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  • #14
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    Keith Ellison also thinks not paying your parking tickets is a civil right, cheating on your sick wife is a civil right, not disclosing your political contributions is a civil right and a $10,000 trip to Mecca, paid by a designated terrorist group is a civil right.
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    I kant believe he says there are no Islamic terrorists and gets away with it. Minnesotans, MA and CA elect the craziest people.
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    Cheating on your sick wife already is a civil right. The government has no say in how you manage your relationships, and neither does the other person in your relationship. The only person who can tell you what to do with your relationships is you.
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    @something287 except that you need to get a permission slip from your local courthouse in order to marry. government _should_ have no say in how you manage your personal relationships. we've already gone too far down that road.
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    What a shock, a Democrat trying to get more big Union money while fighting to stop American businesses from contributing to campaigns. HYPOCRITES as always.
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    You do realize that Unions have almost no money and hardly any influence in the vast majority of elections today and that business invests billions and billions to make sure their politicians are bought and paid for? If you think unions are more than a shadow of what they once were, you're living in the 1960s.
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    Unions follow the same rules as any American business. If you support one, but not the other it is YOU that's a hypocrite.
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    @JackJ
    Public unions, those supported by tax money, have enough power to keep Democrats in office in every large city that is plagued with crime and poverty. Google it!
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    First off there shouldn't be "public" unions but that position aside the vast majority of public unions are cops and they're almost exclusively right-wing republicans even here in Chicago. There simply aren't that many of them, only 20,000 in a city of almost 3 million. Private sector unions have been almost wiped out by anti-union legislation and that's why our standard of living has dropped from the best in the world to 37th today.

    Admittedly, unions have a tendency to go off the deep end just like conservatism does but we need them to a far greater degree than they're present today. We may not want to go all the way back to the 1960s but we certainly need to stop the obscene influence that corporations have on the politicians of this country today at the expense of the American public. Our standard of living today is approaching third world status and that trend needs to be reversed.
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  • #153
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    Absolutely...American workers can belong to a union if the want to. But, there is a process to unionize a business operation. If people want to belong to a union they can go out and organize one, hold meetings, drink beer, swap wives and husbands, trade dogs, play poker, shoot hogs.....in short, do anything that is not illegal. What they cannot do is disrupt a business operation unless they first organize the workforce there, vote in a union and negotiate a contract. And, if they are in a right to work state they cannot force any worker there to join.
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    The Governor of Minnesota Mark Dayton unionized daycare in the state with his pen recently. Progressives chip away at the Constitution slowly, but relentlessly.
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    Unions are the reason "Right-to-work" laws were enacted. Heavy handed 'thuggish' tactics are no secret in their history from the beginning.

    "If you are employed in one of the 24 states that has a Right to Work law, you are probably protected by the state's Right to Work law and cannot be required to join or pay dues or fees to a union.(There are a small number of exceptions to the basic rule that individuals who work in Right to Work states cannot be required to pay to join or pay dues or fees to a union. Employees of airlines and railroads, and employees working on property subject to exclusive federal jurisdiction, cannot be required to join a union, but may be required to pay union fees." This is called buying your job from the union!

    The following states have a Right to Work law:

    Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming. And may they continue to grow at the behest of those that don't what any part of unions!
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    @S-N-A-F-U "buying your job from the union"? What happened to the company being the one who gives you a job?
    Your rhetoric is inconsistent. Shocking.
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    @TrumanSparks

    Of course, all jobs depend on the employer/owner, especially in the private sector. Some jobs overseen by the feds require one to pay union dues, not necessarily join the union. My insertion; "This is called buying your job from the union!" Sarcasm was intended!
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    @S-N-A-F-U

    Oh, boy. A Right-to- Work state. You know what that REALLY means, don't you? It means the Right-To-Get-Fired-For-Any-Rea son-Whatsoever-With-No-Recours e.

    Lived in these states all my life. I've seen the unfairness of so-called Right-to-Work. Workers have NO support for anything.
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    Unions certainly have the right to present their case to prospective enrollees. They DON'T have the right to force unionization on employees who want no part of them. That includes dues checkoff.
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    I agree but anyone in a union shop that doesn't pay their dues are freeloaders and bums. Unions are one of the few things that stand between the working man and slavery. Unions should be supported, but maybe watched a little closer, a lot of temptation handling all that Union business, pensions and stuff.
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    @freelancehobo

    Nobody who wants no part of a union should be required to join it to get a job. Dues checkoff amounts to theft.

