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    You cannot be for freedom and limited government and at the same time support the war on drugs. One of the effects of the war on drugs has been the militarization of police I've seen being talked about on here that a lot want to blame on Obama. Yes he has expanded it but the problem didn't start and doesn't end with him. The problem is 50,000 no knock warrants being executed on mainly people who bought a little drugs for personal use. You support the war on drugs you support big government and the militarization of police, there's no getting around that.
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    The concept that any government should have a right to tell you...what plants you can and can't put into your body (by whatever means)....is absurd to me
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    @HoraceGreely

    The people that are going to use meth (or coke and heroin for that matter) are going to do it whether its legal or not. Basically what I'm saying is the hard drugs being illegal is not stopping anyone from doing them, there isn't anyone sitting around thinking "Man I would love to do some meth if it were only legal..."
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    @thhutton I understand that argument but I think it's such a dangerous drug it needs every effort possible to stop people from making or doing it.
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    @HoraceGreely - People wouldn't be making poisonous meth at home if they could get the clean grade of it legally.

    It is the prohibition laws that cause people to make their own drugs. And how do laws prevent meth addiction? They don't... Addiction should be addressed as a mental health issue, not a legal issue. Punishing people for a mental health problem has never been an effective course of treatment.
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    To give you an idea of how ridiculous this law is ill tell you my experience from a couple weeks ago when I got arrested for the first time bc of having a bowl in my car. I was on my way home from work and unfortunately forgot to take the pipe out when I got home from a friends the previous night. I got pulled over for speeding, 15 over the limit, this was my first time even being pulled over for speeding. I give him my cards and such and the officer comes back to my car and tells me he's gonna let me go with a warning! Awesome! I thought to myself. Right after handing me back my info, his face got struck with a strange intrigued look, he leans in closer and proceeds to tell me he smells marijunanna, at this point I didn't yet realize I had forgot the pipe in my car from last night at a friends house. Long story short I come to the realization that the pipe was in my car and told him exactly what happened and told him where it was. He gets the pipe, does multiple sobriety tests and I pass them all. He then says I'm under arrest for possession of paraphanillia, so he parks my car on a random side street, takes me to the police station to book me and finger print me like some kind of criminal then 45 mins drops me back off to my car with the arrest papers and the speeding ticket. Before this I have never gotten in any type of trouble with the cops and never even gotten any type of driving violation. Now my record is ruined, and I have a criminal record. I'm still awaiting court and will winde up paying out the ass for a simple mistake of forgetting to take the pipe out of my car the night before and all the fun that comes with now having points on my license. LEGALIZE MARIJUANA and stop criminalizing everyday good, normal people.
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    What an absolute waste of resources in a futile attempt to eradicate something objectively safer than alcohol.

    This Texas teen will get 5 years to life imprisonment for making pot brownies:

    Texas man faces possible life sentence for making and selling pot brownies
    "Authorities in Round Rock charged 19-year-old Jacob Lavoro with a first-degree felony because he used hash oil to make the brownies."
    "Texas law allows the state to factor sugar, cocoa, and other ingredients to determine the weight of the drug"
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/19/texas-m...
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    I've seen so many functional drug addicts (not that you're a drug addict- just illustrating a point) who worked and didn't bother anyone, until such time as they would get arrested. THEN they would have to rob and steal to pay for attorneys and court costs; and to replace confiscated property, etc. Just proof that the War On Drugs causes the very crime which they claim they are trying to prevent
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    Sorry to hear that buddy plain fact is that marijuana should be made legal and decriminalized in the whole world not just the United States. we have a lot of jail and PRIVATE prisons housing marijuana offender that shouldn't be there in the first place. I tell everyone I know to write , e-mail or call you local , state and federal lawmakers . that you are a voter and if they are pro marijuana they will get your vote. If they say nay tell them yourself and friends will nay them at the ballot box in November 4th this year is right around the corner.
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    Legalize it, release all nonviolent drug offenders from jail. Determine what amount in ones system is safe while driving or working. Set an age limit. Make test kits available over the counter for personal use so one would know if they are 'legal'. --- If it's overtaxed, the black market will continue and nothing will change...legalize personal grow operations...
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    Voters must realize that:

    1) Cannabis is not the demon it has been made out to be.
    2) Cannabis prohibition has little effect on usage rates.
    3) Prohibition causes many harms at great cost.

