• #20
    Education standards should be set by the States and Localities, not the Federal Government. Just this past year, at least two cousins of mine, both having school-age children are leaving NY and CT respectively. Common Core is a big part of why they are leaving (taxes and job opportunity being the other big reasons).
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  • #9
    It's no coincidence that US student performance began to tank globally precisely at the time the Federal Govt became more involved in education.
  • #27
    Involved by taking an Education System that was the envy of the world and "improving" it to the point that charter school (for profit or otherwise) were the only option for many student to receive an education.
  • #79
    @JackinVienna What policies are you specifically talking about and when were they implemented?

    From what I've seen, just as in the economy in general, we have the haves and have nots in education. Because there are more and more have nots, while at the same time pushing toward 'solutions' that benefit the haves even more, we get to a situation where we are now. We're at a point where few people are given great opportunities while others have to scrape their way to hopefully get something while not getting more than one chance if they screw up.

    But I could be wrong if you could point to policies that I'm just not seeing.
  • #33
    Common Core should not exist! Our school district is the number one school district in our state! They despise having this forced on them! It actually lowers the standards the school has gone by! Why try to fix something that was not broke? In our case far from it! The new math being implemented is messing up even the best math students! My daughter made her first B because of this change! She was in third grade last year and already doing algebra. Now she has to go backwards and learn this new math. What idiots thought this was a good idea? This may be ok for kids just starting school, but for advanced placement students like my daughter this is a problem. Stop, the way your doing math is wrong. You have to do it like this now. The advanced students and students in upper grades are going to be very affected. I'm having to order a teacher's manual to learn this in case my daughter needs help with her homework. She hasn't yet, but now she will. No parents are going to know this to help their kids learn!
  • #34
    is there a law against exceeding the Common Core guidelines? and, in case you didn't know, public education IS broken in this country. having the #1 school district in the state is not that much of an accomplishment; your distict may just be the best of the worst.
  • #161
    For people who have not experienced this "new math" it is a disaster. You were right it should have started from 1st grade that would have been much better as the teachers and the students could deal with this silly idea. Remember hexadecimal a while back? When that was all the rage? Bill Gates might like it because it pushed coding skills but it does nothing for the students.
  • #173
    No, our district is not broken. We pay a very high mil rate on our taxes to support our school and have never voted down a request for an increase. There is also major parental contribution and support most schools don't have. There are parents at the schools helping all the time! When considering the top spot they use more than the student's perfect test scores. They use drop out rates, graduation rates and college graduation rates. Except for the less than 1% drop out rate, All the others are at 98% & 99%! I don't know about the law, but my daughter was taking algebra in third grade last school year! When school starts she has to go back to the regular fourth grade math class because of Common Core! In advanced English she was already writing short stories and had done her first term paper. She is having to go back to the regular fourth grade English class because of Common Core! That's at 7-8 years old! She is the youngest child in her grade! She's not the only child being pulled back! All classes are taught at the AP level except those in special ed. I don't care what you say, that is going backwards!
  • #29
    Common Core needs to go but that isn't the only problem with our schools. We have school systems that pass some kids that do not need to be advancing to the next grade. Why? Two reasons: 1) parents throw a fit if little Johnny or Suzie needs to be held back. 2) Schools lose money because kids fail, thus they have an incentive to move them on even if they aren't ready. Another problem is "TENURE" and "UNIONS". We have teachers, and I use that word loosely, who don't give a "ISH" but yet nothing can be done because they've been there for years and tenure and the union protects them. If your not doing your job, you should be able to be fired.
  • #80
    Why do you think people don't like common core now? Because little Johnnie or Suzie didn't do so well and it can't possibly be because (s)he doesn't listen or do their homework or try to learn. Nope, it's got to be the tests fault or those damn unions. Can't blame the student at all. And you've fallen into it just as much by doing the same thing.
  • #132
    @AceLuby You really need to watch AceLuby's link. This is why common core SUCKS!!!!! Math problems that used to take seconds to solve now take minutes. Where is the logic in that? Never mind. There isn't any logic to common core.
  • #1
    I don't know much about common core. What I DO know, and what few people realize is that education is an industry, and a lot of money can be made by pushing new educational standards at the state and federal level.