    Unions should be required to sell themselves.
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    Yes people should pay their dues voluntarily. The labor laws should be enough to sell the union if it is a good union. I worked at a VA hospital for two years, the first people to run for union help were non union workers and the union had to represent them. I think if you are non union you shouldn't get the benefits including the pay.
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    @gammler - "Nobody who wants no part of a union should be required to join it to get a job. Dues checkoff amounts to theft. "

    So is receiving the benefit or collective bargaining without paying for it.

    If they want to give up their rights to stay out of joining a union, then they should be allowed to do that, but RTW laws are designed to help destroy unions. Fact is, in states with those laws, wages and benefits are lower than in more union-friendly states.
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    If dues can not be required then unions should be allowed to negotiate that they will receive pay and benefits not provided to nonmembers. Otherwise you're letting people mooch off the efforts of the union.

    And it's the Republicans always supporting these 'right to work' laws. I thought that Republicans were against handouts.
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    So... this is what Civil Rights have been watered down to. Congratulations. Something that was meant for greatness is now exploited like every fucking thing else.
  • #252
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    Let me guess, you want a "free market"... how is taking away the workers right to assemble and bargain for better treatment and dignity NOT an unfair market regulation?
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    @thismonkey

    Excuse me....just where is the "right to assemble and bargain for better treatment" being removed? Or, put another way, what happened to the right of "free association", in which individuals have the right to associate with WHO THEY WANT TO, instead of being FORCED to "associate" with a bunch of extortionist thugs?

    Put another way, unions TAKE AWAY an individuals right to NEGOTIATE FOR HIMSELF...and, for many workers (primarily the most valuable and cost-effective ones) the ability to negotiate for one's self, and NOT be lumped with the run-of-the-mill union worker is quite important. But THAT'S a right that unions want abolished; it seems they can't stand the competition.

    Big surprise,'eh?
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    @KMeyer "in which individuals have the right to associate with WHO THEY WANT TO, instead of being FORCED to "associate" with a bunch of extortionist thugs?" You mean the government? Or the Corporations? Please list the ways in which Corporations, Banks, and the Government are any less of extortionist thugs? And please tell me, who stands up for the working man, EVER? Not Corporations, Not Banks, Rarely the Government... UNIONS do.
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    So workers shouldn't have the right to assemble, or leave their job all at once? They are property of their employer and should not ave minds of their own?
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    @thismonkey
    Unions serve one purpose and one purpose alone.
    Drive the prices up for everyone else.
    Most unions are indeed radicals.
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    @thismonkey

    Of course they are property. Businesses should be able to work you 16 hours a day for .10 an hour 7 days a week digging rocks with your bare hands in the freezing snow and you should have absolutely no right to complain.
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    @PayThatCEO Yeah and the individual worker has no right to say anything about it, or assemble with his workers to organize bargaining efforts, because the constitution doesn't apply when you're an employee.
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  • #7
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    Having any job in America is a privilege and not a right. All Unions are good for today is to further create feelings of entitlement and victimization.
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    A job is a privilege? An interesting viewpoint, given that unless one was fortunate enough to be a trust-fund baby, it's pretty hard to live without one. So if you deem someone unworthy of the "privilege" of earning a living, what do you suggest they do to maintain themselves?
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    @RoyFloyd They get a job, which is a privilege. Their is no code of honor that states someone who is unemployable has to be hired, nor is their one that states they can't be fired. Having a job is (or was) something to be proud of. BECAUSE it's not a handout. It's your money! Well earned.
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    @HoraceGreely Got it. So if one can't get a job, how do you suggest they live? All I can think of is crime or welfare. Perhaps you've got other ideas.
  • #57
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    @RoyFloyd go in business for yourself. Or do something to make yourself employable. It's up to YOU to take care of yourself. No one owes you anything that you don't earn. I'm only going to hire people I want working for me. If they don't work I'm not keeping them.