    Lets end this futile attempt to eradicate something objectively safer than alcohol. This prohibition is very costly (money is only a small part), senseless, unjust, unfounded, harmful, and more importantly, un-American.

    Please consider what the following cannabis legalization organizations have to say. Help end this prohibition by joining their mailing lists, signing their petitions and writing your legislators when they call for it.

    MPP - The Marijuana Policy Project - http://www.mpp.org/
    NORML - National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws - http://norml.org/
    LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc/
    DPA - Drug Policy Alliance - http://www.drugpolicy.org/
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    Please join your local chapter of NORML. We are out here working on educating people, helping them realize that people of all types use cannabis and we are not criminals.
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    Lawyers have screwed so many people over with these insane and lunatic drug laws, ruined and split apart so many families and ripped children from loving parents, that lawyers should be barred from any public legislative position other than Judge of Prosecutor. Our national security is now at a huge risk, terrorists groups from the Middle East are using Mexican cartels to finance their terrorism, local security is at risk from the crime, and the entire population is at risk of being railroaded off to private prison as Judges turn their head to rights violations in order to meet the 80% guaranteed occupancy of private prisons.
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    It should be legalized, you don`t see pot heads out carjacking, , snatching purses, and other serious crimes, because generally the only thing a pothead is going to hurt is a bag a potato chips or Doritos. Law enforcement makes a lot of money off marijuana arrest, and the legal system screws a lot of people for simple possession of small amounts. It`s time to legalize it, there are serious drugs out there for law enforcement to concentrate on.
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    They should certainly take it off the schedule I list, that's contrary to reality.

    They should decriminalize it, and leave it to the states to do as they will.
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    Racist Harry Anslinger's efforts made it illegal, and laws got much tougher after the Voting Rights Act got passed making it easier for minorities to vote. Vigorous enforcement has made many thousands of people--especially minorities--ineligible to vote, and made it hard for them to get good jobs. Self-righteous nonsense about its dangers merely masks the politics of hate.
    Americans have the right to pursue happiness without harming others. Legalize it!
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    Politix, is this another trick question? Of course it should be legal! It never should have been illegal to begin with. It's a plant, for pity's sake.
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    $20/gr? That's $560/oz! I'm sure I'm out of touch here but that's nuts for something I can grow myself. Hell I'll bet the stuff still grows wild in many places in MO.
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    $560/oz. Yeah, and the black market is offering cannabis at a quarter of that cost!

    Imagine if a can of beer cost 6 bucks... people would be outraged!
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    @HoraceGreely
    Lol!
    My days with that were over with about twenty years ago but if the Feds give the ok I might consider a toke or two.
    In the late sixties and early seventies you could buy an ounce
    Or more of sucker leaves for five dollars. Then it doubled in price to ten dollars. You could smoke the whole bag and never get a buzz. Only a monster headache. Sometimes around that time some low quality Mexican weed entered the market. The first buzzes had their genesis. Lol! Lord, there were so many seeds, after you cleaned that in your glow in the dark frisbee you had more seeds than weed. You can't stop progress. Next came real mind expanding weed like columbian and mohog. Locals wised up and learned the mechanics of sexing plants and obtaining quality seeds. First from Sativa but more importantly from Indica after experiencing some of that California sensimilla. Those damn hermaphroditic plants are tricky and don't make it the PC world of seedless bud land. They are despised and a constant vigil for a pollinating branch is paramount.
    We have the capacity to grow the finest marijuanna in the world today. I agree with many here. This should be legal and everyone should be able grow with no limit on personal storage( possession ). Here's my take on that. If you put a
    Limit on personal possession, you will automatically encourage sales thereby forcing illegality on a legal endeavor.

