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    The instructor failed to exercise adequate control over the girl and/or the weapon she was firing. That said, I don't believe we need to pass a new law every time someone makes a mistake.
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    @samuel45
    No one helps by starting them on a light recoil and never standing in back of the shooter. just common sense. Uzi's are known to "climb". The problem is the girl was not ready for that climb and the instructor is too used to it to remember she is not trained yet.
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    The instructor should have known better than to give a young kid with no experience in firing the weapon to have it set for full auto. I've never touched one and know that!
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    This was not an accident, this was ignorance and stupidity. I learned to shoot before the age of 9 years but the guns I learned on after the BB gun was a single shot 22 and a 20 gauge double barrel shotgun. Even then my father a WWII veteran did not let me load both barrels until I achieve proficiency. The ignorance and stupidity of these parents will haunt this child for the rest of her life.
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    You don't know that anything stupid happen, it might have been something no one could have guessed, and we don't know that the girl might have shot lots of times, maybe not a Uzi, but we relly don't know much and the story and video tells us little. Bot you can bet the L will try to make hay out of it.
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    @jerbear
    Of course, the L will try to make hay out of it. The 'hay' in question is their point that gun safety is not a top priority of our gun-crazed citizenry. But, I guess you are right: no one could have guessed that the recoil of a submachine gun might be too much for a nine-year old.
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    Yes, I know that something stupid happened. This was a stupid preventable accident. A firearms expert, working for a local police dept, had a Mac10 that was used in a crime. He was supposed to get ballistics off the weapon, which included firing it. Policy with any automatic weapon is to fire it with one round in the chamber, he inserted a full magazine, pulled the trigger, the weapon fired, the trigger had less than a one pound pull, even holding the gun with both hands, the recoil pushed the weapon up and back, and the man took 3 rounds to the face, killing him instantly. So ya, anyone that works with weapons should know these basic facts, full automatic weapons are dangerous and should never be held by anyone without full knowledge of what they can do. STUPID AND PREVENTABLE.
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    Don't think it was the parents...I suspect the instructor left something out or was not paying proper attention to the training regimen for that gun.
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    Scanned the comments after voting...no one has mentioned the feelings of a 9 year old girl. She has witnessed the murder of a friend and/or mentor by her own hand...her innocence has been shattered.

    My thoughts are with her.
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    No one cares about the feelings of a 9 year old girl. It's all about the guns.

    Her parents are idiots. Like I said in another post, you take a 9 year old child to Disney World for vacation, not to a shooting range to fire Uzi's.
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    @PayThatCEO
    I second all of your emotions CEO...except that no one cares for the 9 year old's feelings...and I know you didn't mean it literally because I can read exactly how much compassion you have for her in your comments.

    Thanks.
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    @PayThatCEO it just shows the sheer ignorance of everything gun freaks are about.

    Why were they recording this in the first place? To make a political statement would be my guess
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    Not sure age is the thing.....some adults might not be able to control certain recoils.....

    However I would think training on something more basic first and then the uzi.....not sure proper judgement was used here.....
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    "Uzi fired by a nine-year-old girl he was training at a shooting range"

