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  • #11
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    Boy I just love what obamacare has done to my premiums!!! Going from $250 a month to we'll over $500 is so awsome, and I'm not even a Republican!!!

    (The satire in my response should explain itself!)
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    @TigerLandSC Mine was $10,000 before ObamaCare ... lol ... and it's not any better ... and only expected to go up =)

    Man that must be some good weed these fools were smoking when they conducted this so called survey ... rotflmao!
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    Most people that switched* to Geico saved money on their car insurance.

    * of course they saved money, otherwise they wouldn't have switched.
  • #76
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    Lol! I see what you did there!

    Your saying that people would not have bought into Obama care if they did not realize any benefit from it. That would be especially true for the 65% of those polled that recieved subsidies to pay their monthly premiums.
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    @pdean6969: Exactly! Most people who enrolled in the plan would see a benefit compared to alternatives. Otherwise the people who don't see the value or not satisfied with coverage or premiums wouldn't have enrolled.

    I bet you I would get some pretty surprising results if I polled licensed concealed hand gun owners on their opinion of "gun control laws". I bet I would get a majority of licensed Democrats that think our gun laws are appropriate or need to be less restrictive.
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    @N0rthman
    There are NEWLY INSURED people. As in, they had no insurance plan at all prior to Obamacare.
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    The story sounded contradictory - did the health plans bought/signed up for include Medicaid or not? Paid for or signed up for? Are you sure you mean Medicaid and not Medicare? I didn't know any Republicans qualified for *Medicaid*:)
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    These are people that have plans. You have to pay for a plan to have it. The 'is it paid for?' meme is a few months too late.
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    To spout a point of view from a social-democratic nation with an operating universal tax-funded healthcare system (to which we pay no deductibles, etc): The ACA is not any good. The left abandoned what they should have pushed for, a single-payer system with a public option, with the option to opt out at own risk.

    Then again, we didn't hear a better option from the right. So both sides are equally guilty.
  • #125
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    @CanadianIndy

    I for one appreciate your input and wish others under a single payer system would comment as well.

    Way to man on our side of the border are terrified of "that thar sosha lizzum stuff!", even when it might save their life.
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    But I know people in Canada which also give the bad side of it...waiting almost a year for some surgeries...long waits due to lack of doctors...higher taxes to pay for the non-deductible system...there is good and bad on a single-payer program.
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    @jaybebo84
    True. Those are all problems. But most of those can be attributed to the core reason you stated, which is a general lack of doctors. That is a problem with the education system, not the healthcare system.
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    @CanadianIndy

    I would believe it would be the lack of interest in the occupation due time spent in school and residency compared to income. Could be a combination of both...
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    @jaybebo84

    It's possible. I can't speak for the case in the US, but here in Canada it's a general sense of apathy. People don't want to study hard in school anymore unless they're immigrants or foreign students who can't freaking drive. But anyways, most students here are going into the business, management or customer service industries.

    It isn't just doctors either. We have a major nurse shortage where I'm from and it's because it's regarded as a 'profession for women.' This immediately discounts just about all men and corners women into a profession that not all of them are interested in. Ergo: They choose to just get lower level schooling or have kids instead.

    I could go on and on about the lack of dreams in the current and upcoming generations of workers and students, but that'll just devolve into a rant about how we need to fund NASA. Which is a discussion for another time.
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    Love the Obamacare isn't nearly as rough on the country as Republicans swore it would be. Sucks for them - they were hoping that people would be dying in the streets. Republicans are always party over country, even if that means it comes at the expense of American lives.
  • #100
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    Well if ACA is sooooooooo great, then why did Obama delay the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections?

    If it is so great...don't you think he and the Dems would want to fast track implementation?
  • #104
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    @JackinVienna Nope, major change is something that needs to be done at the right pace, even if that means diverting when required. The timing is part of why it has been sucessful, actually.
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    @Now_What

    "they were hoping that people would be dying in the streets. "

    But they are,, however it's primarily in red states that refused to expand Medicaid.
  • #135
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    No wonder a book on how to get around it is a national best seller... Don't put too much faith in the lap dog media there fanboy.
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    @Yellowjacket61 Ooh a book? Oh wow!! Lol... Conservatives are the biggest sheep there are, if they print it, they will buy it...:). Sorry that America isn't failing and people aren't dying, I know that hurts. America wins and conservatives lose...
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    Clearly, the Republican Party is being run by 15% of their electorate..........

    ACA Rules:
    If you are single and make more than $44,999 per year, or a couple making more than $93,000 per year, and your employer prevously offered only 1 or 2 Health Care Plan choices, it's likely that your EMPLOYER-PROVIDED Health-Care employee premiums increased.

    Of course, many, many employers who were previously providing health care coverage for their employees, who were subsidizing a % of the total per-employee cost (typically 40%- 60%) took the opportunity to blame the ACA in order to increase their employee's monthly premiums and reduce the company's portion of the total costs.....
    Employers had been increasing employee costs every 2-3 years before the ACA was implemented.....nothing has really changed.

    It's a mystery why anyone ever thought that deciding to include previously un-covered poor folks by subsidizing their costs across the system wouldn't increase costs on those Americans who make more than what the plan allows subsidies for.

    It's far past time to stop the heinous practice of allowing a private businesses with the sole motive to maximize profits deliver Health Care to Americans. Health Care should never have been permitted to be delivered as a for-profit "business"........be cause it constitutes a monopoly, with a captive market that can't choose "not to buy" when the alternative is death.

