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    There is an unbelievable amount of power in nature...if we could somehow tap into it...we could someday provide for all our energy...all that's needed is better technology...and that's one area that seems to be expanded exponentially
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    We should be working 24/7 on terms tube energies. China is - and they're hoping we don't cop on until it's too late to catch up.

    Further, getting off oil - the WORLD getting off oil - would mean we could detach altogether from some of the most vicious crazies on the planet. The Middle East can just be the nasty little sandbox it is, and they can do what they will to each other without involving the rest of us. And we can stop enriching them.
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    @sensiblycenter lol. Well, I read that, but I didn't think tube terms could equate alternative. Autocorrect can be so horrible. I actually reset my dictionary so it would start over. In some ways it's better. In some ways not. I think I need to do it again.
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    It's great that they are coming up with more clean energy solutions that will hopefully contribute more in the future. I'm not sure ow effective this will be at a large scale, but I like the effort and hope for more.
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    Where there are powerful waves, those areas will be able to use that power with many, many put in place. They are only testing one right now. That's 20 homes deriving their energy from waves rather than fossil fuels. When all that can be are put in place, Hawaii and the west coast can derive their energy from waves and not fossil fuels. The Pacific is the only place to be able to rely on wave power. Too bad for the rest of the country, but it is still good for the country. Wind farms in the Atlantic and solar farms for the rest of the country will further reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. We have to be honest with ourselves. We are many years away from reducing our dependence on fossil fuels. That's just reducing. Who knows how long it will take to not be dependent on fossil fuels. Nuclear energy is clean energy, but still holds many dangers like the ever increasing spent fuel rods that the ones we have now will remain highly radioactive far past our grandchildren's lifetimes. All we have to do is look at Japan to see what a natural disaster could do. Even a tornado away from the coast or an earthquake. Fracking has gotten a really bad name when the truth is when done right in the right place, it is perfectly safe and gives us clean natural gas! They need to be strictly regulated so the greedy don't cut any corners and the punishment for doing so needs to be so high that they would never even attempt it. Not just jail time. Forfeiture of their own personal fortunes! That is how to make sure the greedy stay in line and do everything right. We need to finish the Keystone pipelines and start drilling for our own oil ourselves. The same protections need to be put in place so there will be no failures on any parts of the rig. What happened in the gulf will never happen again! The Keystone pipeline negates the need to ship the oil to the refineries on the gulf. The Exxon Valdes oil spill will never happen again. Until that day comes where we have the technology to be rid of using fossil fuels, we need to stop our dependence on foreign oil. We have the capability to do so! We need to do it while the smartest minds keep working for ways to obtain energy other than fossil fuels. Cars are our next problem. Most people cannot afford to buy hybrids or the new high mpg cars. My husband has now demanded I get a bigger automobile. He's sick of trying to pack in what we need when we travel. I don't want to give up the 40mpg. That means spending way more on a bigger auto than I want to or maybe can. He wants me to get another SUV like we had when we had more than just one child living at home and needed it also to carry my son's poles for pole vaulting. We don't have to carry poles anymore and only have one 9yr old at home. We've already downsized to a smaller much more energy efficient new house with all energy star appliances. We installed solar panels and are adding on a fireplace. We can't do anything about my husband needing a truck for his new business. Away from work only my car is used. We're getting there. I'm glad to see the introduction of wave power; but we have a long way to go. Right now we have to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. That can be done! Then continue on with alternative power sources and natural gas. There aren't even gas lines where I live. We don't have that option. We do everything that can be done to reduce the power we use.
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    Good idea. And naturally the consistency of wind and sun is always a limiting factor. I've lived in Australia and been to Hawaii many times. The presence of waves in those places are much more consistent and reliable than either wind or sun. As they say...location, location, location.
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    @getsmart4

    I love the surfing contests and documentaries that come out of Hawaii and Australia .

    Surfing in Miami sucks but than again I suck at surfing so I guess it evens out , lol.
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    @JoseinThrdWrld I don't surf, but boogie-board. I haven't seen a wave here in Pompano Beach for three months. Not a hide nor hair of a surf board. Ocean's been like a pond. I saw that only once in Australia for all of one day, never mind three months. I believe the best surf around here is just south of Palm Beach. One day Pompano had two feet and Palm Beach had five.
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    I think it's a novel idea and would love to see more clean, renewable methods of generating electricity, but I have to wonder who has which friends in Honolulu and Washington and was able to score the probable billions that this project will cost...
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    What it is costing per kilowatt now is almost a moot point. The only sensible thing for we humans to do energy-wise is develop nonfossil and nonfission fuel sources. Then, as long as the energy put out is a factor of 1.? to the energy put in to produce it, it is good thing. It seems that JustTheFacts is coming from some ideological basis where anything environmentally sound is suspect. As Teilhard de Chardin said more than 60 years ago, "Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire."
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    @TheSaltMiner Billions? To build the prototype it was $1.8 million. And then there's the power offset.
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    @jdl51 Well that's better - I'd still rather not see stuff like this done on the taxpayer's dime though. Not that oil companies are any better on that front.
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    @jdl51 Even more so after a storm rips it out and sinks it in deep water or tosses it up on the beach. For anything like this to work, it has to be either on or near the surface, in near a shore, where the effects of a storm are the worse.
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    @Tina They anchor these things in really good. It's been tested off the coast of Oregon where they get storms on a constant basis in the winter time.
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    @jdl51 There is no thing as a good enough anchor when talking about the power or the oceans. That is like claiming that no earthquake can bring down a building or that a ship is unsinkable.

