• #1
    This whole globalization crap is great for the corporations...but...terrible for the average citizens... we need to penalize US firms for shipping jobs over high tariffs on foreign goods
  • #8
    The whole idea behind globalization is to no longer be a nation, to no longer take one's country into consideration, to be individual at all costs. Welcome to the New World Order. They said it was coming and we didn't listen.
  • #24
    Yeah, a trade war will really help us out. No, what needs to be done is get gument out of it. No more subsidized companies. Read what leo said. He doesn't want any favors, he wants American steel to compete with foreign steel WITHOUT the subsidies that foreign companies get from their socialist/communist guments. Now if that means tariffs for the subsidized products, then lets talk about it, but this thing about globalization being bad is a bunch of tripe. Let every industry compete....without duh gument involvement. Then the cream will rise to the top.
  • #28
    Since foreign companies...are subsidizing their companies.....tariffs are needed...btw....many companies are subsidized in America...some of the biggest including...big oil...Not to mention Bush nationalizing the banks and the auto industry....but...I was against all of that...were you?
  • #46
    Yea we need to penalize US business with higher taxes and more regulation.

    Yea we'll teach 'em...No more profit for the evil corporations that keep Americans working.

    ...And when they go bankrupt or are bought out by foreign investors we say too bad so sad and we all can go on unemployment to boost the economy like Pelosi said.

    Brilliant idea!
  • #59
    How would tariffs on foreign companies...hurt the US?..I mean if we can get foreign governmenst not to subsidize their steel industry that would work was pointed out in the article...."Tariffs were placed on China's Oil Country Tubular Goods to offset the value of the illegal subsidies."....they already have done it before...and it worked
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  • #75
    While America and Europe are bitching about civil rights for this or that minority and ignore the social, economic and political rights of the many and while both are equally busy dismantling their industry Asia is experiencing a boom. This boom is of our making: the energy had to go somewhere. We, the West, are committing suicide.
  • #81
    Yep - and "Climate Change" regulations is just the ticket to put the nail in the coffin.
    Lets live in a cave eating roots to save the environment while the rest of the world laughs
  • #160
    I wouldn't say suicide. China has risen as the world's second economic power. They apparently know that you can conquer countries by building public works projects for them or offering their slave labor, instead of invading them with armies and weapons of mass destruction. I would recommend that our grammar schools start teaching all the Chinese dialects as soon as possible, so they can inform their parents which work camp to report to each day.
  • #205
    @wonderingif - China's labor rate has risen significantly this is why company's are starting to bring back business, increased labor cost, shipping/time, and more automation. Until China stops burning coal there's no reason to even think about starting.
  • #63
    I was a third-generation Steelworker and was laid off permanently in 1983. They literally put the mill on a slow boat to China, selling the furnaces to them. The USW did nothing to help us. When closure happened, the union contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on. They reneged on the pension, retirees only getting a fraction. They reneged on 2 years guaranteed health coverage for retirees, as well. Putting several thousand elderly retirees and their spouses completely with out health care. Men killed themselves over it. Many lost everything they had, including their homes. The government just kept saying go back to school. But many of these men and women never really did fit into another job. If you've set cores or poured steel all your life, you're not really suited for anything else. A 20-year steelworker is simply not going to mentally adapt to running a cash register at a fast food place. I didn't have 20, but I tried fast food and I simply couldn't adapt. I didn't fit into anything else. I went from a strong, proud Steelworker to a shattered, humiliated man with no confidence in myself. And I couldn't stand sitting in a classroom. I'd get claustrophobic in crowded classrooms. As a result of this American horror story, I have lived in poverty ever since. I've had nothing you could call a life. I went from one dead-end low-paying job to another. I still own nothing. I live a lonely, unhappy life as a shut-in with health problems and nothing to my name. We are the forgotten Americans.
  • #64
    Try taking classes online. No sitting in any classroom or indoors at all. Because those steel jobs are not coming back. Not when they can take that plant to some third world hell hole and run it there with people who will work for far less and have the additional advantage of not having any where near as many costly regulations to follow.
  • #71
    @Tina um... which '3rd world hell hole' are you talking about? i don't know about 'third world' countries, but brasil was ordered to clean up their steel industry or shut it down and move it out of the country. they opted for cleaning it up. after less than two years from the outset of the improvements they were all producing a higher grade of steel than at any other time in history for less... without polluting the air or the water. what happened then was truly amazing. other countries, including the u.s, canada, and some european countries began shipping their raw materials to brasil and buying it back in the form of much higher grade of steel products than they can produce themselves and for a lower price.

