• #4
    These are the kinds of people that so often become cops. Public servants do work for us. If you can't take being called a name without resorting to violence, you are a lot of what gives you the bad name. You weren't tough without your weapons so you decided to get some from the government and pretend to yourself that you are. Citizens have rights and if you can't deal with that, you should have your badge ripped from you. Having a badge, a gun and a fancy 30,000 salary doesn't make you a God...sorry.
  • #9
    And if they end up getting shot then one can conclude that the vast bulk deserved that bullet. It's a process known otherwise as "natural selection".
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  • #7
    "if you don't want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you."

    Yes, my Führer...this guy...sounds like he should be running an S&M club....but certainly shouldn't be a homeland security professor...or a cop
  • #87
    It's a bigger problem if you have more than one cop barking contradicting commands. "Get on the ground!" "Don't move!" "Take a step back!", "Put your hands on your head!", "Put your hands behind your back! " "I said don't move!!!"
  • #141
    @N0rthman I once witnessed a victim of police terrorization being told by an officer to "keep your hands where I can see them!" "show me your id!" When he goes to get his id, "keep your hands where I can see them!" So not only are some cops scary and most often afraid hence the gun in your face, they are also not so bright.
  • #158
    Yavul mine Furher!!! This is exactly the kind of bully that should not be a police officer, or have a weapon period. This kind needs an one way air fare to Germany and a oneway time machine to travel back to the the Glorious day's of the beginning of the Nazi regime so he can be the brown shirted jack booted thug he obviously wants to be. Doesn't the Government run these people through a psychological check out before they spend the money to train this kind of reprobate thug? They really need to crawl inside this kind's head prior to hire.
  • #178
    I guess that the best that a cop can do is to allow a thug, armed with a knife, to bash his face in so that he needs hospital treatment, and hope that the mob can doesn't kill you before a drawn-out trial proves once again that the law doesn't apply to 20% of the population?
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  • #3
    If the new brown shirts were a force that could be trusted sure the advice would be wise to follow but they are not in too many instances. To many of these egotistical cops get off on power and playing soldier in Americas streets.The thin blue line is hurting the good cops and citizens more now than ever.
  • #12
    The good cops need to start stepping up and forcing these dirt bags out. A blanket party comes to mind! I'm sure the police unions do not help either. Egotistical pricks representing egotistical pricks.
  • #16
    @Nemesis3X And sad that is the way it is today.Its as if they are no longer focused on their duty to protect and serve.To many have brought discredit to the badge of so many that have earned respect.
  • #61
    @cowboy67 I have but because they viewed them as responders does not make it right.The respect these guys once had is gone not only by the ruling but by to many of their actions.
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  • #44
    I understand that law officers have a job to do. But people like this and statements like these are exactly what gives them such a horrible name with so many people. He DOES work for us, as our taxes pay his salary. Please just get back to serving and protecting and everything else will work itself out.
  • #290
    This man makes a point badly and goes to far. You should at least attempt to be polite to the officer. If he makes a request of you that he doesn't have the right to do so, you should politely refuse. That includes identifying yourself or showing him identification if he doesn't have a reason sufficient to ask for them. Stopping you "just because" is not a reason. It shouldn't be tolerated. It shouldn't be defended.
    It's a thankless job. I don't envy them. That in itself isn't an excuse nor is it the only reason some behave as they do. However, being an asshole towards them always will turn even the best cop into a jerk eventually.
    Then again you have your clear cut abuse of power which is what we're seeing more of with the proliferation of video cameras.
  • #417
    @frigginhell um... why would even the worst cop bother to stop someone for no reason. why would they waste their time?