    Nature has repeatedly shown man that there isn't anything that it cannot ruin if it tries hard enough.
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    I remember a Scientific American article in the 1980's stating that the Bay of Fundy tides would provide enough electricity to supply the whole east coast of N.A. It is just only now starting to be realized. Does anybody want to take a guess why Fundy hydro hasnt happened sooner?
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    Of course, the oil vested interests and the politicians they own.

    I'd bet you dimes donuts there resides right now, in some Swiss vault, the copyright for an engine which goes not require gas to operate. Probably been there since the 40s!
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    @sensiblycenter No...two things have delayed utilizing the tides.

    1 Environmentalists.

    2 - Developing the technology to make it economically feasible to generate electricty. I work for a well known tubine company and we have been investignt heavily in developing the turbines, which is no small feat. Its a corrosive environment to operate in, and the ecoystem is delicate. Barnacles grow quickly and quickly affect the turbine balance
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    @JackinVienna I suspect it's more NIMBYers (Not In My Back Yard) than Environmentalists. Anything that has the potential to take a coal powered power plant offline should be celebrated.
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    @JackinVienna And I have no doubt environmentalists will eventually seek to block tidal/wave energy if it appears to be on the verge of becoming widespread.

    Environmentalists are the biggest roadblocks to alternative energy. But because the left is in bed with the environmental movement, the left always screams it's the fault of Republicans.
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    30Jul14.....For those of you toooooooooooooo ignorant to know your geography, America includes Canada as well.
    The first place to connect ocean wave energy to the power grid was in Nova Scotia, in the Bay of Fundy......Much Obliged...pwm
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    "America includes Canada as well"

    We invaded Canada?! That's always been a dream of mine - well done!
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    Definitely worth a try. Though if they could figure out a way to bring it to scale the environmentalists would suddenly turn against it.

    They would point out that the coastal habitat of the sand flea is threatened or something like that.
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    Absolutely it will be. So will solar, hydro, geothermal, wind etc. Most every area will have a dominant source of energy dependent on location and availability. We will produce energy from a wide array of different sources and technologies. We must do it and the sooner the better. Most everything will be powered directly by electricity obtained from the grid.
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    You are right, but it's not ready yet, so, it will be about 25 years in the future, we have no infrastructure in place and that will take decades to build enough for large areas and large needs. A simple thing could come up soon, but not anything to satisfy our needs. I say start now, but in the mean time drill and frack for oil. When the other is up, quit using the oil, and sell it to other countries. We benefit from cheap energy, and make money for ever off it. We do well if energy is cheap.
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    The oil company certainly owns the GOP but the Dems have not had any real solution .

    Al Gore's idea of raising taxes on energy consumption and fuel is not a solution .
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    @JoseinThrdWrld Ture, and I'm no dyed-in-the-wool Democrat as Democrats have ignored opportunities, but IMO they spend far less time actively building road blocks.
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    Since America has 3 incredibly long coastines (Atlantic, the Gulf, and Pacific) we enjoy a HUGE natural advantage in using wave-generated power. I believe I read somewhere that the world can access 2 terawatts of power using currently available wave-generation technology.........which is about twice what the world consumes. Don't quote me on the numbers........I'm just a layman in this new field.
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    Wave energy is ideal and will likely become more common for future generations in places like Hawai'i. Any place can use it's natural resources, wind, hydro, sunlight, to compliment its existing energy sources. When I lived in Hawaii'i, solar energy was huge, cutting electric bills more than half in many cases.
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    24 hrs a day 7 days a week, the waves will not stop. and yet there is so much more we could be doing, but the democratic party and the EPA have held back the united states from energy independence.
  • #117
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    Wave, wind, solar all have demonstrated potential, in every case there is environmental and economic impact from them as well. Wind turbines off our coasts, on our mountaintops, etc do not sit well with the people who view them. Captured wave action off the beaches of Hawaii may draw curiosity-seekers, but it won't do much for the tourist industry. Municipalities have restrictions on solar panel installation in cities because of maintenance issues. Fossil fuel may be done, but the real issue is that the public has to come to grips with the fact that there is a price to be paid for everything, but everybody wants somebody else to pay it.
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    Hopefully this begins a standard for our massive shorelines. I just hope that it becomes either effectivly regulated or nationalized for societies benefit.
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    This, wind, solar, geothermal, etc. There are many ways to generate power in this country but, the big money is with those who are stuck in 19th and early 20th century technology, and have a vested interest that the rest of us remain stuck there too. Just 2 brothers dropped $400 million in an off year election cycle in 2012, to make sure their cronies and people who would back antiquated policies would get elected (We won't mention any names but they earned their money the old fashioned way, they inherited it from their dad, who made it by building the oil infrastructure for this sweet old guy named Stalin whose country still remains a beacon for all yearning to be free to this very day, cough.) The rest of the world spends untold billions of their governments' money in research on R & D for renewable energy because they know if will give them an advantage in the future, while we give subsidies to the industry of the past that makes record profits and doesn't need them, and 1/2 the country has a hissy fit if we spend anything to advance solar, wind, or any type of alternative energy sources. Us corporations have already sent our manufacturing overseas, now they're blocking us from expanding into future energy resources, and certain groups are blocking us from repairing and building new infrastucture (like high speed rail). It's a great plan. That is, if you want to make sure that America, once the manufacturing giant and most powerful country in the world, becomes a second, or third rate nation sometime in the relatively near future. Who gives a shit, right? As long as handful of people at the very top have more money than they could spend in a thousand lifetimes. Those 3,139,000 people can move anywhere they want and build there own private enclave around them. It's the other 310,761,000 of us that are screwed.
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