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  • #141
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    @FatTony14 Motivation is important, no doubt. It's not the only factor, of course. Our education system is failing everywhere, not just in "inner cities". I'm not convinced letting local school boards determine education policy, a model we've used for decades, isn't a big part of the problem.
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    @DARSB Ah, and what you say presents itself as something that the PC era doesn't want to address fully. Why? Because increasing skills (not scores) up to those levels would mean there would be less on social programs and an educated society. Both of which do not mesh with the goals of our government.
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    Don't go being hypocritical. They're not trying to use the law to forcefully indoctrinate all future generations of this country to accept their ideology at the literal point of a gun.
    It's democrats that do that kind of thing. Like when Michelle Obama tries to force kids to put down the soda and eat their vegetables. HOW DARE THEY TELL MY YUNG UNS WHAT THEY CAN EATS. This is just a normal safety course that will be beneficial to all children in the New Republic following the glorious revolution. I mean, in making sure they don't hurt themselves while hunting.
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    We had something called Safety Club where we learned gun safety and marksmanship. We even got to bring our guns to school. It was a good idea, and it worked well. We even got to compete against other Safety clubs.
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    Even for students who are not in the least interested in guns? What about those for whom guns and other weapons are against their religion? How do they handle the dissenters?
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    But everyone would be well advised to at LEAST learn basic gun safety. You shouldn't be forced to but you should WANT TO!
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    Kids are required to learn many things in order to advance/graduate.

    While I think it's a good idea to offer firearm safety I'm against making it a requirement.
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    Your right the constitution does not force anyone to do anything. But, we force kids to go to school, we force them to take drivers Ed, we force them to sign up for the military, we force them not to drink, we force them not to smoke and we most likely should not FORCE them to learn how to shoot but maybe we SHOULD force schools to give then the opportunity to learn gun safety and how to shoot if they want.
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    Way outta touch here. The second amendment is a right-not an individual demand placed on people by the government. I would love to see gun safety taught in all schools, but on a volunteer basis. The NRA is way out of bounds here.
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    @Denizen_Kate And no full moon this week. See I can think for myself-not always republican, not always democrat. But, yes, I am a proud supporter of the second amendment, but common sense must play a role in not only government but non-profit organizations that support the constitution.
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    HMMM......I think the 3 R's are enough for children in school. They don't need a 4th R (Reading, Riting, Rithmatic and Rifles).
    Come on GUN GUYS, this is strictly something that should be taught by YOU AT HOME. It's a parental responsibility..........and you know it!
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    Many urban parents do not have those skills. This nation is urban so there is not the space to safely teach like it was several generations ago. Most parent can't teach sex either.
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    @CVX Sorry but the VAST majority of this nation is NOT urban. The loud screaming masses in the urban areas are but a minority and if you do not believe that I invite you to drive across any Interstate highway heading east and west and have a look.

    I literally just spent 22 hours driving from GA to west TX and can vouch for a whole lot of wide open spaces with people living out there.
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    @Ric_Hornsby
    We are talking two different things; apples and oranges. 80% of the population live in cities. Land is not the money maker it used to be. So if you are going to teach gun skills one needs to space to do that in. The urban areas for the most part do not.
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    @CVX sorry but the numbers don't support that there are a lot more people out in the vast openness in total than there are in the urban areas.
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    It's a great idea to offer a class in gun proficiently. Great idea. But I can't see it being a required course. Except it would be a very good idea to are least teach every child the basic gun safety rules. The Eddie Eagle program is fantastic.
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    While I think gun proficiency is great and a benefit .... holding someone back in school over it is just plain stupid!

    Gun safety was taught when I was in school by the Game Wardon just before deer hunting season and it seemed to do some good for those who had no prior knowledge.

    As they say, "What you don't know can kill you!"
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    He's not saying this is what the NRA wants... he's saying what if the 2nd was treated like all the other basic rights are treated in this country?

