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    @PoliticalSpice
    Really political spice? I've been a republican for several decades and I believe whole heartedly in evolution. Do not confuse the know nothing Christian fundamentalists with the Republican party. Many of them vote Republican just as many radical left wingers vote Democratic. That does not mean all Democrats are communists or socialists (or atheists) does it?
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    @richstacy Listen, I "get" your sentiment, but no. When your party starts denouncing the utter BILE coming from your party's extreme faction, then maybe we can talk. For now though, your party allows the extremists to ride roughshod right over the top of them, and they bend over every time the tea party squeals. We've sat and watched this for the last six+ years and frankly, we're out of patience and understanding.
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    @richstacy Now, now. That is not fair. You wrote a reasonable, thoughful comment. Now I must respond in kind. Not fair at all! LOL.

    Actually, you are speaking of traditional republicans: Eisonhower, Nixon, Ford. Folks who were thoughtful leaders. Folks who policies I disagreed with, protested and constantly criticized, but they had a brain. They had certian values which we all shared. They were not in a hallucinatory and delusional state from attending that strange brew of tea that many republicans seem fond of these days.

    Policy wise I think sone of the best presidents we have had were Jefferson, Lincoln, Theodrore Roosevelt, FRD, JFK & Carter (I know, carters not the popular choice). Three out of the six were republicans. Now, having forced that confession, you have succeeded in destroying an image I spent years creating. Ba Hum bug!

    :)
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    @Iggie7589
    The bile I see comes at least as much form the left as from the right. comments such as "and they bend over every time the tea party squeals."
    I suppose you are aware that traditional non-nutty republicans have been kicking Tea Party butt in the primaries this years right? Meanwhile your party is dominated by ultra leftists like Obama, Pelosi Reid and Warren. I notice no moderates defeating that crowd.
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    "If you tell people from Alabama, Mississippi or Georgia,'You know what, guys, we've been wrong, and we're gonna be the pro-gay-marriage party,' they're either gonna stay home or - I mean, many of these people joined the Republican Party because of these social issues. So I don't think we can completely flip."

    It's an honest enough answer, and it does remind that American politics is a reflection on Americans.

    It's not pretty.
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    You can't go against the southern bigot vote and win nationally in the gop. Yeah, we figured that already Rand. Just surprised to hear you say it out loud. I still don't respect you though.
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    @frigginhell This is the definitiin of "political whore"--even knowing omething should change, you don't do it because you might lose an election. Maybe if you're supporting bad things, you shouldn't GET votes.
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    @cpeter133 Rand is the king of this. It's like asking Hilary about surveillance that are considered top secret that he voted on and knows they exist. Then when they come to light (again) asking for her impeachment because she denied knowing about them when he knew about them himself. He has no spine. He has no backbone. He has no morality worth mentioning. He asked about secret detention facilities ran by the CIA to Clinton as well but not to Petreaus. You gotta wonder why that is. The man is the very definition of a tool. Before he was a Senator complaining about Medicare and Medicaid he was a doctor making a very comfortable living off of both.
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    There is no logical reason to oppose gay marriage. The gay people want it, and unless you yourself are gay it doesn't affect you. The politicians haven't passed it because they are milking it to get votes. And well... marriage comes with economic benefits. To deny that to people that want to marry the same sex would be to deny them equal treatment under the law. Equality for all is very important to this country. The only way to possibly argue against gay marriage would be to eliminate all tax benefits that come with marriage, for everyone, and then proceed.
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    The tax benefits have very little to do with it. There's the issue of children, inheritance, home buying, hospital visits, etc...

    A marriage contract binds two people not related so that they are related in the eyes of the law. Getting rid of that contract totally is nonsensical.
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    Evolution tends to favor those willing to change. I know I would be more likely to vote Republican if I didn't believe that their social positions just discovered the 20th Century.
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    @falco_alba - LOL! Yes, but it goes to your statement that evolution favors change... So, in this instance, we are talking more De-evolution...
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    It doesn't have to flip. It doesn't have to start going to gay block parties or gay bars or gay rights marches.

    All they have to do is stop imposing second class citizenship on them.
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    @DogLady_1 Oh my, typo said God point, instead of Good point. How much confusion will that cause in a discussion about gay marriage!! Lol.
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    Yeah they never should have flipped on interracial marriage and women having the right too. See what that slippery slop got you? Man on Man (and Woman on Woman) marriage.

    Get with the times Republicans. You don't have to be Pro-Gay, just don't be Anti-Gay.
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    @BobSmith I'm not saying it's normal hunky dory. I don't have to in order to recognize the rights of two citizens to marry.
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    Just six years ago, both Obama and Hillary said marriage should be one man and one woman. Then when it seemed there was a large, activist voting block there, they both flip-flopped. Just a reminder to the self- righteous.
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    Yes but flip flopping seems to be forgiven when you are in the D elite. it wont be forgiven for an R I really doubt
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    Having a bigoted view, then seeing your error and correcting it is not something that I hold against anybody. The shame is with the bigot that remains a bigot, even after being educated of the facts.
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    They changed their views, looked toward the future, and broadened their minds, and were rewarded with more votes and a larger voting block.