    Should a nine old ever be shooting an Uzi? and if you think...Yes...why?
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    If she's demonstrated safety with less-complex firearms, and IF the instuctor takes the precautions that this one didn't, why not?
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    Sure, if they want. But it's key that the magazine be downloaded to no more than one or two rounds, and an experienced adult must keep a hand on the weapon.
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    @AndrewMC@3fgburner
    I'm not saying it should be against the law for a 9 year old to shoot an Uzi....but...a little common sense....should be applied and most people...including many of your fellow gun enthusiast...would say it's a bad idea....this why guns laws are made....too many people don't use common sense.
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    A 12 gauge shot gun kicks hard, and could go flying out of your hand if not ready for it, I know, because since I was 8 years old I had one. But when I was 9 I went to a 20 gauge because they kick less. I hunted for Doves, quail, Pheasant, and ducks after school. I took my gun to school and kept it in the school cloak room, it was not loaded of course, and not once was it bothered. The Principal liked both my guns and ended up getting one like my 12 gauge. I have never seen an accident at a gun range by an adult or a child; I imagine it happens, if enough training goes on. No activity goes 100% without an accident. Once I was at a alter of prayer with several others, and a man tripped over a child while getting up. And I guess we should outlaw praying on your knees because you might have an accident. The liberals or Progressives will try to use this to come out again and again against guns, but it won’t fly. I suggest that the L not go and vote, they haven’t been trained well as of yet, they might hurt someone.
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    @3fgburner
    Simply because the accident itself showed that the physics was right for it to happen, training or not. Here is how this could easily happen: yellow jacket gets in little girl's face as she is firing: "instructor is killed by girl firing Uzi and frightened by a wasp."
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    Word. I started serious shooting (i.e. not just BB guns or air pistols) at age 10, in Boy Scouts, with .22 single-shot bolt action target rifles. Got to be pretty good, went to nationals and an international competition. But full auto when I was a short skinny n00b? That would have been a disaster. Just like this case.
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    I did not select "NO", I was moving the cursor to select "YES". No kid should be handling an "Uzi" under ANY circumstances. The instructor was careless and apparently did not understand the recoil force involved in the hands of a child. This is incompetence. A nine-year old? Unacceptable. What were these adults thinking?
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    Oh good, I meant to select 'no,' but hit 'Yes' on accident - we cancel out each others' mistakes ;-)

    I just don't think we need a law for this, but we need some common sense to be used. I shot many guns as a child and never had a problem... because - aside from BB guns - I only ever had one round at a time to fire. The first couple of times I was given an unloaded gun with the hammer pulled to teach me a lesson on trigger safety (I would have shot a window out the first time, LOL!).
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    WTF was the instructor, let alone the parents of this 9 year old thinking...oh that's right they weren't. Come on, a 9 year old with a full auto Uzi? One a 9 year old can barely pick up an Uzi so just how are they going to handle full auto?
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    @arisocto ...you are exactly correct. Righties will say something even when they have nothing. It just shows them for what they are.
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    My 11-year-old granddaughter is still using a Gamo pellet rifle to practice shooting and I would consider that or a .22 rifle appropriate for this particular child mentioned. It's single shot, lock and load each individual round. She uses a pellet pistol to practice her hand gun skills. I know you can get an Uzi in .22 caliber which would minimize recoil but I wouldn't consider it appropriate for any child who hasn't demonstrated advanced weapons handling skills and a sense of responsibility at least equal to my own. If something makes a lot of noise, kicks and expels smoke and fire, a kid's reaction cannot be predicted. A very unfortunate occurrence that cannot be undone physically or mentally. As far as age, that is a difficult call because many adults drive like complete morons and many teens are very responsible - so what does that tell you about age?
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    @DegredWhiteGuy True.....though I submit they probably do well with the firearms.....it's that suicide bomb training that's a killer.....

    http://news.yahoo.com/suicide-bomb-instructor...

    Twenty-two Iraqi militants were killed and 15 more injured, on Monday during a suicide bombing training session when an instructor accidentally set off an explosion during a demonstration. The commanders was reportedly training them on the use of explosive belts and car bombs, when of the devices went off

    According to the New York Times, the would-be terrorists were part of a group called the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. The group professes to be battling Iraq's Shi'ite-led army, and has been linked to bombing attacks throughout the country.

    {I actually got an ironic chuckle out of this.....ISIS learned not use suicide bombers pretty quickly.....and are very dangerous now.....}
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    @Knightkore
    Yeah, but we have a brain. Unfortunately these idiots didn't use them and now their child will live with their ignorance and stupidity for the rest of her life. May God be with her.
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    Great post @DavidMark. I give you a hard time often but you do post good stories often.

    Now answer @Denizen_Kate 's question about the DOWN VOTES or write something up about the topic. Please?
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    Down votes are awesome. When I get a down vote, I understand that I have gotten to somebody enough that they bother to vote my post down. I wear it as a trophy that I got under your skin, even if just a tiny bit.
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    @Now_What PNWest, the most impartial and bipartisan poster on Politix probably has more down votes than anyone else on Politix. But as a man who believes in fair play I believe that if you are going to have UP VOTES and DOWN VOTES they should be treated exactly the same way. That's only fair.

