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  • #4
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    It's not the Bible, it's called the Tanakh. And you could ask the same thing about Christianity and Islam and their holy books and it would be equally offensive.
  • #102
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    @galt45 actually what you call "The Bible" is your reference to the Catholic Bible. You only recognize it as "The Bible" because we are in a Catholic majority country. Since there are actually multiple Catholic Bibles you most likely also assume it to be the King James version.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
  • #126
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    You find freedom of religion offensive?

    I found it offensive for Saudi Arabia to forbid our troops to carry a bible in public.

    Where do YOU draw the line?
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    Actually Israel would be better off if the Koran and those who follow it didn't exist...it is after all the source for the belief of all violence against them. The Bible, in a prophetic and accurate way, says what's going to happen, just as it has already predicted what has happened...it got Israel's rebirth right among many others. Heck, if you'd study and understand prophecy rightly, it's no surprise to you the news headlines of today either.
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    Did you know that the Christian god and the Muslim Allah are one and the same? The Bible's got nothing right: Nostradamus has a better success rate!
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    Does it really matter which ancient superstition or fairy story you still believe in? Thankfully I'm an educated, level-headed European, where the Enlightenment was born!
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    I can usually agree with this writer, but when he started off with the fictional claims of the Bible, he lost me. Must be an atheist.
  • #132
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    Fictional claims? Are you saying there is archeological discoveries that back up the Exodus? Are you denying that the Israelis wiped out an entire city man, woman and child?

    What fictional claims?

    You do know the descendants of Abraham were more than the Jews in Egypt, don't you?
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    If Hamas has it's way then Israel doesn't have a thing to worry about because there won't be an Israel to have a bible.
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    Hamas seems to forget that Israel has the big toys. Israel can put a stop to this anytime they want to. But because Israel and the Jewish people unlike Hamas have some morals and values and don't want to kill innocent people if they can help it. But it may come to the point that they will do what they have to do.
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    @twodogscat56 If Israel goes genocidal, they can count on losing American protection AND on reprisals from its neighboring muslim theocracies.
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    @cpeter133 Not like Jews don't have bloody hands, too in their own history, which they too often forget.
  • #133
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    If Netanyahu has his way Israel won't be Israel much longer. It may exist, but it won't be what Israel is supposed to be.
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    @twodogscat56

    "Hamas seems to forget that Israel has the big toys. "

    Unlike you, Hamas is not in a position to forget anything.

    "But because Israel and the Jewish people unlike Hamas have some morals and values and don't want to kill innocent people "

    Actually, Israeli government have demonstrated, over and over, they are perfectly willing to kill innocent people if it's convenient. They don't even have to be Palestinians, or Arabs, or even Muslims.

    "But it may come to the point that they will do what they have to do. "

    What they have do do is work for peace instead of territory. What they have to do is work to raise the Palestinian people from the poverty Israel has inflicted on them.

    What they will probably do is keep on killing, until the rest of the world gets sick of it.
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    HMMM.......considering all the wars, deaths and fighting that has gone on for 2+ millennium, maybe the world might be "BETTER OFF WITHOUT THE BIBLE" and/or Qur'an (Koran).
    Apparently that God(s) are either don't exist or truly believes that man makes his own destiny and has a perverted sense of humor.......
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    I wonder if a body count could be made of how many people in history have been slaughtered in the name of one religious icon or the other? Christians decry the Muslims for killing Christians when even in Christian history they slaughtered Muslims. Then you have the situation in places like Iraq now where they are killing each other at an astounding rate. Makes what we did in there shadows in comparison. Jews, Arabs are all of the same race just different tribes. Sometimes the Israeli's are just as fanatic as their counterparts. The feud has gone on for so long no one really remembers what it was about. When you oppress people for so long eventually they will take umbrage.
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    You want body counts, Islam is by far leading the way... Of course you'd know this is you actually studied history instead of posting hyperbole...
  • #138
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    @Allah_speaking

    Your choice of name is offensive, since you are claiming to speak for God.

    Oh, and I am a Catholic, so shove any accusations of being a Muslim.

    Christianity has had a long time to build up the count, I would bet it's close if not ahead.
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    @BobFromDist9 Sorry Bob, but you are offensive, not to mention lazy for not checking your statement before writing it down.

    >Christianity has had a long time to build up the count, I would bet it's close if not ahead.

    Whats the wager? You quit writing stupid statements? Turn off the internet? Go back and actually study history?

    Africa
    Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
    120 million Africans

    Christians
    The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10]. A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
    60 million Christians

    Hindus
    Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India.[Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
    80 million Hindus

    Buddhists
    Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million.[David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]
    10 million Buddhists

    Jews
    Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

    This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

    Your turn...
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    @Allah_speaking

    "Sorry Bob, but you are offensive, not to mention lazy for not checking your statement before writing it down."

    Sorry God_speaking, but you are offensive for your method of responding.

    ">Christianity has had a long time to build up the count, I would bet it's close if not ahead."

    "Whats the wager? You quit writing stupid statements?"

    No, you quite writing stupid statements.