    Where did you get the idea anyone owes you something?
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  • #43
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    What are being put across as "right to work" laws are NOTHING of the sort. But they WOULDN'T go over very well if they were called what they are - corporate rights laws. The right of business to decide what, employees earn. The right of business to decide what, if any, benefits package is offered. And the right of business to set hours at whatever works best for the business - without fear of overtime!
  • #50
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    Don't you want your business to be successful so that you can have a job? You can always start your own and use these laws to stay in business and keep people with jobs, no one and nothing is saying that you can't. Overtime is unlimited where I work and we have a benefits package in the top 5% of the country. It's amazing. I'm glad those right to work laws are in place so that the weak ones are weeded out and we can have these things.
  • #54
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    It would seem I was unclear. Companies, in general, exist to maximize profits. And that requires minimizing expenses. If these laws are enacted nation wide, company managers will be free to recind your benefits package, and eliminate overtime pay.
  • #150
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    @KentuckyJim - Hey genius! The only reason your company pays overtime, is because if they didn't they'd lose employees to union companies that do.

    If you think they pay overtime out of the goodness of their hearts, you're an idiot.

    I worked a salaried job, that called for several 24 and 36 hour days. I didn't get paid for those hours, and was expected to work them, or the company would simply replace me with someone who would.
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    @DragonHawk1959 - Your "Companies, in general, exist to maximize profits."
    is being too generous. In 99% of the cases, companies exist only to maximize profits.

    My wife and I own a small company. We pay our employees better than the competition. The employees also know what the company makes, and what I, and my wife make. We try to watch out for everyone. We once had an employee steal several thousand dollars, and she said, "I had some financial problems. I'm so sorry. You can afford it. You're rich." That's hardly the case. No one ever quits, unless they're moving out of town, or finishing school, and moving on to a more skilled position.

    We get by, despite the fact that we're regulated and taxed more than most businesses. Many days, we ask ourselves if it wouldn't be easier to sell the business and just work as an employee for someone else. I know a few other small businesses where the employees are treated very well by the company owners. Those companies are the exception. That's why unions should be allowed to organize.
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    @eyesonu
    I was attempting to avoid having to respond to posts by people bringing up so called nonprofit companies/organizations.
    The classification is badly named because they do in fact seek to maximize profit. They are allowed the classification because they are supposed to put all of their net profit back into the company. Those profits are calculated after deducting ALL expenses - including executive salaries equivalent to those of for profit company executives. And they receive government assistance for being "nonprofit."
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    you know the more this crap they try to label as a civil right pushes down martin luther king's accomplishments to the bottom of the barrel. I wonder how blacks feel about the way the left has diminished the civil rights movement by watering down its significance with all this trivial tripe. Its no surprise, this is the only way to advance an otherwise very unpopular agenda, like all of the lefts wishlist...maybe we should just negate all "civil rights" and make everyone equal.
  • #116
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    Tell me, are you unaware of exactly what Dr. King was doing when he was murdered?

    He was organizing a march on behalf of a LABOR UNION.
  • #249
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    How is allowing free citizens of the united states to assemble, bargain for better treatment from their employer, NOT a civil right already? Is free speech not protected? And as for all you "free market" crusaders who oppose unions... how allowing the workers to band together from a common goal NOT part of the "free" market ideal? Wouldn't banning unions be a regulation?
  • #75
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    Making it easier to enable unions is one of the best ways to reinforce the middle class. Standard and Poor has even admitted that the widening income inequality is affecting the ecomony and prolonging the recession. I see several comments about Democrats and union money - remember that organized labor is no more than about 20% of the work force, public OR private. That's the tale wagging the dog - where's the indignation for companies buying legislation or politicians?

    The middle class needs the help.
  • #10
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    The right hates it when people come together. People have come together for the common cause since the beginning of history, it is what gave birth to this Nation. United workers in the United States, left but it is so right.
  • #52
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    Most workers need a leader. That's the guy that risked everything he had, and still does, to make sure they have a job. It's not that they need it so much as they want it. And everyone in that picture if they were worth anything could and should actively pursue other employment immediately rather than standing around crying holding a sign. Hopefully they don't have families to support.
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    @KentuckyJim
    Don't know much about Unions do ya? Ever hear of a strike fund? And those men are doing much more than some punk that cuts and runs. There improving work for themselves and those who follow them.
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    @freelancehobo Unions serve no purpose. I have heard of a strike fund and I've also heard of people that just decide they need to get a job too. I support the people that want to support their families.
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    If they want this for private sector unions, fine...public sector, oh HELL no! I have no problems with private sector unions...no one is forcing you to purchase their products.

    Public sector unions (i.e. NEA) are funded through taxation. Try not paying your property taxes and see what happens!
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