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    They asked 5 and 6 year olds?...lol

    So what about the adults who read and believe horoscopes? Yeah sure, the stars are aligned just for you today.
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    @ccchhhrrriiiss

    You do know there's some who still believe in Obama yet too...even though their dream is melting faster than a snow-cone in a Gore Bull Warmed summer afternoon...LOL!
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    @alexpinca - As you said, I'm witty. OF course, most of recognize that it was simply a joke (and reflected Obama's plummeting approval rating given various scandals and his handling of certain events).
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    What is the religious background of the study participants? Mainstream or Fundamentalist?

    I think the study would show a difference between the two.

    The trouble when religion is brought up as a subject is that is lumps in the Fundies with the rest of us...I'm Catholic and don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old! But, many Fundies do.
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    I believe the earth is 6000 years, old, but I never though false things were real, with the exception of normal things to tell kids like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
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    @BobSmith You do realize that when the books of the Pentateuch were written, they had no concept of what 1,000,000,000, right?
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    Its probably in varying degrees- like catholics may be slightly more gullible while southern baptists are straightup sheeple
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    @O_S_Thomas The RC Church doesn't preach that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were walking with men. Sorry.
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    Is it wrong to believe in "impossible" things? Or rather, is it always wrong? And who is to decide what's possible and what's impossible? There was a time when people thought that putting a man on the moon was impossible. Many of humankind's greatest triumphs would not have been realized if the dreamers had listened all the people saying this or that was impossible.

    I see no harm in letting young children believe there's magic in the world. Ideally, they continually revise that believe as they grow, so that in adulthood, they still see the magic that exists, but realize it's a different kind than what they believed in as children.

    Does religion create the dreamers and believers? I would suggest that, through the ages, it was they who created the religions.
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    The non-religions, anti-religions, political systems, social cause systems, special interest groups, forms of hero worship, forms of state worship, and various forms of self-empowerment are also religions, yet they only bring more harm than good to the world, WolfgangEli.
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    @JesseLong - I suppose it depends on how one defines "religion," but *all* forms of religion or other philosophical systems have both a good side and a dark side. The merits and harms of each is an whole other set of discussions though.
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    There is magic in the world! I can prove it, even! Can't you? My son was born on Mother's Day 5/9/99, 9 years after i baptized on Mother's Day. I baptized a few years ago into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the day I baptized the lottery numbers came up my 1st son's birthday which is 911. Technically the Michigan Daily four was 9911 that day: September 27, 2009. I was pregnant with him at fifteen and that makes him a rape victim by birth. He wasn't allowed to attend my baptism because his probation officer wouldn't allow it and I bawled my eyes out but i didnt wait (she told me to) and i am so proud of that decision. Some of my magic is pretty, some sad and some is spooky. I was born in the same county as Anton LaVey (he wrote the Satanic Bible) Cook County IL. He loved birthdays and satanists celebrate Halloween and my dad was born on October 31. That's spooky. Do you think I wrote the satanic bible or it wrote me? Did I write the lottery or ask to give birth to rape on 9/11? I have cerebral palsy which weakens my right side. Does that mean I belong to the Left? My favorite movie of all time is Finding Nemo with his brain damage birth defect that is like mine. Very awesome stuff. I did not write Jesus Christ and actually, he didn't write me, either. He weaves a story around me that is eternal and endless. My family is forever and all time. Before now and after. I love magic. I believe in it wholeheartedly.
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    Alright. I'm not arguing that faith or its effects are negative things, but it is realistic to say that said faith can have an effect on one's view(s).
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    I don't know, probably. But let me say this. I would rather be me and have my faith and be wrong than someone without faith that turns out to be wrong.
    All I can say I've gotten more positive than negative by having faith.
    But one thing is for certain nothing I can say or do will change your mind. You have to do that yourself if you were so inclined. That's something you have to decide for yourself.
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    @HoraceGreely You say, "All I can say I've gotten more positive than negative by having faith." When I read things like this, it always strikes me that believers and those who have faith are acting selfishly. Are there non-selfish reasons to believe or have faith?
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    @JohnLogan I wish you would explain. Faith isn't something that's exclusive. You are welcome to it. It's free
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    @HoraceGreely It seems to me that the only reason people have faith is because it give them things, or makes them "feel good" or "happy". These are selfish as opposed to selfless reasons. Does no one have faith because it serves someone else and gives nothing in return? i.e. selfless. Or does no one have faith because it serves someone else and costs something? i.e. a sacrifice?
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    I was raised by good, well-meaning parents and grew up in the 1950s. They were a Christian family and I was told things that frightened me. I am now a proud atheist with no beliefs whatsoever in anything supernatural. Religion brainwashes children and should not be part of growing up. After one reaches an appropriate adult age then decisions should be made.
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    well i was raised in a family with an atheist father. but G-D actually came to pay me a visit as per scripture, which sure screwed that up.
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    @BobFromDist9 well i an sure, you only think you do. and you can't even, spell G-D right. and let me guess, you spell Moshe as moses too. and most likely don't even know, what it means in english.
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    @1adam2