    rather than sitting around whining now the steel workers are living better, healthier and more affluent lives than they ever thought possible. american steel workers could have done so, also if conservative business owners could get up off of their profit at any price business policies.
  • #78
    @dances-weebles -
    > Conservative business owners could get up off of their profit at any price business policies.
    That would require stockholders that don't care about a profit as well, can't blame a business from trying to squeeze out every dime of profit they can, they have to or they won't survive.
    That's like blaming the corporations or the rich from taxing every tax loophole they can, do YOU pay more taxes then you have too? Ah skip that real-estate deduction this year maybe? No, they why do people expect them to?
  • #91
    The Union acted no differently than BIG Business. Contracts have been shown to worthless........the CEO just runs away with the money and then refuses to honor pensions, anything. I've worked in the Precision Sheet Metal Industry for almost 40 years, and I've seen the decline you described.......not to mention the corrupt, vile Industry CEOs killed off wages by hiring thousands of illegals to run the equipment and machines for the last 20 years. We have one remaining large-scale Steel Plant in Antioch CA.,........and guess what kind of steel is coming in on rail cars? South Korean steel.........and that has been the case since South Korea bought that U.S. Steel plant about 10 years ago or more........
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  • #47
    Yea, that's what happened to the US steel industry...USW leeches had nothing to do with it.

    What a bunch of bullshit. Unions and liberal government are the biggest threat to American jobs.

    You wanna level the playing field Leo? Take your union overseas and strangle the foreign steel industry like you did here
  • #96
    Easy to tell you've never worked in a trade in your life. Keep ranting.....
    The decline of American Middle Class wage and iving conditions, 1980-present EXACTLY coincides with BIG Business's war and their ongoing destruction of Unions in America.
    Their aim is to ensure American workkers have ZERO representation and cannot even organize to have a say in their own livelihood and value to an organization. Pure, unfettered Fascism. The two lines descend together, median income and % of union workers in the private sector. Unions BUILT America's Middle Class Standard of Living and wage structure. What an utterly foolish, utterly uneducated an utter buffoon. And no, I do not belong to any Union.
  • #184
    That's it blame the Union for all the problems. There is Unions overseas but i am sure you church goin conservatives would rather own guns and stop abortions than than see what the real problems are.
  • #191
    @BruceAFLCIO ...Hello my friend. Happy Fourth...Oooppss. Sorry...I forgot. You liberals don't celebrate 4th of July 'cause yer all communists and fireworks release greenhouse gas that pollutes the air and destroys the ozone layer.

    Well anyway...Have fun at yer next flag burning party.

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  • #172
    Unfit2serve - And it 'ain't just steel. Obama got tough on tires a few years ago, but it's an uphill battle with the GOP, and big money U.S. investors who back these foreign companies. Can you say Mitt Romney? Bain Capital? To name just one.
  • #201
    @eyesonu You need to understand multi-national companies. If that is your problem, ham string the American Corporations some more, you younger guys will have to live with it.

    You can also pass laws that people are not free to invest in foreign companies, you Liberals seem to be dying to go full Socialists.
  • #202
    Younger guys? I'm 59. Liberal? 30 years voting GOP, actively working in the Party that entire time, until 2002.

