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    I agree. This is another situation where government "management" has become "over management", and now they've created an issue where there was none before. But they sure have spent plenty of money and man hours.
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    The 1990-91 GAO study proved that the millions of cattle on public lands destroy the range and riparian areas and that the few thousand wild horses do NOT. In fact wild horses are symbiotic to the ecosystem. Welfare ranchers only pay $1.35 a month for a cow and calf to graze and this program is costing tax payers a half billion to a billion a year to subsidize. The over-grazing by livestock is causing the desertification of the West. also. Leave our wild horses alone .
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    A national call for immediate provision of shelter for horses in holding has reached momentum. The plight of mustangs is dire, in the horse mills called BLM long/short term holding facilities, and out on the range under brutally relentless aircraft chasing animals into exhaustion and frozen fear. The call for change is loud and clear; Americans will not stand by and witness the continuing abuse and cruelty while those in charge remain passive by choice. Decades of mismanagement to cave into the cattle muscle bearing monopoly are a contributing factor to the shrill outcry by some in the advocacy. When horses continue to die, suffer and remain trapped in a propaganda oriented mindset, is it a wonder? The public has not only offered input, help and ideas how to improve this mess. The public has been pushed aside with clever PR stunts and constant pacifying statements in hopes we go away. A thorn in the side of those who use any twist to justify their own callous or cruel actions, the advocacy has successfully shed light onto the inhumane standards which call for national reform. The tunnel vision of those who state helicopter touching horses is justified because these horses are “wild” reflects the bigger mentality under which the wild horses have been doomed. A lack of education in the general public adds to the national crisis. The current state of affairs is a product of secretive decade-long corruption, monopolized by special agendas and greed, with leadership appeasing the outraged public with yet more shield off comments. Mocking the efforts of advocates calling for increased welfare and higher standards in a time of national scandals dooming over the agency, is a tool used by those whose superlative domains and influence are threatened. No horse responds acceptingly to being touched by a helicopter, whether it is domesticated or wild. Yet this is exactly the absurdity on which this battle is raging. An agency, aligned with profit driven agendas, using any and all twists in hopes to alleviate national outrage on their current highly flawed methods. Horses suffer, period. Horses are not treated with the respect and care that would reflect the ironic non-existent “reform and transparency” of those who shout it coming.
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    A national call for immediate provision of shelter in holding and a halt to constant eviction of horses from the range has echoed for years. The plight of mustangs is dire, in the horse mills called BLM long/short term holding facilities, and out on the range under brutally relentless aircraft chasing animals into exhaustion and frozen fear. The call for change is loud and clear; Americans will not stand by and witness the continuing abuse and cruelty while those in charge remain passive by choice. Decades of mismanagement to cave into the cattle muscle bearing monopoly are a contributing factor to the shrill outcry by some in the advocacy. When horses continue to die, suffer and remain trapped in a propaganda oriented mindset, is it a wonder? The public has not only offered input, help and ideas how to improve this mess. The public has been pushed aside with clever PR stunts and constant pacifying statements in hopes we go away. The current state of affairs is a product of secretive decade-long corruption, monopolized by special agendas and greed, with leadership appeasing the outraged public with yet more shield off comments. An agency, aligned with profit driven agendas, using any and all twists in hopes to alleviate national outrage on their current highly flawed methods. Horses suffer, period. Horses are not treated with the respect and care that would reflect the ironic non-existent “reform and transparency” of those who shout it coming.
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    A national call for immediate provision of shelter for horses in holding and a halt to constant eviction of horses from the range has echoed for years. The plight of mustangs is dire, in the horse mills called BLM long/short term holding facilities, and out on the range under brutally relentless aircraft chasing animals into extinction. The call for change is loud and clear; Americans will not stand by and witness the continuing abuse and cruelty while those in charge remain passive by choice. Decades of mismanagement to cave into the cattle muscle bearing monopoly are the dilemma. When horses continue to die, suffer and remain trapped in a propaganda oriented mindset, is it a wonder? The public has not only offered input, help and ideas how to improve this mess. It has been pushed aside with clever PR stunts and constant pacifying statements. The current state of affairs is a product of secretive decade-long corruption, monopolized by special agendas and greed, with leadership appeasing the outraged public with yet more shield off comments. An agency, aligned with profit driven agendas, using any and all twists in hopes to alleviate national outrage on their current highly flawed methods. Horses suffer, period. Horses are not treated with the respect and care that would reflect the ironic non-existent “reform and transparency” of those who shout it coming.
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    My 3 minute input for the Board is to move forth by giving the public more roles to partake in shaping reform within the program.

    Stop the in transparent PR acts and apply true engagement with the public, not just pretentious replies in the face of public outcry or national criticism.