    I think this whole process will be long and drawn out. There's money to be made. If the Feds legalize , home grow may be no show because I personally believe no market will exist except the " neighborhood" market( which I like) which will be tax free. I have many, many thoughts on the subject.
    You shouldn't be able to purchase weed legally through government mandates and quotas or regulation of government approved grow site that are ripe for corruption by the US government, our intelligence agencies and by far the greater concern by foreign entities.
    Legalize on every level and omit all government regulation.
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    Michael Savage latched onto a report that 10-15% of marijuana users fit the definition of addicts as an excuse not to legalize. I thought to myself the number of alcoholics is probably just as high.

    To use the argument of uber gun advocates, banning marijuana doesn't keep people from smoking it.
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    The Savage Weiner is a hoot. Anybody still listen or take him seriously? His mindless rant surely weighs more on the side of legalization than against.
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    The number of alcoholics IS that high... And there are no more (percentage wise) of addicts/alcoholics than there ever has been...

    A much larger percentage of the population engages in dangerous sexual behaviors... using Savage's logic, should we outlaw sex???
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    The dependence rate of cannabis is the lowest of legal drugs. In addition, the dependency symptoms that develop in these few consumers are very minor and often not significant, unlike alcohol.

    Dependency rates of common substances:

    Tobacco 32%
    Caffeine 30%[Catherine et al. 2011]
    Heroin 23%
    Cocaine 17%
    Alcohol 15%
    Antianxiety Meds 9%
    Cannabis 9%

    Anthony et al. Comparative epidemiology of dependence on tobacco, alcohol, controlled substances, and inhalants: Basic findings from the National Comorbidity Survey. Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology. 1994.

    "Compared to most other drugs … dependence among marijuana users is relatively rare."
    "A distinctive marijuana and THC withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and subtle compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal."
    Joy et al. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. Institute of Medicine. 1999.

    After a decade of use, the rate of cannabis dependence is only 5.9%. It is 8.9% for lifetime use:

    "Consistent with previous estimates from the National Comorbidity Survey (Wagner and Anthony, 2002a), the cumulative probability of transition from use to dependence a decade after use onset was 14.8% among cocaine users, 11.0% among alcohol users, and 5.9% among cannabis users."
    "Furthermore, lifetime cumulative probability estimates indicated that 67.5% of nicotine users, 22.7% of alcohol users, 20.9% of cocaine users, and 8.9% of cannabis users would become dependent at some time in their life."
    Lopez-Quintero et al. Probability and predictors of transition from first use to dependence on nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, and cocaine: results of the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC). Drug Alcohol Depend. 2011.
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    Why tax it? It doesn't cost the state anything. If they tax it, it will end up costing the same or more than cigarettes; and then we end up with the same problem as before- the high cost of what the free market could provide cheaply, enabling crime and a black market. If we're going to pursue freedom, why not go all the way, instead of replacing one tyranny with another? Aren't we taxed enough already? We need less gov't. More taxes = more gov't. Stop funding the insanity!
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    I can get much tighter almost hard bud better than that pic...Sweet Lafayette. Just sayin'..lol

    Have no idea why so many people think the leafy part is just as good as the actual bud, or that bud which is mainly leafy and not real tight as we say is just as good. Look at that pic, witht he leafiness trimmed off there wouldn't be much of actual bud left.

    If that's govt pot, I don't want it...lol
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    @Denizen_Kate What a job your family member has...lol.

    I was having a bit of fun when I made my comment, but it's the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the pic. I don't smoke very much pot now, very occasionally compared to my younger days, but amazed at how many people(some even older and suppose to be experienced) who think the leaf part is just as good as the bud. Or worse yet, a few people I have met, some younger and some older, who think seeds in the bag they just bought is "good bud".
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    That is not what legal pot looks like. I have a prescription... and that's the bag of shake they give you when you sign up at a new dispensary... I mean at least here in Los Angeles.
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