    "Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188]"

    I have between damn little and no respect for Thomas Sowell. However, the point was killed by Islam, not bu Muslims. IOW religious killings. I would bet, by comparison, far more people were killed by Buddhists, simply because there are far more Buddhists, and have been for far longer. That doesn't make it Buddhist Jihad.

    "The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. "

    What happened to the rest of India?

    "dhimmis"

    The only restrictions I recall on dhimmis was to pay the tax. Being servants was not required. Nor is it today.

    You don't make clear your distinction between Christians martyred and those killed in wars of Jihad.
    How many killed in Christian Jihad?

    Since I knocked off your 120 million immediately for the Slave trade, since they were not killed in a religious war, your number becomes completely unsupportable.

    IOW, don't expect anyone to believe what you believe.
  • #47
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    Again, an ancient group of papers dictates to a whole world of how and why they should live, reproduce, believe in, adhere to, obey and face eternal damnation, from a special group of men that had to satisfy their need for complete control over everyone. This is completely a bunch of bolder-dash in any one's eyes that are willing to open them. Human beings transcribed this book and therefore it is full of opinions and human error and cannot be said to come from any higher power in anyone's highest light of fancy. The world has been hoodwinked by religion for too long to change so we will all suffer from the stupidity that has allowed us to exist this long.
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    "This is completely a bunch of bolder-dash in any one's eyes that are willing to open them. "

    I thought it was balder-dash.
  • #199
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    @BobFromDist9 I stand corrected but I will continue to denounce the infallibility of this book as interpreted by human hands.
  • #64
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    Israel tried to be a one nation state but the Palestinians wouldn't have it. They want the destruction of Israel.
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    Hamas supports the one state solution last I heard.

    "They want the destruction of Israel. "

    Israel wants the destruction of Palestinians, so that's a fair trade.
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    @BobFromDist9
    The one nation solution for Hamas is the destruction of Israel.
    Israel has never called for the destruction of Palestine. They have taken defensive measures to protect their citizens.
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    @AceLuby
    No need the Israelis have not opposed a one nation state but they refuse to bow to the Muslims and be barred from practicing their religion.
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    @AceLuby
    By the way you might want to look at the History book yourself. During the revolution to expel Britain Israel was more than happy to have one nation but the Muslims would not have it. They were happy to let the Israelis die fighting to help free them but could not live in peace with the Israelis that was the entire reason for the 1948 partition.
  • #51
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    I don't agree Israel would be better off without the Bible, but on the other hand, I also believe the reports that tell me demography is now on Israel's side. Annexation and naturalization is looking better all the time it would seem.
  • #17
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    The bible crowd is going batshit over this, but even biblical scholars admit that, outside of the bible, there is zero evidence for Genesis or Exodus. Therefore, there is zero evidence for the concept of "holy land."
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    @Knightkore You have no idea what a source should be. You may as well quote yourself. Using those sources is as stupid as saying the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true - quite a ridiculous attempt.
  • #46
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    @SamSpade The ridiculous attempt is all on your side.....what is this supposed to be a intelligent rebuttal? Oh there is a butt in alright....and it is stinks as such.....how about intelligent dialogue? From an atheist I doubt it.....
  • #87
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    Then why do they want it's occupiers killed so bad, why do they want the land so bad? No oil there, the people with oil want them dead. Tell them it's silly, let the Jews have it.
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  • #90
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    We would all be better off if we stopped kiling each other while thinking god's on our side because it says so in some ancient text...
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    There is wisdom to be gained in all these writings; part of that wisdom might be to see that there are some good ideas to consider and a lot of polemics and dogma that would be better left ignored...
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    Yeah, and you just summed up the entire religious quandary. Who gets to decide which parts are good ideas and which to ignore? That's why different religions and different denominations within religions even exist.
  • #34
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    Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, yet the author blames the bible?

    Mao Zedong, V Lenin, and Joseph Stalin thought the world would be better off without the bible as well.
  • #140
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    Israel is a republic. Until they give everyone under their authority equal right to the vote, they are only a limited democracy.

    Iran is democracy, BTW.
  • #144
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    They are a Jewish state with the farce of a 'democracy'. It's why Jews get more govt protections than Muslims and why the Israeli govt does everything in its power to increase the number of Jews living there while making it almost impossible for non-Jews to locate there. It makes it far easier to ensure a huge Jewish majority.
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    @TigerLandSC
    I have read it...just don't believe in fairy tales...and...I wasn't saying we should ban bibles...but it would have been better for the human race if they had never existed in the first place...maybe people would have actually cared about this world and not FANTSYLAND
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    @TigerLandSC
    how about her?...no goddesses....oh, that's right all major religions are masochistic ...amazing women...buy into them....I felt most pagan religious...the ones that Christians copied poorly as they killed Pagans...were much more spiritual...Many were based upon earth-based spirituality...you know Mother Nature
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  • #329
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    We'd ALL be better off without the bible, the quran and any other books that claim a mythical god has given one group special rights or superiority over any other group. People are killing other people over a fantasy - isn't it time we outgrew this nonsense ? Getting rid of religion wouldn't eliminate all the strife but it would be a good start - and at least people would have to come up with some other justification for war, discrimination etc. than 'my god told me to'.
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