    The double standards are what is hampering progress, when people work hard to give input, come prepared but in truth are not welcomed to really leave ideas or make a difference. What a waste of resources that could be put to make real progress – if instead of manipulation (as ever), common sense would be applied!

    I am personally dismayed at the constant schemes to pacify the public. This is affecting all fronts in your program:

    horsesRound ups, census, inhumane treatment of corralled horses, true disclosure of fatalities/reasons thereof, care-taking or lack thereof, public relations, prioritizing of horses’ welfare on range or in holding or lack thereof, adoption efforts on national level or lack thereof, effective advertising or lack thereof, spending disclosure of holding costs or lack thereof, continuous carry out of biased, special interests agendas and accommodation thereof, and most of all:

    The obvious neglect in performing what was assigned to perform: protecting wild horses and burros, which is expected by the tax payers and thus to be done in a humane, sensible way, which is for the horses’ best interest. To continue round ups while pretending to care and work “with the public” is the same broken way, which is not left behind, as Ms. Guilfoyle so vehemently announced in Reno, but it is continued with the same shameful schemes to deceive and pacify the American public.
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    While your meetings of predisposed talk continue, so does the deterioration and mistreatment of our herds. Not due to drought and nature’s cull. But due to your lack of clearly reforming a program that has caused this mess and much grieve to Americans who have lost all trust and respect as none of the promises are delivered while you procrastinate the real issues at hand to improve professionally and ethically just.

    There are many qualified folks available, from the advocacy to professional sources such as independent vets, with whom you could build a truly impressive new direction to shape reform for wild horses and burros. The constant rapports with the cattle industry and money muscle of special interests who get special VIP to our public lands is the disease of BLM having led to the current disgraceful situation.

    The public is tired of the clever PR speeches, staged acts and betrayal to the horses. They suffer under current management – start involving the public by taking volunteerism that partakes in bringing improvement by really engaging and seeking input and help – since this source offers experts on all fronts, whilst current operations carried out by your staff are so very questionable and concerning. Instead of training more PR skills to pacify the increasingly concerned and outraged public, allocate these funds to reform as promised.

    Causing the wild equines to suffer is not an acceptable standard, but it is what is going on, due to your horrific round ups which must stop, and the horrific neglect in holding. To make holding a less haunting place by improving internal standards to the basic care-taking with an external and independent source to ensure quality control is a must. With so many animals penned in prison like confinement, there are many people who would assist; who care for these horses and would like to be part of their lives. It is up to you to allow this, and to remember these are America’s horses. Stop the excuses of “safety” and other notions to keep the public out and at bay, while your staff neglects horses’ needs – allow team work and cooperative efforts to bring improvement without applying dumb reasons to hinder progressive effect.
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    All government is susceptible to greed and corruption, however state and local governments especially so... if that is federal land, then it belongs to all of us, not just the cattle ranchers. I would rather see more horses roaming the plains and fewer cattle.
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    I agree the feds have a history of being inept but local and state governments are corrupt .

    This is why "less" government as far as states handling things does not work.

    Be it the Dems in New Orleans cleaning up the Bayou or the Reps in Florida with the Ever glades .