    Hardly. The biggest criminals in America our our multi-nationals........buying our entire political system, offshoring jobs, and stuffing their immense profits offshore so they can continue to get the corporate welfare from all of us taxpayers. I understand multi's just fine.
  • #208
    If two products are on the shelf, one being American made and one being Chinese made, the public bought the cheaper one many times, and the profit level was higher on the foreign product.

    The small businesses long before Wal-Mart and K-mart perpetrated this fraud on the public for years. It wasn't until they got hurt that they bitched.

    I don't know of ANYONE that imported cheap crap from China until the Internet many decades later. Many of these companies are now pissed that we can now cut them out and buy direct. Unions are dead artificially high labor costs and we all know it. The only use for unions is Progressives buy votes there with my taxpayer money, but many union members are smarting up.
  • #221
    @Curmudgeon I am not a 'younger guy', and I can guarantee you that I know more, and have probably forgotten more, about international trade than you know.

    Bring it on. I'll debate your ass into oblivion. I've dealt with multinational companies all of my career, and have even represented a few. I've facilitated the deals. I know EXACTLY what's going on.
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  • #6
    Guess the Steel unions didn't learn their lesson of the 1970's now did they? Ask the folks of Pittsburgh.

    There are still die hard Union Democrats in that area who think the steel factories are coming back.
  • #11
    @drpeeper No one is saying that the union is causing any of these problems. Read Longhi's testimony. He says he is honored to be testifying on this issue with USW President Leo Gerard.
  • #12
    @drpeeper I was recently in Pittsburgh and was surprised to see 1 of the dozens of steel mills still in operation.The flower shops and strip malls sure looked nice tho.None of them were unionized so they should be there a long time to come.
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  • #89
    Kind of an ignorant statement. The Unions have zero to do with the ILLEGAL dumping of below-cost Asian steel onto the global market.
  • #53
    the whole ball game has been turned against the American citizen. just about all in office are the same as those corps who off shore and the ones who import labor.
  • #42
    Ok for once I agree with a Leo Gerard op-ed. And I agree with it fully. I have said that our trade agreements with China ( not just china we can include Nafta, Cafta and others too ) are not equitable. they lack oversight to enforce adherence to fair play.
    Rules that would be in place in the USA regarding workplace safety, child labor, pollution and other standards that that are overseen by a multitude of groups like the epa, osha, labor commissions and many other entities .. China can throw all that to the wind and do what they want. Definitely we need a rewrite on trade agreements.
  • #2
    People on here I'm sure will kick down and beat up globalism and advocate for nationalistic protectionist policy of high tariffs and penalizing American companies who relocate jobs.
    Yet globalism is the largest economic force for peace in the world.
    When economies are interconnected throughout the world nations are less likely to war with each other over dear of economic collapse. Yet if you nationalize and become self-sufficient you have much less incentive to try and keep peace with foreign nations. Which is bad.
  • #13
    Losing your job to a 15-year-old Indian boy who is paid less than a pittance and works in a highly-polluting steel mill without safety equipment or training is bad too.
  • #226
    @bwstack Ever hear of a straw man?
    It is hard to judge what is necessary for mere survival elsewhere especially when we cannot really comprehend the extreme poverty that many in the world suffer from.
  • #227
    @fraps Right. A 15-year-old working in dangerous conditions for "mere survival" wages is exactly what Americans are willing to give up their middle class jobs for.
  • #228
    @bwstack It is not a question of Americans giving up their jobs intentionally. Think of what happened to all the farmers in the last century, or even candle makers. My father worked in the textile industry in R.I. during the 50's as the industry started to move south and oversees. The cost of producing the factories products become prohibitive compared to the other places.
    That is a never ending process. The problem this country faces is one of its own doing. We led the world in educating our young when I was a kid, 60+ years ago. Today we are sinking like a stone compared to the rest of the industrialized world. Also we were one of the really free capitalistic economies then. Today we are also sinking like a stone compared to other countries.
    There is a great book, "Why Nations Fail..." by a Harvard Professor and an MIT Professor.
    Read it and see why we are doomed unless we miraculously change course quickly.