    Republicans however want to stay closed minded, live in the past, and never change a thing, and they will be rewarded with what they deserve, lost elections, infighting, and a dwindling voter base, losing more and more support every year.
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    I think everyone acknowledges this...remember, we the people too evolved at an amazing speed too, not just Politicians. The world is spinning faster than anyone ever imagined, and you can't blame folks who want to get off that dang thing. Change causes fear, and overwhelmingly fast change causes terror.
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    Notice that he's not talking about any principles, he's talking about branding.

    If the GOP is reduced to being just a brand, marketing itself differently to different demographics, why do we need it any more?
  • #137
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    The very reason I don't trust rand paul as I did his dad. Rand Paul lacks principle. This is but another example. Flip flopping on Israel, endorsing romney, walking out of Iowa restarant when an Dream voter approached the table, accepting donations from a guy who stoumpted the head of someone protesting at a Rand Paul event. No priniples. That means when he gets into office we have no clue what campaign policies he will stand by, and which he will discard. Shame he's such a disappointment, I would have voted for his dad had he been nominated in 2008. Doubt I could ever vote for this guy.
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    Sometimes it just sucks being a Republican, I guess. The breathtaking speed of America's opinion about Gay Marriage rights, changing from a minority approval to a majority approval in the comparative eyeblink timeline of only 10 years, is part of what has abjectly terrified the GOP and their rank and file.....and as well, a lot of other Americans, in general. In the old days, cultural change happened ever so slowly.....but those days are gone gone, gone now as the Internet and everyone's instant communications capability has increased a thousandfold.
    As well, the Millenials willbe demanding these changes..........

    This new ability to change the popular America mindset so quickly is what worries the Old Guard.....and as soon as the Left regains both houses (2016) we could actually see rapid waves of Progressive change transforming America in a speed no one would ever imagined possible. The worst thing though, from a Republican standpoint, is that the GOP is virtually powerless to stop that coming change...and it will be a harbinger of a slew of very, very awkward retrenchment of policy and positions the GOP is currently unwilling to even stomach, much less plan, evolve, and implement into te GOP platform.......or begin now to take real action to deal with.
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    Like hell they can't. Both parties had to "Evolve" over civil rights during the 60's and 70's. And both parties managed to win election in those decades. People stayed home, but they came back out next time around because they realized that if they don't vote (or vote for men like George Wallace) they'll always be in the minority. The Christian right in the south is still going to come out and vote if the GOP supports same-sex marriage, because they don't want Democrats to win.

    The GOP supporting LGBT rights won't cost them that many votes. The voters they think they'll lose will still vote red, because as much as they hate the gays.... they'll always hate liberals more. It's not a matter of the GOP can't change, but they don't want to change. But if they don't 2004 might be their last win for a while, you can't win on the conservative vote alone. American politics switches from more liberal to more conservative every 20 years or so.... can the GOP risk 20 years of Democrats?
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    They start supporting icky immoral relationships that are unBiblical, they will NEVER get my vote as Democrats don't now....
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    @Knightkore "They start supporting icky immoral relationships that are unBiblical, they will NEVER get my vote as Democrats don't now..."

    Said most southern conservatives in the 60's..... but you know replace democrats with republicans.
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    @Knightkore I love how people reference the Bible when they run out of things to say. Because you follow the Bible to its fullest extent? Please don't quote me Leviticus. Or twist around passages to make yourself feel better.
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    Stubborn bigots are still the base of the Republican Party.....that's what he really wanted to say.
  • #10
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    For now, Rand; for now. But eventually, if the G.O.P. wants to remain relevant. Just like with mixed race marriage.
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    @HoraceGreely

    "the junior senator from Kentucky is considered the early front-runner, "

    Really? By whom?
  • #109
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    @HoraceGreely
    You could have read my post a few days ago and gotten the same thing.

    Looks like these folks plagiarized me. But it happens often.
  • #119
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    @HoraceGreely - Wouldn't that story be considered more of the story, not "the truth behind this story"?

    The article you cited did not refute anything in the Politix article.

    And Rand Paul didn't "run away from immigrant activists"! The article you cited is making up its own "truth"!
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    Paul picks how he feels about issues solely on what will get him votes. I don't think we know exactly who he is. However, granting equal rights and freedom to gay people should be the way to go. It may cost you votes, but why not do what is right?
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    @Now_What

    Equality is marriage means the same for everyone.

    Freedom is being able to marry whoever you want.

    Marriage is inherently one man and one woman. In 50 states people can marry whoever they want. Because there is no valid gay marriage and never can be, defining marriage as one man and one woman does NOT violate freedom or equality.
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    @BobSmith I believe it does. Marriage does not have to be one man and one woman, it has to be two consenting adults. Freedom is marrying the consenting adult that one chooses.
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    So much for Rand's Libertarianism. It's just another vote counter who'd flip his beliefs for votes. At least his dad was consistent.
  • #303
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    the GOP (and the Dems) need to get on board with getting the government at all levels out of marriage. no permission slips to declare my comitment to a life partner. the declaration should be all that is required, and government's only role is to recognize the legal aspects of that declaration.
  • #302
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    Does it really matter?? We have important things that have been on the agenda for the last six years that are still exactly where they started. Take a poll on current problems, not anticipated flips and stumbles!!
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