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    If it had been a Muslim congress member passing out a Quran, the conservatives here would be up in arms. Just saying...

    Government employees in general (let alone legislators!) have no business proselytizing their religious beliefs.
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    The Founding Fathers, whose people left England and Europe to escape the powerful influence of religion on the state, would be perfectly appalled that a member of the body they created, the U.S. Congress, would be introducing one particular religion back into our decision making. This is completely asinine. Religion must be removed from the public square, not brought back into it. Next we'll be stoning women or making them wear scarlet letters. The Republican Party is a nuthouse.
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    @thismonkey Well I appreciate you assuming something that I never said , however we are not talking about invisible sky wizards we are talking about the establishment clause. Perhaps there is another thread on here talking about invisible sky wizards perhaps you can find it.
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    @Newsdoctor Im not chief justice Roberts but thank you for considering that I might be.
    Ok so I will explain it to you.
    Here is the text as a reminder 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;'
    The establishment clause does a few things. It prevents congress from passing laws establishing a religion . giving out a bible is not legislation.
    The second part prohibits the government from the free exercise of religion.. obviously nothing broken there.
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    He should have sent something more appropriate, like a copy of the US Constitution, specifically Article I sections 1-9.

    Now, get back to D.C. and DO YOUR F@#&ING JOBS!
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    @BobSmith

    Maybe not so much "religion"...but God and His Word can't hurt...they'd be miles ahead if they just read Proverbs and little else.
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    @BobSmith religion has a place. Its called a house of worship. Not in a state house, not in any government affairs. History and current affairs should tell you that religion and government don't mix. History.....how about the Inquizition? Modern times..... The Middle East. Sure it isn't Christianity in the middle east, but there have been some pretty rotten things done in the name of Christianity, i.e. the Inquisition.
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    Actually some of the greatest scientists of all time were deeply associated with the Catholic church. Also as for war, fuggedaboutitit. Few people know how to wage war like the deeply religious.
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    @Yank Some of the greatest scientists were also locked in prison or forced to run away under threat of death because of the Catholic church too.
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    Did he pay for this or was it on the taxpayer's dime? And how does this sit with does that are not of the Christian faith?
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    When I was in elementary school we had bible readings. They were always from the King James Bible, a protestant text. I am Catholic, and back then the KJV was not acceptable to us. As a child I was imposed upon by the self righteous who thought their bible was what we all should read.

    I want to know, what bible did he distribute? I'd bet it was the KJV. If I was one who received it I would send it back with a note saying, if he had any respect for any other person's beliefs he would have asked if that person wanted to receive it, and which version.

    To this day I remember the principle walking into our classroom and telling us there would be no more readings or teacher led prayers. I was much relieved.

    The is no rule to stop you from praying in school, privately, without disturbing others, no rule to prevent you reading your bible in any free time or silent reading time.

    There is a rule against official religious readings and prayers, and for good reason. Keep church and state separate for the good of both.
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    BobFromDist9 - Agree completely. However, as one comedian (I think) once put it.
    (OR maybe it was one of Reagan's speech writers). As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.
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    @Knightkore was he the one who had slaves as well? Or was that Thomas Jefferson?

    The point being that just because the founding fathers did it, doesn't make it right. They're founding fathers-no saints.
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    @PauldenZangpo They KNEW what their intentions were far better that atheistic bigots trying to silence christians that they hate.....
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    A collection of scribblings glorifying kings and megalomaniacs, handed out to people allegedly dedicated to secular democracy.

    Something more foolish I cannot fathom.....
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    The incest portions are pretty cool too. Also, stoning people that work on Sundays--how THAT one keeps getting overlooked is beyond me.
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    I'd burn it in front of him.

    "Help in decision making" ... so death penalty for adulterers? Are all the female congressmen and senators to resign, since they can't have authority over a man? Are we going to kill gays now? Are they going to ban pork and wearing two different kinds of fabric and shellfish?
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    So a constituent provided them, great, at least the taxpayers didn't buy them. But this letter is on official letterhead, was probably printed on official computers, and mass copied same. How were they delivered? Did he hand deliver in his off duty time? or were they mailed? Or distributed through official mail channels by his staff, meaning the taxpayers paid for some of this. I'm all for you practicing your religion on your time, but its just that, your religion. Stop trying to foist it off on others and possibly using taxpayer money to do it in what appears to be an official capacity since he put it on letterhead.
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    What he dos on his own time, with his own money is his own business. As long as he wasn't using taxpayer dollars to pay for the bibles, it's perfectly fine.
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    Very asinine! Its one thing to suggest your colleagues look to the blBible while pondering complex decisions. But I found it overkill to send out 436 Bibles I'm sure MOST already own a bible and the rest can easily acess one. This is just a political stunt to feed the trolls.
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    And it definitely would not help in decision making as there is no advice in the bible about such entities as Congress and Parliament or modern American politics or political parties; in fact, there couldn't be because the bible was written almost 2,000 years before the United States of America even existed.
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    BritAustenpal - About the only thing that will help the 'decision making' of some of the 'far-right' in the Republican party, would be a lobotomy.
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    @e065702be

    These days you have to be grateful for the small things.

    Abuse of franking privilege and congressional resources is so common as to be hardly worth noticing.

    At least we didn't pay for the books.
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    Cincinnatus - You can bet he didn't pay for them himself. But I bet the stationary, and his staffer's time to do the letters, and distribute the bibles WAS paid for by the taxpayers.
    Aww..... What the heck. We can shut down the government to the tune of 24 million, and hold numerous Benghazi, and IRS hearings, and spend several million on a frivolous lawsuit, so what's the big deal about (at least the expense part) of this?:-)
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    "Appropriate"? I suppose doing so was within his rights. Kinda like sending coal to Newcastle.

    That would help me decide to join a different party.
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    Violate the Constitution? How?? This country was founded on the Bible. We wouldn"t be in the crisis we"re in today if the AH"s running this country would at least stand w/ the Ten Commandments.
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    @MargaretK no, it was not founded on the bible. It was founded on Judaic law, Eastern philosophy, Athenian Democracy and even Islamic law. Add to that the "new" way of thinking that was going on at the time (the Age of Enlightenment) and you have a most decidedly secular base formed for this country.
    BTW if they followed the 10 commandments they'd all be out of a job and most of them would be stoned (and not in a good way).
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    @MargaretK "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" Treaty of Tripoli, Pres John Adams 1796
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    Not a one of them would follow the example of Christ; our society and Capitalism is rooted in sin according to the Bible. Greed was to be avoided folks--it is actively encouraged! Lust, covetousness, bearing false witness, and materialism makes big money-How much more hypocrisy do we need?
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