    In the end both states had to be sued by the feds in order to get them to clean up their mess.
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    @Placratotle Because us rednecks are a breed apart, higher than normal manhood. Laws are for lower orders, never will you see a true redneck obey with less than 5 or 6 (d-mn) yankees holding him down OR one "sweet young thing". Down here 1 "sweet young thing" equals at least a dozen d*mn yankees.
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    There are only 500 Wild Horses in NV. How long do you think it will take Harry Reid to have them killed off? A week?
    NV is run by Cattlemen, the Cattle already are allocate 89% of the forage on Public land.
    Utah Commissioner David Miller, has already threatened to take the law into his own hands, like his friend Bundy.
    The horses are being used as scapegoats in this Fed vs State game. The horses need their own dedicated Herd Management Areas, free of Cattle. These State, Power -Hungry politicians need to stay out of the Federal Management. They can't even take care of their own Counties.
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    Why do you think Reid would have them killed off? I think either party that tries to kill them off suck. Horses are intelligent and special. I would rather pay 10 cents more for beef than know the beef is cheaper because of horse killing. I am not an environmental person, but horses are not vermin. I think it is highly likely that the ranchers will kill off much of the horse herd through hunting or poison.
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    Stewart reaches the point of absurdity when claiming that wild horses have pushed cattle off public land - which cattle have no "right" to be on by the way ! Wild horses have been pushed into an ever smaller corner by encroaching cattle sheep and fracking operations, being allotted only 11% of the public land they roamed across freely in 1971. Congress declared wild horses at that time to have a natural right to exist on public land, on their native ranges. Cattle sheep and fracking don't have a natural right to exist on public land and are instead required to purchase that right through grazing fees (when they deign to pay them at all - Cliven Bundy didn't !). It is a wholesale mythology repeated parrotlike by Stewart that wild horses are overpopulating and need to be removed from public lands on which they have a natural and legal right to exist per the 1971 law. There are 12 million cattle and sheep who are the ones who have overgrazed and contaminated public land. There are only 50,000 wild horses by comparison and 60% of them can't be overgrazing since they are in BLM holding facilities. The costs to the taxpayer of keeping them there is the fault of welfare cattle ranchers who keep demanding the BLM round them up. They didn't cost the taxpayers a dime when they were left alone on their native ranges as law requires ! Of the 22,000 wild horses left on public land in all states, it is impossible as the BLM keeps asserting that their herd size doubles every year because half of all foals die in their first year. This tired old propaganda is simply the old technique of accusing someone else of what you yourself are guilty of - it is the cattle and sheep who are overpopulating and overgrazing, not wild horses ! I don't know of what relevance is the fact that Stewart is a Mormon B-1 bomber pilot have to the matter of counting cattle and sheep compared to wild horses. It should be a simple solution to a pilot to be able to figure out that 22,000 wild horses could not possible be using up the resources compared to 12 million cattle and sheep overgrazing public lands. That doesn't add up ! Let us hope this economically ruinous proposal misses its target and that wild horses and taxpayers don't become collateral damage to his ill-conceived war on wild horses !
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    Get the cattle and sheep off the land.It belongs to the horses and wildlife.
    All the western states want to do is round the equine up send them to slaughter or compost them on tribla land.
    Leave the horses alone and return the ones they have stolen from the American people to the lands that where given to them.
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    There are roughly ten times more livestock on public lands than wild horses. Yet the government spends vast sums of money to have them rounded up by helicopter and panicked into holding pens. Not all of them make it of course, particularly the foals. I wonder how many people are being overpaid by the government to round up horses that don't need rounding up, spend millions on holding them in pens, and knowingly allow kill buyers to buy them by the dozen and send them off to slaughter? The BLM has indeed mismanaged America's wild horses but Rep. Stewart's proposal will be a worse disaster. He proposes to allow states controlled by ranching interests to "manage" wild horses and burros. This will of course ensure that America's wild horses are wiped off the face of the Earth to make more room for cattle. There's an interesting sense of entitlement to that public land which actually belongs to all of America, not just ranchers. The numbers of cattle on public land should be significantly decreased. That is the most common sense answer rather than removing so many wild horses that their genetic diversity is endangered.
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    Can't we all ju' get along? Can't we let dem hoofers roam free, by reintroducing the missing wolves, and then let Nature and mountain lions and El Lobo manage and cull the herd?

    Wasn't this "rounding up a few wild horses" a bad Clark Gable and Marylin Monroe story (their last movie appearances) along with Eli Wallach and post-accident Montgomery Clift, and Thelma Ritter? It isn't a happy ending for the horsies who are heading for the glue factory and a few horsemeat steaks..........

