by the recipients and if the e-mail server was either an IMAP or MAPI server (for example, an Exchange server -- which is highly likely), then those e-mails were stored on the server even after being downloaded. I might believe that individual PC's weren't backed up, but I don't believe for a second that the e-mail *servers* weren't backed up. Consequently, if those e-mails are completely, irrevocably gone, it took a deliberate effort for that to happen.
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    typical that we cannot know the name of this mystery group. Let's say this partisan doofus is honest and give her the benefit of the doubt. Just another hundred or so similar cases.(a few of which did not actually violate the law by not filing) and her point is valid.

    Should we wait while she tabulates?
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    So much ado about nothing? So that means there was nothing to see on all the massing E -mails that got blitzed on multiple computers and servers. Well sh--t happens and it also stinks. is it possible that all the so called progressive groups scrutinized by the IRS were set-up to do just that. Remember "ACORN" which was disbanded after getting caught on Candid Camera' giving licentious advice to a posed couple? They also had the similar 'how to do fraud' advice from other offices of ACORN. ACORN now is under other covers and still getting my tax money.
  • #122
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    Another liberal news story blowing blue smoke. When you can't document the story, don't print it. Twist the facts and divert, the main liberal mechanism to confuse the public. Wake up America, the government and media lies to you!
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    From what I recall of the news, was that the inspector General looked at both sides to see if it was happening. He found more conservative groups than progressives. I believed that the inspector was unbiased. Just doing an objective job of looking at what was happening.

    And why does someone take the fifth with nothing to hide? I agree that there probably are back ups to the e-mails. And if not, they went to a lot of work to destroy the back ups. On taxpayers dollars at that.
  • #129
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    Anytime there is missing documents (ie: emails) and people are pleading the fifth...there is something being hidden and not right...
  • #51
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    Here's a piece your should read, Ms Kohn--

    "What exactly is it about socialism that attracts such illogical, undying, uncritical, and blind devotion—even in the face of overwhelming evidence this theory is utterly flawed? Or, is there some universal rule which dictates that intellectuals, Hollywood players and so-called journalists must be liberal, socialist, Marxist or communists?

    And, why does America create such waves of revulsion in these same liberals? Finally, why must these progressives do everything in their powers to obscure the agenda and acts of other Marxists, even those in high office harming the traditional interests of the US?

    In the absence of a better theory, one must deduct that in many important ways, leftism acts like a godless pseudo-religion, or cult. For it seems to have all of the burdens of a religious worldview, without any of the benefits. Most alarmingly, Marxism has been the single most destructive set of beliefs in world history.

    America staggers from one contrived disaster to another, as Barack—god of chaos—cackles up his sleeve while pretending to be an icon of rectitude, restraint and moral probity. Meanwhile, the stable of mainstream journalists cheer as if Obama just cured cancer. The list of president-made debacles swells daily. Today it’s the sea of illegals surging across domestic borders, quickly whisked into the country, whereas overseas we’re informed the world’s first terror-state is being implemented between Iraq and Syria. Yesterday, it was the trading of 5 Taliban generals for an army deserter. Tomorrow it could be any number of currently unfathomable decisions by Barack, knowing full well the GOP does not have the stones to impeach him." <Quoted in part from the following URL>

    Continued here--
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...

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    @AceLuby

    "BS" (barry soetoro)....Are you serious!?

    Attached is a list of maleficence and laws he has broken. First, we must obtain an appointment of a special prosecutor to enhance the charges before congress. The AG is as culpable as his boss when he ignores the requests of congress to appoint a S.P to investigate the number of scandals that have occurred on Pinocchio's and Holders watch! As the article points out in the URL in my last post; "The Congress hasn't the stones for it!

    https://www.committeeforjustice.org/content/2...

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/252-documen...
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    @AceLuby Dereliction of duty is pretty serious. Besides he broke his own laws regarding health care. 1st everyone was to comply with mandates or penalties or else. Then the unions squealed and their mandate was postponed. Then his loyal donors' companies were exempt. This guy is a con man of the first order.
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    Just insert the word conservative at every place 'Liberal" is used in the article.....and it would have the same merit.

    ...the last sentence is accurate, however.........flailing nutsacs who see the Bogeyman in every shadow who misidentify themselves as "conservatives" do not have any stones whatsoever.
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    I worked at IRS 33 tears, my wife for 35. (1) we've NEVER were told to print out emails, (2) Email servers crashed almost weekly. Ihad to keep mine on an external hard drive. Both of us reached high level management positions in HQ, and the tech incompetence is legendary.
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    Well you're not going to get many vote ups with that story ... what they really wanna hear is that the server almost never crashed ... unless they wanted to cover up something!
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