    Miscapitalization is not misspelling. Yes, I do know what's wrong with it, and I doubt you do.

    Oh, and Moses is the correct spelling. It means Moses in English.
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    The story relates one study with a very small sample and if the questions in it were as biased as the above report no wonder the results were what they were. Also, children that young are usually incapable of forming rational opinions. Consider Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy. What child doesn't believe in them? The study is a fraud by so-called researchers who were only trying to get paid and publish to keep their careers alive.
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    SAS86 - I can name a lot of adults who believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. They also believe guys in unmarked helicopters are going to come to their houses and take their guns.

    You're probably right about wanting to get 'paid and published'. Probably like the religious group that is charging believers to go to a fossil dig site that they say 'proves' their Biblical theories. I think it was something like $1,800.00 per person, and the site is 'undisclosed' for security reasons.
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    It's nice of Cognitive Science to tell us about a tautology, obvious though it may be. Almost all religions deal with supernatural and extra-worldly phenomena happening in this reality.
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    And it's so nice of Politix to offer us an article that most of us cannot access to assess the validity of the methods and researchers with out paying money.

    I suspect that there are a lot of thing not said in the synopsis above (not that we can't trust Mary Noble, of course) or in the abstract.

    So any statements made in support of or against the study's conclusions are guesses.
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    @BakersfieldBob You know there were quite a few scientists once who said reports should be freely accessable.
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    @JohnLogan Thanks, but I don't know when I would have time to really read it. My point is, Politix puts this up and just expects you to accept their description on face value without offering up all the needed information to adequately comment on or evaluate what they said.
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    All kids have fun with childhood fantasies. However most people are smart enough to tell truth from fiction by nine years old
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    Sadly, you are still living in a fantasy world, arisocto. Children are also far more honest, just, honorable, trustworthy, and truthful than yourself, sir. The children are living in the state of reality while you distort a fantasy and call it reality as well as try miserably and pathetically to live in it as a reality....how ironic.
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    @JesseLong Children can be just as vicious, mendacious, manipulative, etc, as any adult. Pretending they are perfect souls who are corrupted with time IS the fantasy.
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    Religion is fiction, and too many people believe in that crap. So apparently most people aren't smart enough to tell fact from fiction.
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    @freaky6smurf

    Oh no...now we have to have our National Aeronautics's & Space Administration doing Muslim out reach...somethings F-d up there, eh?
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    It is apparent that many of the commentators were indoctrinated with religious beliefs when they were children given the number who still can't distinguish fact from fiction.
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    I agree the study is absurd...considering it's a fact that the bible is fiction...it's already been established that religious people...can't distinguish fact from fiction
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    @happyhedon just because a book has been increasingly fictionalized by men, along the way. does not mean, it all began that way. there is still some, truth in IT left untouched. even if the names and dates, have been changed to protect the guilty. TheOnly Part i do not consider as fiction, is TheTorah from G-D. which is the accounting of this whole world's history, as THEIR not here in IT enemies. and as long as you all want to be THEIR enemies, G-D can give this whole same again story over again. you are all just proving, G-D told the truth when THEY said they would put enmity between all of you and your G-d parents adam and his mate.
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    @1adam2
    So by not believing in god....I'm proving god exist...well, you can't fight that logic...since there isn't any there
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    @happyhedon no! i do not need you, as proof that G-D exists. THEIR coming to visit with me, is sufficient for that. i was just making an observation about you, as read in TheTorah. in your being verification, of what is said in IT.
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    It is pitiful that anyone would even write a story about such psycho-babble. Mary, you are obviously an atheist to even write such crap. For the "researchers" to compare stories of "invisible sails" and "swords that protect you" shows where their loyalties lie.