    Just as manufacturers routinely trot out "new and improved" models of this or that, the education industry comes out with "new and improved" teaching methods and theories, and just as with other industries, those new methods are not always an improvement.

    Sure does help sell a lot of new teaching materials and textbooks, though.
  • #103
    We tried all the "fad" crap in our district over the years:

    Integrated Math
    Standards Based Grading
    Everyday Math...

    all to get extra state funding.
  • #51
    I was awarded custody of my daughter who was neglected by the mother, she was put into special classes in my school district and never challenged. I realized she was being relegated to mediocrity and poverty for the sake of extra funding from the state. I pulled her out and put her into the only alternative in my area, Christian school. She has blossomed beyond my expectations and is head and shoulders above academically from her "mainstream " peers. A lot of parents in my district are pulling their kids out because of CC, homeschooling, private schools and aren't looking back regardless if the scrap CC or not.
    I'm not a religious person nor attend church, but I can attest to the kindness, moral compass, work ethic, encouragement and mutual respect they instill in these students. I also have witnessed in her state science competition, some childlike snarky and catty comments from the public school staff and college professors at the event. What was worse for them, my daughter's school won.
  • #3
    Hmmm Looks like AP left out a LOT about Common Core and the states who 'quickly' adopted it. But, hey..while we are at it, let's data mine about kids parents voting habits- income etc etc. While China and India run rings around us.

    States that took the Race to the Top bribes in exchange for adopting Common Core must now comply with the edutech requirements of two private testing conglomerates, the Partnership for the Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers or the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium.

    Once your child is 'tested' to be strong in a certain area, they are on that path and must conform.

    When politicians want to evade accountability, they go on the attack. They don't loathe anti-Common Core parents because they're "paranoid." They fear them because "paranoid" is the political demagogue's word for active, alert and well-informed..The more the federal government has inserted itself into public education over the years, the worse our kid have fared
  • #17
    "While China and India runs rings around us"

    Lol I wonder how, in one breath, you can praise Chinese accomplishment in education results yet in the next breath still criticize a centralized educational authority...
  • #19
    @Food4thoughts Because they focus on Science & math. Not "Heather has 2 Mommies", Teaching 1st graders about gay sex, Speech codes and kicking kids out of school for having aspirin.

    You can separate the education from the methods. next.
  • #22
    Lol are you sure that's what they're doing. Are you sure that's not another BS nutty conservative talking point like beastialtiy will emerge from same sex marriage? Find me some research on that (no blatantly conservative biased sites please). So your problem isn't with a sole curriculum written at a federal level. Your problem is what they write in it. Ok fine. Work to adjust what's in it. Doesn't mean you need to scrap it.
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  • #8
    Education is best left to state and local governments to administer. Federal oversight is absolutely necessary, but complete federal control is wrong. You cannot paint the whole country with one broad brush.
  • #54
    No, It should be left up to the parents. The government can compete if they wish, but our monolithic government system is no good. If you have a plague, you try to contain it from spreading and infecting the population. Same goes for education (Prussian educational caste system) and government. Forget "charter schools" , they've been co-opted by the system , teachers unions and dumbed them down.