    What is more insidious is the way Politix chooses to display LINKS and comments with the most popular (most up votes minus down votes) shown first. The end result is that cowardly conservatives are able to vote down interesting articles (go look at the LINKS section and see if there are ANY liberal links on the front page) and comments. Examine virtually any thread here on Politix and you'll see conservative posts at the top. That's the end result of this cowardice.

    A truly FAIR system would display the links and comments with the TOTAL number of votes (up votes plus down votes) shown at the top. That way those links and comments that generated the most interest would be at the top.

    My suspicion is that this is not done because if it was conservatives would be crushed in all discussions and would leave. I suspect that Editor in Chief David Mark (hi @DavidMark) set things up this way similar to the handicap system used in golf where by doing things like this conservatives get a few extra strokes so they can stay competitive.

    PNWest, the most impartial and bipartisan poster on Politix would love it if our esteemed editor would join in the discussion.
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    @Now_What lol All these conservatives keep posting to me "look at the number of down votes you're getting." I tell them I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I'm here to state my opinion, just like everyone else.
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    I'm sickened that the instructor didn't have the Wherewithal to think that, "Yes this little girl can handle the single shot of the Uzi with no problem, but I should be more hands on when it comes to switching it to full auto." He should of been there, holding the gun with the girl to ensure she's able to handle the constant kick of the Uzi. There's full grown men in the military incapable of controlling fully automatic guns when they first use them. The gun constantly kicks and your aim gravitates upwards because of it. It's a fight to keep it down at the target you're aiming at.

    This guy made a massive mistake and paid for it with his life.
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    @Joshacham
    No mistake was involved here at all, it was pure unmitigated stupidity! The kind of stupidity that makes a vast number of people in this country think that all of us who support 2nd Amendment rights are bat shit nuts. We aren't. Unlike this so called "instructor" or these ignorant parents some of us actually have a brain and are capable of using it.
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    thank you…. yours is the first i've seen anyone even contemplate what this is going to do to this little girls psyche… and if she's tenderhearted? well then she's in for a mess of emotional turmoil… i hope like hell she gets some good counseling...
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    I am all for the right to legal ownership. Someone please tell me the up side of a nine year old firing any fully automatic weapon. Tragic, unnecessary, totally avoidable loss of life. For what?
  • #33
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    A man is dead and a little girl will grow up knowing she killed that man. And of course everyone should have an automatic firearm. Second Amendment, great, don't forget common sense.
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    @j2saret & @JosephC

    You are both correct. The US Constitution is the epitome of common sense, without mentioning it. These were perhaps the wisest men collected together for one purpose in history. They rank up there with the Founders and the twelve Disciples.
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    The recoil could have happened with an adult with weak wrists and arms as well. This is tragic to say the least. I do wonder about children and automatics, but I don't believe to do an age limit. Maybe they do a skills/strength test regardless of age when using autos?

    I don't know which is sadder, the loss the instructors family has to deal with, or what that will do to the psyche of the 9 year old
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    Take another look. She fires a full auto burst with no sign of any problem with recoil.

    How about the only reason to learn to fire a full auto weapon is to kill a lot of people in a hurry.
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    @BobFromDist9 No, that's not what happened.

    "Then Vacca asks her to fire one shot for him, which she does. Then, Vacca tells the girl to adjust her stance and squeeze the trigger to let off a volley, but something goes wrong when she fires a second time."

    Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-27347...
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    What was that idiot instructor thinking? A nine year old? Really? And most importantly... what were the parents thinking allowing their child... yes... CHILD to even get near a weapon like that. Child Protective Services needs to check out that family... that is simply reckless!
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    I haven't read all of the posts, but being this post mentioned another child, I'm responding to it. All accidental shootings are sad, but what makes it even sadder, for this Arizona girl is that the Instructor was actually her father. Surely, she has a major burden to carry on her shoulders forever. No charges were filed as the shooting was clearly an accidental, as well as preventable thing that was brought on by the "instructor" himself. May he RIP and I hope the little girl can survive this terrible happening before she has serious mental problems over it.
    Jim
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