    Seriously, does anyone think that if children were forced to take and pass a gun safety class in school that that would be a bad thing? Whether they ever touch one again... who wouldn't feel better knowing that their child was educated and given the skills to safely handle and use one should one cross his/her path sometime later in their life? Come on... that's like saying we shouldn't tell them to run with scissors.
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    Staticxd00d. You just made me think that maybe they would start teaching the full document, not just the second amendment. Ok, it was just a thought.
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    I doubt that the average grade school teacher will be the one teaching basic gun safety. I think the NRA is pushing for this partly because they'd like to hire out as consultants, get some of that "guvmint money."
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    No greater truth has been spoken. Most of the teachers teaching math are not qualified. They take "education courses" and do not get past the very basic math courses. We need math people teaching math, not "education theory specialist", We need gun people teaching the gun classes, at least NRA certified instructors. My suggestion is that we pass laws that no more money can be spent on basketball or football than spent on shooting sports.
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    @Denizen_Kate
    NRA is not a for-profit organization. NRA does not make money on their classes, many times they do not even cover costs. Especially, on the many "free" classes that offer all over the country, like the "Do Not Be A Victim" class.
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    @TexTopCat - The NRA's non-profit status has nothing to do with this issue. This is about someone from the NRA trying to pass legislation MANDATING that all of our children receive and pass gun safety classes in order to advance to the next grade. Don't deflect. Answer my question: do you support this idea?
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    No and hell no, my kids already were taught gun safety and proficiency by me and their grandfather, I don't need the government and schools to do my job as a parent! Stop trying to raise my kids, I have done and am doing just fine without them!
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    What an absurd idea. No one needs a gun in their life to be a fully functioning member of society, but they all need to know STEM, geography, history, grammar, punctuation, spelling, composition, civics, and cultural literacy.
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    Learning safety could save a life...I guess you didn't make the connection. I am against making it a requirement.

    Do you believe kids are proficient in the areas you listed?
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    Kids don't need to know what to do in the event they find a gun?

    Do they not need to know that guns are dangerous and should be left alone and the finding reported to an adult?

    Do they not need to know the difference between a toy and a real gun? Or that real guns are not toys?
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    @Canoochee There is a difference between "Don't touch it, call an adult" and "proficiency." The NRA just wants another crop of fresh gunbots.
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    NEVER been a member of the NRA, but it looks like someone may have been reading my posts. I've been advocating that anyone not legally prohibited from carrying should be REQUIRED to carry for years.

    It would most certainly cut down on some of the idiocy we keep reading about if the would be perps knew they would face overwhelming fire power in return.

    The police are primarily a response! They aren't usually present when something goes down.
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    Should have clarified that.

    It depends on what grades you're talking about. I definitely DON'T want to see weapons in the hands of MOST adolescents without DIRECT adult supervision.
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    In my pre teen years we shot with NRA instruction in the basement of our IO#A county court house. AND At a school in MO. I learned at a YMCA camp too at around 8yrs old. We learned to respect firearms. But there was no video games, smart phones, or violent movies /TV.
  • #197
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    Everything that gentleman says in the video is completely reasonable, the headline is misleading but that is meant to skew the poll results and it is working. Of course that is typical of this site.

    In the video he never mentions a requirement to use guns he is basically putting forth the idea of looking at guns from the opposite perspective that we currently do. This might be a bit over the top but I will state that I would support minimal gun and gun safety training be required at schools.
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    Proficiency? No. Many come from families who do not hunt and do not like having guns around at all.
    However, being taught basic gun safety and not to play with guns would be an excellent idea as many children will be in homes and other places where there are guns, and even if these guns are put away, the curios child or playmate may find them.
  • #188
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    No but this is a perfect example what happens when Government gets out of control & forces us all to bow to their ideology. It is bad when either side does it & I believe the NRA is making a point to stop Government from taking our guns, forcing kids to learn how to have sex, forcing our kids to know about weird sexual orientations, etc.
  • #1
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    I'd rather leave a thing like that up to the district and community. Start with SAFETY first then proficiency/or not.

    ""What if instead of gun free-zones we had gun-required zones?" he asks.".... Two wrong do not make a right.
  • #321
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    Here is one example of a "gun required zone" that has worked:

    In 1982, Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to just 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.
    Today, the violent crime rate in Kennesaw is still 85% lower than Georgia's or the national average.
    ( http://americangunfacts.com/ )
  • #308
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    I'm surprised how many people are simply not getting THE POINT of this video.

    This is an absurd poll. Of course I voted yes so I could comment...
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