    and i think that maybe video cameras is part of the problem which is causing them to be constantly frustrated.
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  • #34
    Screw ALL police that take this attitude. When did our American police force become so deluded to think they actually had the right to subjugate law-abiding citizens? THIS type of illegal chest-beating by the Police is what gets squad cars blown to smithereens, and policepersons shot by folks who cannot control themselves or their ourage over the suppression of our Civil Rights.
  • #85
    @fscott777 you also have a right to not be harassed by police if you haven't done anything wrong. You have a right as a human to not get tazed, beaten, or shot because you ask another human a question. The police do not have a right to dominate everyone else. That's not their role. If they don't have legitimate reasonable suspicion, they DO NOT have jurisdiction over you.
  • #132
    @Slowmo @fscott777 is obviously an extreme fascist troll of some sort. Or he may just get off pissing ppl off in some anonymous board. In that case, LOL.
  • #186
    How about the civil rights of those of us who have our businesses looted by gangs; how about those of us that are injured or killed by thugs who believe that it is their right to do so "because we were slaves", and don't have jobs (Nor stick around to get educated).
    How about starting your own damned business???
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  • #2
    And this is why the cocky bastards that abuse their "power" tend to get shot - while the normal copper that walks his beat and only causes trouble for law breakers will join the ranks of the senior citizens many years from now.
  • #119
    If only this were true. Unfortunately these power-crazed idiots endanger every cop on the street, the vast majority of whom are decent men and women who joined the force to actually "protect and serve" their communities.
  • #127
    @FreedomWriter: Good point, but I might add it's not just a problem of having a few bad apples in a basket. It's bad apples that stay in the basket and infest other apples.

    We have a lot of descent cops that stay silent, don't protect citizens from abusive cops, and don't report bad cops - in my book they are just as guilty.
  • #164
    You're absolutely right, although I wouldn't characterize the silent good cops as being as bad as the abusive cops.

    I think they're caught between doing what they know to be the right thing and the "us against them" mentality that exists, to varying degrees, in any PD and which bonds cops into a self-protective group. I believe this problem is exacerbated by the continuing militarization of our police forces across the country.

    At any rate, someone at the top has to step forward and reverse this growing problem. I don't believe there is a bottom-up solution.
  • #175
    @FreedomWriter The 'silent good cops' aren't helping the situation. They are protecting the bad cops.
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    I agree, they're not helping in the least. This has always bothered me, especially since they're endangering themselves through their inaction.

    Some do the right thing (and pay the price)- check out Sgt. Daniel O'Neil of the St. Louis County PD ( , a few paragraphs down the page). I wish more of them showed his courage.
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  • #113
    This cop's militant anti-citizen attitude is the perfect expression of what's wrong with police in America today. This is the result of really terrible training, selection of officers psychologically unsuited to the job and police disciplinary programs that have allowed such cops to get away with treating citizens badly for years. It's time for a change.
    My experience is that most police officers are fine upstanding people, but if even 10% are like this jerk, we have a real problem in America.

    There is only one unforgivable sin that can be committed by ANY public servant, and that includes cops -- abuse of power. This idiot is pre-programmed to abuse power.