    Our problems have nothing to do with anybody but ourselves.
  • #229
    @fraps You are just wrong. The CEO of U.S. Steel says that the American steel industry is the most efficient in the world. That includes paying members of the United Steelworkers union decent, family supporting wages. The reason American steel prices are higher than imports from places like China and South Korea is that those countries illegally subsidize their steel industries. The USW just won its trade case on OCTG imported from a half dozen countries because those nations engage in illegal subsidization.
    The problem with the trade process in the United States is that before relief is granted, harm must be shown. So workers must lose their jobs, mills must close. Then "relief" in the form of tariffs is granted -- often when it is too late for U.S. industry because it has been bankrupted by banned practices in foreign countries.
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  • #182
    We're giving away the farm to these countries. When are we going to wake up and take charge? Oh wait…the unions have bled the industry dry and the out-of-control Feds have made it so American companies cannot afford to produce products.. Never mind.
  • #85
    The one glaring omission in this is the effect that the USW has on their own industry. Then combine that with Government regulation and the US will always be at a disadvantage.
    This is typical of not just the steel industry but most industry in the US.
  • #76
    As someone who grew up Pittsburgh at a time when the steel industry was going bellyup I got to say that this shit really pisses me off.
  • #93
    A lot of room actually. My dad, all of my uncles on both sides and both of my grandfathers worked in the steel industry and they were all union men as well but even most of them placed blame on the unions as the industry was tanking.
  • #97
    @TheJimmy - I don't know where your from obviously, but this is why I'm watching the Chicago Mayor race in regards to a "Karen Lewis" run, I think she "thinks" she has it in the bag if she runs due to the union vote but I know a heck of a lot of Chicago Teachers that wouldn't vote for her ;)
    If she was elected the real estate taxes in Chicago would double as fast as legally possible, retire with full pay and full medical costs at 55 just isn't reality anywhere else but Chicago/IL.
  • #55
    We can see it's a difficult tradeoff for the sake of world peace, the erasing of borders thanks to globalization. Perhaps we can compete in other ways, but illegal trading and dumping should be punished. Where is the president and Congress on this matter? Didn't unions help put them in office?
  • #224
    What about the concept of a willing buyer and a willing seller being able to do as they agree. What right does anyone else have to interfere?
    I wonder what you call illegal trading. How does one person or country decide what is an illegal trade if that trade is done willingly by both parties and the products themselves are legal to be traded, like steel, coal, etc.
  • #36
    A government of the people but I have to question if they know just which people they should be responsible to. this type of crap should never have to be brought to their attention by outside sources. It is their responsibility to know this up front and protect against abuse so why don't they?
  • #21
    As much as I don't like this guy, he may be right. There's no way an unsubsidized company can compete with a subsidized company. When duh gument props up a company with tax payer money, it allows them to sale products a lot cheaper than the company that it does not prop up. Unions have nothing to do with it. Take out state welfare payments and even the unionized steel companies of America will win.
  • #225
    What about all the companies we subsidize. Our Export Import Bank and Crony Crapitalism give giant subsidies to favored businesses.
  • #223
    The Export-Import Bank is the USA's way of subsidising our companies.
    Crony Capitalism as practiced by our government is another way the USA subsidises some of our companies that have political pull.
    Ever hear the saying what is good for the goose is good for the gander?
    Seems like Gerard should start by trying to get his house clean before crying about someone elses house not being as he would like it.
  • #219
    If Gerard spent less time with his nose up Obama's backside, less time in politics he shouldn't be involved with, he'd likely had time to have dealt with this issue in 2012.

    Instead he was busy insuring Obama got a second term. If he can't appeal to the one he's loved, wtf would he expect Joe Citizen to do ?

    Spend less time writing hard left op-eds and pissing hard working Americans off and focus on your job Leo.
  • #193
    Your union United Steelworkers (USW) and the US government that has attempted to save your union, are the problem and have been for decades. It's amazing that there is still a steel industry in the USA. There are already tariffs on Chinese steel and your union still wants more protection.
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