    Even in socialist Belgium knows that it doesn't work and have school choice where the government HAS to compete. And they're head and shoulders above our kids.
  • #56
    @SmedleyButler Well, I will only agree to leave it up to parents who are competent enough to educate their own children. Sadly, too many are not.
    The local systems are a hodgepodge of different ideas spread across different areas. But, those local school boards where the voter has direct control over the school board get it pretty close to right.
  • #70
    Really, How many parents aren't? What parent doesn't want to their child to be proficient in math and science? Not many, so your statement sounds like veiled statist arrogance.
  • #71
    @SmedleyButler's not a case of "want." It's is a case of actually being able to educate their children. You said, "No, It should be left up to the parents." Well, no matter where a child is educated, the parents can only put them in the system that is available. Unless, of course, they homeschool them. And, therein lies the quandary. If the parent has no control over the available school system their children will be subjected to whatever is available.
    And, as far as Belgium is concerned, they have their own problems. For years is was the Flemish versus French it is the Muslim and Eastern European thing. Yep, they are now struggling with how to educate everyone equally and the Belgium social system is under attack.
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  • #66
    Common core is the most asinine concept ever created. I am MBA educated and I can't do my third grader's math without either talking to her teacher or going to certain sites to find out how it's done. Her teacher also has a problem with it because they don't have time for students (the large majority of students, not just one or two) to master needed skills before moving on to more advanced tasks. Why? Because those tests are coming up!! They teach to the test, not to teach the students needed skills.
  • #110
    @AceLuby Just like Common Core, No Child Left Behind was a good idea that was implemented poorly and failed because of it. Unfortunately, the teachers unions have to try to change it to meet their requirements, not the requirements of the kids in the classrooms.
  • #109
    Unfortunately, Common Core is a good idea (common standards) that is being hijacked and implemented poorly. You can see that by the comments here and in other places by the parents of the kids.

    @AceLuby will tell you it's just national standards, but it's more than that in the implementation. What matters is where the rubber meets the road - and in this case, that's the classroom. Teachers aren't receiving adequate training and parents aren't being brought along either. It's a mentality of "We're the experts, trust us" and that just doesn't work any more.
  • #163
    Common core is not just standards it changes everything especially in math. The desighn is to push STEM. The problem is the mony folks are interested in making money and the implimation which shoud take 10 or more years is pushed on every grade without the proper trsining or preparation..
  • #74
    "Other Republicans, including former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have defended the standards as integral to improving student performance and maintaining American competitiveness around the globe."

    Say NO to Jeb Bush!
  • #68
    Some may disagree with me, but I believe that there should be an established "baseline" of information that each student in the U.S. should be taught, in the basic subjects. For many years I was a school counselor in a very "upscale" school district in Texas. Most of the parents of our students were lawyers, physicians, astronauts, NASA employees. It often happened that new, incoming students were "behind" to begin with, or else had never been exposed to the material that our students had already learned. It made for a difficult learning situation for both "sets" of students. Of course, teachers would "individualize" the lessons to each group of students, but this was far from an ideal teaching situation. It often frustrated the students who had already learned the material, as well as causing the others to feel "less than" at times. I witnessed this scenario many, many times over the years, and in different school systems in different states. I realize that this is only one facet in a multifaceted situation, but it is one that I saw daily.
  • #60
    Where was this pushback back when Bush was implementing "No Child Left Behind?" Where was the complaint about the federal government's intrusion into the classroom then?
  • #84
    They championed it. And this really just tweaks it a bit, there's not a whole lot of difference. I worked in this industry and many state dept of eds. The problem is it critiques your child and when that critique ends up negative it can't possibly be an issue w/ the child, it has to be the test, or unions, or school, or...
  • #137
    Those who don't like Common Core do not really understand it. If current state standards were leading to students graduating from high school with some real understanding in math and literacy, we wouldn't be in the poor educational shape that we are in today. CCSS is not a government mandate; CCSS is not a curriculum; CCSS just attempts to provide a framework that equips kids to become thinkers and problem solvers. What is wrong with that?
  • #157
    Exactly! There is nothing wrong with Common Core. Conservatives don't like it because they think it concentrates on ideas they don't want taught to their children by the "authorities".
  • #177
    Yep. My mom, an educator by the way, says that it is about "state's rights." Of course, in the next breath she is complaining to me that the seventh grade science students she teaches can't read the textbook.
  • #134
    Let's just keep dumbing down education in the US so we can continue to fall further and further behind the rest of the world, and so that we can continue to read the inane comments on this site. So, you don't like No Child Left Behind. Now you don't like Common Core. You're doing the kids a real disservice. And our country.
  • #131
    We already have national tests to help compare state and local performance.
    The suspicion is Common Core is a plot to mold children into tools for a globalist agenda and STEM fields, like training factory workers. Instead we should allow creative problem solving and the thinking behind that to happen, to groom future leaders. Forget about equality if it's looking at results instead of opportunity.
  • #128
    The federal government needs to do their jobs. Defend our country and communication with other countries, and let the state and local government take care of educating our kids
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