    Typical liberal bs from Mary. I'm surprised she didn't find a way to also include a promotion for the gay lifestyle.
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    @Thinkpeople "For the "researchers" to compare stories of "invisible sails" and "swords that protect you" shows where their loyalties lie."

    yeah, because those stories are fairy tales. They didn't really happen like the stories about magic trees and talking snakes.
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    @RedSonja2000 no it was a talking lizard, before it's legs were removed. no matter what any of the subtle talking snakes of the fields, said to you about it today. and it was just yesterday, i was talking to another talking jack-ass. and in case you have not noticed this, there are a lot of subtle talking critters on this message thread.
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    Not necessarily.

    Example: How many of our atheist Democrat politicians thought that forcing people to give more money to insurance corporations was going to make insurance rates lower?
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    @dragoon70056

    LOL...good point!

    ...but the insurance guys do feel more secure now since you have to have it as a right to live...in the U.S.-----land of the free----LOL!
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    what you mean - there are democrats, who are not secular atheist? wow! i would like to see, one of those. cause i have already seen atheist, who claim to be jews, christian, and muslim or have no religion against G-D.
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    @BobSmith it's a faith thing. You either have it or you don't. For some reason those that don't are very hostile to those that do. If you could prove it then it wouldn't be faith would it? In the end I'm glad I do have faith.
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    Yet mainstream particle physics continues to suggest that the main governing factor of sub-atomic particle behavior is consciousness and that there is no rigid set of physical laws that determine the actions of these particles. Many modern scholars of particle physics will tell you that our own reality is an impossibility, yet here we are. I always laugh at people that claim to believe strictly in material scientism and reject anything metaphysical, even though there is strong evidence against this worldview.
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    I'm acquainted with a couple of particle physicists, and they do not claim that our reality is impossible, they claim it is highly improbable.
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    @Denizen_Kate From what I can understand, their best explanation for existence of the cosmos is that there is an infinite number of universes, and that we just happened to end up in the one where all of the physical laws came together in a way that made life possible. So in other words, there are other dimensions and universes that we can't see, detect, or touch, but they have to be there because the laws of physics have to come from somewhere. Sounds like one would need a lot of faith to accept that view as absolute truth.
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    @Denizen_Kate Yes and that was what I was hinting at in my initial response, which was a retort to the article. Many people would like to portray the view that any belief in the metaphysical or sometimes the absurd is a rejection of science. I was just merely saying that science doesn't always have all of the answers and that a rigid skeptical belief in science can often become a sort of religion in itself.
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    @o_g_neckbone - science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but religions do make that claim. One of the things I love about science is that every time they answer a question, several more pop up as a result of that answer.

    I'm not against a healthy dose of skepticism, but when that skepticism is directly contrary to established facts that clearly prove a concept, that is no longer skepticism, it is rationalization instead of reason.
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    Indoctrinating children so that it hinders their ability to distinguish fantasy from reality isn't necessarily bad... yeah, whatever you say.
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    @John_Matrix so your saying that your preferred method, of insane reality is so much better than anyone else's? and just what do the chinese, think of your non-chinese standard of sanity? since i already know, what the muslim standard of sanity has to say about yours.
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    That's funny, I raised my kids w/o Santa and was told how much I deprived them.
    I also taught them Skittles didn't fall from the sky or any other holiday advertisements and they didn't get wound up like a spring every December.

    I wonder how many here who put down other's spirituality hypocritically fill their kids up will fantasies of their own making.
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    @1adam2
    Nah, not really. Birthdays and anniversaries are celebrated nd my adult children were raised thinking they could be whatever they wanted to be, exhibited creative and artistic tendencies, a daughter who is a director of a BSofA summer ranch and all of us enjoy reading very much.

    When we got a bonus check we took them to Toys-r-us and they picked out whatever the budget allowed.

    What is the matter, Adam? Not tolerant of another's choices in childrearing?
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    @max-parrish what is the difference in that kind of be what ever you can be fanaticizing unlike any other kind? your just doing the same thing, in a different fantasy way.

    and i never call, lying to children as childrearing. so why should i not be any less critical, of your way of lying to your children? when it can be even more damaging, than santa clause, the easter bunny, tooth fairy, or some bs of a summer camp.

    why should i be impressed - with any of this world's ways of raising their children with false witness? as i am also sure, that the chinese are not impressed, with your non-chinese way of raising your children not true to china.
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