    All businesses ultimate goal is to profit and find ways to avoid incurring cost (i.e., delivering care). Profit and Health Care are directly opposed business goals.

    In any Capitalistic business model, profits and shareholder dividends inevitably come first and are served regardless of the expense or detriment to customers.

    For-profit Health Care is the same as permitting humans to breathe only if they pay for the privilege.
  • #176
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    @Denizen_Kate
    Well, thanks, but I reahed the point of being tired of reading my own long posts on the topics, and blabbing all over this site. I join those here who probably think I need to STFU.
    Time to take a break- give it a rest, etc.......We have pleanty of folks here that opine. I'm burnt out and saying the same crap over and over........gotta take a couple days and turn my OCD towards music, fishing...something else.

    Thanks again for kind words.
    One more day of work...TGIF!
  • #179
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    @Unfit2serve - I hear you. I'm a little weary of the same old arguments myself. It's like beating your head against a wall . . . feels good when you stop. :-)
  • #67
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    I knew the were blowing smoke. Some folks are angry that the President they hate the most name will always be attached to the ACA aka Obamacare. This will open the door for Universal Health Care as civilized countries already have
  • #66
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    Not all that vague...

    Overall, 73 percent of people who bought health plans and 87 percent of those who signed up for Medicaid said they were somewhat or very satisfied with their new health insurance. Seventy-four percent of newly insured Republicans liked their plans. Even 77 percent of people who had insurance before — including members of the much-publicized group whose plans got canceled last year — were happy with their new coverage.

    The survey also found that a majority of people are using their new insurance. The survey found that 60 percent of the newly insured had gone to a doctor or a hospital or filled a prescription with their new plan. Of those, more than 60 percent said they wouldn’t have been able to afford the care without their new coverage.

    It’s also early to know whether this happiness will last. You might expect the first people to sign up for a new program to be those most enthusiastic about its prospects to improve their life. But with widespread coverage of complaints about high costs and limited networks of doctors, the new study suggests that, among the early adopters, at least, the benefits of coverage outweigh the problems.

    There is reason to think that the good feelings may linger. Americans may complain about the details of their health insurance, but they are generally happy with it once they have it. An Associated Press poll in January found that 73 percent of all Americans with insurance before the rollout of the law were satisfied.
  • #71
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    Thanks for clarifying. I meant the Politix story is vague. I haven't really viewed any of the polls or studies. The whole ACA is going to be a bouncy ball for this decade.
  • #134
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    @Cincinnatus 74% of 15 republicans liked their plan. Don't know how you can get better than that.
  • #249
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    My premium per month went from $170.00 in 2013 to $310.00 in 2014. I have already received my notice that my premium would be increasing again in 2015. I am told to expect my premium to increase to $504.00 per month in 2015. My co-pays tripled in 2014, my deductible for major medical doubled, my out of pocket max per year increased 500%, and I lost all the doctors in my area as they are not in my provider network any longer. I also lost a number of wellness benefits that were on my old policy, some of my prescribed meds are no longer covered and my insurance carrier is now delaying payments on covered procedures and my doctor & the local hospital have sent my bills to collection agencies who are now threatening me with legal action because my insurance carrier is "reviewing" the billing and will not pay off right now.
    Yes I certainly have a lot to be happy about. I love my new insurance policy...
  • #220
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    Pretty interesting if you look into who leads the Commonwealth Fund (the people conducting the poll). Odd how the organizations president is one of the louder advocates of a single payer health care system and how its board is a whose who of people pushing for socialized medicine.

    A little more googling and it looks like the Commonwealth Fund has a history of pretty skewed "polls". EIther way a volunteer based study made up solely of phone interviews probably isnt the most scientific study to base national policy off of.
  • #151
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    I may be skeptical, but I do not believe much more than one word of it. While "out and about" a couple of weeks ago I asked 13 people what they thought of their plan. After they realised that I was not trying to sell them anything, they all (100%) said they hated it. Especially having to shange doctors.
  • #163
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    Think the right can tell you more about that word than the left with their persistent drilling of Obamacare, Benghazi and Obama himself.
  • #257
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    @Thinkpeople And in no time did democratic propaganda during those 8 years was there a serious consideration for presidential impeachment or a government shutdown twice (if you count the debt ceiling talk which was averted).

    Try again.
  • #42
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    I'm not surprised, and sadly, the GOP is not surprised either.

    The difference being that I'm happy about it and they're all pissed off.

    And for the dismissive types, "The Commonwealth Fund is a private nonpartisan foundation that supports independent research on health and social issues" and not some leftist cabal out to destroy our way of life.
  • #39
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    There's a reason we haven't seen any more repeal votes: the ACA is working - except in states with Republican governors who refused to expand Medicaid.
  • #63
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    "except in states with Republican governors who refused to expand Medicaid."

    Bet that changes before 2016 elections.
  • #79
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    And at least half of those States will see voter turnout that expresses that GOP leadership mistake in our poorest States in America.......quickly followed by very, very quiet "we had to make a middle of the night, secret hush-hush GOP decision to avert a "crisis" announcements, the day after the Mid-Terms.........as those States accept all that Fed Medicaid $$$ before any more rural and small-town hospitals shut down........It's amazing what Republicans will agree to after the election.
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    Or states with Republican controlled houses such as here in VA :( although our Dem. governor has vowed to expand it anyway, somehow...
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    I believe it, not saying it's a good thing. Many republicans in the past opposed Medicare-medicade creation then later expansion but then after they were implemented for awhile they grew accustomed and began to like them.(no matter if they were straining the governments budget or not.)
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