    He, and others like him are the reason we have changed our attitude toward the police from respect and gratitude to distrust and fear.
  • #116
    A police officer isn't a military officer. He doesn't have the authority or RIGHT to be obeyed without question. The Constitution of the United States gives US the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to question and challenge authority, when that authority is wrong. His attitude is what costs cities and towns so much money, in lost civil suits.
  • #437
    @IllinoisBoy you have the right to do that IN COURT. The police officers job is to enforce the law, not to cowtow to your excuses for why it doesn't apply to you or why you think you didn't break it.
  • #467
    If an officer is in the wrong, I'm not going to just "do what he says", because he has a badge. His authority ends where my Constitutional rights begin. "Sir, you need to let me search your vehicle". Like hell I do!
  • #11
    Doesn't always get you too far. Not too many judges will side with you over the cop if it is your word against his.
  • #21
    @Now_What Not to mention the difference between a Public Defender and the Super Friends assembly that OJ had during his criminal trial. One stands a chance of making a difference, the other hopes for a decent plea bargain.
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  • #83
    I don't agree with what this wanna be Rambo says , but I will not give the cops a reason to kill me if I don't have too .
    The problem is that so many don't need a reason. A man was killed here last year with witnesses that he was unarmed and handcuffed. One cop used a taser and the other officer shot him in the back. Then when the ambulance come and got him neither officer informed them that he had been shot. The ER doctor found the bullet wound in his back after he died. This was found a justified shooting after the officer said he thought he had pulled his taser but made a mistake. I don't know the excuse for not informing anyone of the gun shot before he died.
    So yeah, I'm scared to death of what the police get away with.
  • #474
    sad it too much to expect our LEO's to be truthful, ethical, moral people who conduct themselves with integrity . I vote-NO.
  • #82
    The police, just like everyone else should show respect to those they pull over! Police are in a position of power and should never abuse that position. I will show you respect as long as you show me respect. If you ask a person to do something that is against their rights, expect to be told no. You are not above the law or me. I have gotten a police officer fired for his witnessed treatment of me after an accident that was witnessed to not be my fault, so it was not my word against her word. He tried to cite me and the witnesses started yelling at him. The story goes on, but I already told the ending. So he really got himself fired. He was just turned in by more people than just me. My mother got the chief of police and 4 policemen fired for racially profiling my son and harassing him by pulling him over every time they saw him for made up reasons. The last time was it! My son refused to grant the officer permission to search his truck simply because the officer had no right to search it. My son had nothing to hide, he was just exercising his rights. The officer pulled him from the truck and threw him down behind his truck, away from the police car's surveillance and cuffed him face first on the pavement. He could have seriously injured my son because he has brittle bones from having a bone marrow transplant. That position was extremely painful for my son because he has avascular necrosis that is worse in his shoulders also from the BMT. He he lied about smelling marijuana smoke coming from the truck which was also the reason he wrote for pulling my son over. My mother met my son immediately after to get a drug test done to prove the officer lied. That way it was time and date stamped for directly after the incident. They paid for both a urine drug test and a blood drug test. The officer searched the truck using his made up reason or more like trashed it. My son is super organized. All the documentation regarding his truck was neatly in the glovebox and that day's paper work for his business were in files in the middle console. He had a capped bottle of Dr. Pepper in the cup holder, a child's car seat of his own for his little sister, his toolbox and his suede blazer hung up in back. That officer dumped every piece of paper from the files, pulled everything from the glove box, dumped out his tool box that was on the back passenger floorboard, pulled down his suede blazer and proceeded to spray the Dr. Pepper all over the strewn papers, his suede blazer and child's car seat. He didn't give him a ticket, there was nothing to ticket or arrest him for. My son took pictures of the inside of his truck and the key scratch going from the front to the back of the truck that wasn't there before he was cuffed on the ground. It was a brand spanking new four door, 4x4 loaded GMC Denali truck he bought the day before. The only good thing was that the leather was easily cleaned up. He had to use a carpet cleaner for the parts of carpet hit, do his best with the car seat, but his suede blazer and papers were ruined. So no, people are not going to always do what you tell them to if it is their right to refuse. If you retaliate like this officer did with my son, you too may end up flipping burgers at Burger King just like this now former officer is doinghg! He had made numerous complaints about these four policemen. When my mother and son went to the mayor with everything including pictures of bruises, the mayor fired the chief for not taking action and all 4 of the racial profiling, harassing officers. Our police are great now!
  • #22
    Whatever happened to 'protect and serve'???
    The Police officers Oath

  • #146
    This is exactly why I no longer have any respect for any cops. They have become worse than the thugs they were supposed to protect us from.
  • #326
    Much worse, because we are three times more likely to be killed by police in the USA than by criminals in any other developed economy. Three things a healthy society tries to avoid. Infestations of head lice, groin lice or po lice.
  • #376
    @MOpine Really? What an articulate rebuttal.
    Perhaps yopuu would like to take it up with the Economist?.

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    THE shooting of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old African-American, by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, is a reminder that civilians—innocent or guilty—are far more likely to be shot by police in America than in any other rich country. In 2012, according to data compiled by the FBI, 410 Americans were “justifiably” killed by police—409 with guns. That figure may well be an underestimate. Not only is it limited to the number of people who were shot while committing a crime, but also, amazingly, reporting the data is voluntary.

    Last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero. In 2012 the figure was just one. Even after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain’s population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014 the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period."

    or with Paul Craig Roberts (a year ago)?

    "The criminal psychopaths in Washington have squandered trillions of dollars on their wars, killing and dispossessing millions of Muslims while millions of American citizens have been dispossessed of their homes and careers. Now the entire social safety net is on the chopping bloc so that Washington can finance more wars.

    At the state and local level every American faces brutal, armed psychopaths known as the police. The “law and order” conservatives and the “compassionate” liberals stand silent while police psychopaths brutalize children and grandmothers, murder double amputees in wheel chairs, break into the wrong homes, murder the family dogs, and terrify the occupants, pointing their automatic assault weapons in the faces of small children.

    The American police perform no positive function. They pose a much larger threat to citizens than do the criminals who operate without a police badge. Americans would be safer if the police forces were abolished.