    Fer you dandified young'uns who ain't got no clue as to who these people were......see "The Misfits"
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    If the state is going to run this, bad idea. The author is a guy who built a business on how to skirt the environmental laws while appearing to comply with them.
    If the First Nations are going to run this, I agree wholeheartedly.
    I'm also questioning how less than a thousand wild horses are a threat to thousands of cattle.
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    Some of the tribes are poor choices as they would slaughter horses for a quick buck, other tribes revere horses and treat them as an important part of the natural world. Much better to have wildlife advocates manage and care for our wild horses on their home ranges.
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    It could trigger the next stand-off. Once again, by the free-loading cattlemen. They have now figured they can use the horses as scape-goats,much like putting the women and children "out-front" in the Bundy stand-off. They'll never be up -front and come out and say, "we've already got 89% of the allocated forage for our bovine-vacuums and we WANT IT ALL! Cowards.
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    The last thing we need is to have the enemies of our wild horses allowed to manage them to extinction. A much better idea is to have wildlife advocates manage our wild horses on their own home ranges.
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    They are going to be gone if something is not put in place soon. The powers that be are going right ahead and doing the same things they have always done and getting away with it time after time.The states should not be allowed to take over the control of the Wild horse and Burro population. Its bad enough the way the BLM is handling it I can just see what a great job the states would do!!!! Give them the land allotted to them, let them run free like they were meant to do and leave them alone!!!!
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    It sounds like it transfers irresponsibility of no plan by the federal government to no particular plan by states and tribes, either. I see a processing facility by the French in the horizon.
  • #132
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    1) It's illegal to slaughter wild horses and 2) since the BLM gives some of them long-acting chemical birth control, this makes them toxic to eat. There is no way to know for sure which stallions or mares have received this, so none can be eaten.
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    @morgansinkc ~ it may be illegal but it happens all the time, and has been documented. They allow them to be bought (or "adopted"~ wink, wink) by known kill buyers, who then ship them off to Mexico or Canada for slaughter or further shipment to Europe. If horse slaughter houses are allowed to re-open in the U.S. as is being hotly debated, it would just happen locally. The BLM is a joke~ it's run by ranchers for ranchers.
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    Horse slaughter houses opening in the U.S. is not being hotly debated that I know of, Kantexmama, because of the FDA classifying horses as non-food companion animals and because the U.S. let its agreement with the European Union lapse in 2010 and it would probably not be renewed again due to the drugs and the absence of a tracking system in the U.S. horses.
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    leave them alone they have more rights on the land than humans do after all animals were put on earth long before man ever came along
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    Leave OUR wild horses & burros alone......get the damn welfare cattle/sheep & fracking OFF our public lands. Time for the taxpayers to have a major revolt about this.....we will stand for no more......BOYCOTT BEEF!!!
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    I disagree with this cough cough distinguished military man.
    Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah)
    ".....after a decorated military career " Which of course makes him a hero since he had no, nada, zip combat experience..... Republicans great patriots unless there is a combat, then it's hard to find them, my suggestion is to look under mommies skirt that's where most of them hide.
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    Lol I served one tour in Afghanistan as Army artillery but I don't find any vet who is not classified as a combat vet any "less" .

    If you served you served.

    Now war mongering draft dodging hypocrites like Limbaugh are another story.
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    @JoseinThrdWrld I served in Vietnam and the only time I saw any Republicans there was when we went to the rear. They were what we called lifers and juicers (drunks). Just on this site so far I have outed at least another dozen cowardly chickenhawk Republican politicians that either sought and got deferments, pulled some strings as Bush did, delayed going in until after the fighting was over, or didn't serve but said they did. And these were new members for the yellow belly brigade, not even on these lists, mostly newly hatched T'Billy's running for office for the first time.
    http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/
    http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/chickenha...
    http://www.friedwire.org/fried111904pussies.h...
    If you want to know what a chickenhawk is this is the definition I use. Or Google Cheney gene.
    Chickenhawk - n.- A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth........
    .....The alleged "gentlemen" listed in this database are here because they share three qualities: bellicosity (a warlike manner or temperament), public prominence, and a curious lack of wartime service when others their age had no trouble finding the fight.(Sorry, Dan and George W. and Dan Q.– your safe, cushy National Guard slots won't help you now.) The fact that they's almost all Republicans is ... well, curious, don't you think? No doubt this list is incomplete.

    You say you served.... fine, if you claim you are a Republican and claim combat service I would have to see your original DD214 before I would believe you. I have been fooled before but never again. I outed one guy in my home town that claimed to have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star with Combat V which he never got while serving in Japan. Yep he was a staunch Republican CON artist..........
    You may say it's not a big deal but I promised myself and my fellow Marines, the ones that didn't make it home or didn't make it home in one piece that I would never let these sleazy effing Republicans get away with what they did/didn't do back in Vietnam.
  • #247
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    Heh when the going gets tough Obama goes golfing. You talk about hide behind mommy's skirt, Obama hides behind his chosen audiences and makes campaign speeches blaming his failures on others. Real leaders don't do that.
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    @JohnVicky

    I was just arguing this "Consider that most Democrats consider military service something for others to perform; they themselves look down their noses as our military" with someone in another forum but Republicans do serve . They serve just like Democrats .

    "You say you served.... fine, if you claim you are a Republican and claim combat service I would have to see your original DD214 before I would believe you."

    And I would have to see yours but your wrong as far as I am not a Republican , lol.
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    America's wild horses and burros need no mis-management from our government. The BLM has proven to be a dismal disappointment in protecting our wild horses and burros, and any further attempts would only collide with the original intention of PROTECTING them, not managing them to extinction in the name of profit for welfare ranchers and those who would destroy our fragile eco-system with fracking. We need to ENFORCE the Wild Horse Protection Act of 1971 that President Nixon signed into law, NOT hand over the responsibility to each state. This bill is inappropriate and will surely be the demise of what little wild horses are left in our country. READ the NAS study, which indicates that the wild horse population will level off on it's own WITHOUT the help of man. Just leave them alone already!
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    Leave our wild horses & burros alone.....get the damn welfare cattle/sheep & fracking OFF our public lands. Time for taxpayers to have a major revolt about this....we will take no more....BOYCOTT BEEF!
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