    The police have been militarized and largely federalized by the Pentagon and the gestapo Homeland Security. The role of the federal government in equipping state and local police with military weapons, including tanks, and training in their use has essentially removed the police from state and local control. No matter how brutal any police officer, it is rare that any suffer more than a few months suspension, usually with full pay, while a report is concocted that clears them of any wrong doing.

    In America today, police murder with impunity. All the psychopaths have to say is,“I thought his wallet was a gun,” or “we had to taser the unconscious guy we found lying on the ground, because he wouldn’t obey our commands to get up.”

    It seems that the bucolic aroma in the vicinity of your post may have been self-inflicted.
  • #401
    @MOpine : According to a recent report 400 police officers were cleared in fatal shootings in 2013
  • #484
    Your unblinking capacity to ignore all rebuttal facts and cling to your delusional perspective is consistent if not admirable.
    As for your putative blanket defence of police abuse, given the dismal state of the US injustice system, and the way most Americans fall over themselves to excuse police brutality, an officer would practically need to use a baton to fatally damage the rectum of a crippled women in her 90s in front of a rush hour crowd in order to not be "cleared" - and even then he could probably argue that her wheelchair might be used as a deadly weapon and evade any consequences whatsoever. Unless of course she was a gazillionaire, but they are not typically exposed to the same depredations as the balance of the population.
  • #27
    I'm pretty sure you can say what you want to a cop, including vulgar gestures. As long as it's not threats of violence you're pretty much good to exercise your first amendment right.
  • #48
    Good luck with those "vulgar gestures".....If taken as threatening, you won't like what (might) come next.
    You're right, but, have you ever been in an argument with someone and flipped them off? You just escalated that argument........
  • #373
    In some locations you can have charges pressed on you for public indecency, disturbing the peace, etc for vulgar gestures.
    Then there is the fact that, at close range, wild or forceful gesticulations can and often are reasonably believed to be an act of aggression. You suddenly stick your hand in the officersface to flip them off, and they can assume you are launching an attack and are perfectly justified in doing so. As a citizen, if someone were to stick their hands in my face, I would certainly assume I was being attacked, and I think if you are honest about it you would acknowledge you would do the same.
    This guy is way, way out of line. Dont get me wrong. However, being deliberately beligerant simply because you can will never result in anything good, and only serves to aggravate the problem. You can disagree with a person without getting abusive with them.
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  • #99
    If this goon has an attitude like this, he is obviously unsuited for police work. A police office needs to be able to remain calm in the face of name calling and arguing. This guy needs to be FIRED NOW before he becomes part of the next headline.
  • #90
    This point of view may not be appropriate, but it accurately reflects that of the majority of police officers. Wake up people! We are living in a police state run by the gestapo.
  • #152
    "Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"

    I'm sure Dutta truly meant "comply", or "submit". The bad news is that a majority of police training is teaching this exact mentality and the only way to stop it is for entire communities to go before their local governments and demand better. The mayor, city manager and chief of police should be given notice that this sort of brutality will not be accepted by the people who do pay their salaries.
  • #334
    Unfortunately, it won't happen. Single issue voting is almost always defeated by party politicing and the psychology of fear.
  • #184
    I wonder if this little Napoleon takes his own advice when he is stopped by police say for speeding or a busted license plate light or suspect DUI? My guess is not. He probably is one of these cops who when stopped by another cop immediately starts getting pissed that another officer would stop him for violating a traffic law and then not let him off when he finds out he is a police officer.

    It's because of idiots like this that I record all traffic stops and interactions with law enforcement and inform them of such before they begin with any questions.
  • #156
    So this is why you want to be a cop? So you can force people to do what you say no matter what? Its this kind of mentality that makes you hated.

    I know being a cop is dangerous and hard, but the badge isn't a get out a jail free card. Cops should not be able to do what ever the fuck they want. If that is the only reason why you are a cop, then you seriously shouldn't be a cop since you clearly can't do ur job.
  • #332
    It is a lie that being a cop is dangerous and hard. Riding around eating donuts might not be good for your arteries, but gas station clerks are much more likely to be injured or killed on duty - and are not paid nearly as well.
  • #534
    It would help if you got out of your cave and into the real world Hermit!
    Take a walk thru the Central Park in NYC some night,maybe
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