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    It would be nice to have someone remind the police about a little thing call due process before they can seize property.

    Though he needs to go further and outlaw impound fees and penalties if you are not charged or convicted of a crime. If the police impound your property and it was found to be in error, then they should be responsible for all related fees.
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    Are you also aware that if you are arrested ans post bail, even station house bail, and then the charges are later dropped, you do NOT get all your bail money back ? They usually keep 2%. This has happened to me. Moreover this can be a substantial amount of money for some people. For instance I have read, more than once, of an innocent person being arrested for murder, bail being set at one million dollars, and the innocent defendant posts the one million dollars bail. Later, the charges are dropped. But they keep 2% which amounts to $20,000. That's a LOT of money fr an innocent person to suddenly lose thru no fault of his own.
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    This happened to a couple from Orlando on their return from Vegas. They had lost the receipt from the casino from which it was won and the money was seized at the airport .It cost them both time and attorneys fees of $12,000 to return the $10,150 dollars they had won.No crime committed on their part.
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    @JustTheFacts After all of those ladies I helped in the past with their college tuition I think your safe. I never caught anything but hell from the wife.
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    My question is why must you declare how much money you have while flying in the country. . I thought that was for flights out side of the us...
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    Well that's the problem. Only 5 pages. It should be 1,500 pages and loaded with a bunch of money for a library in Harry Reids state. Then they could "pass it to find out what's in it." It would pass quickly then.
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    @Ets101592
    I was thinking more like a Mitch McConnell extortion of 26 BILLION dollars for his pet dam project in Kentucky, that pork he inisted on before allowing the Government shutdown to end.
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    @Unfit2serve Mitch needs to straighten his sorry ass up if he wants my support this fall, and going public with this would be a start. He supported hemp which is in the ground this year and the only good thing he's done in years.
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    You're not kidding it's theft, and guilty by association are our members of Congress who are supposed to be protecting citizens from such as this. See my link and my comments on this subject in the links section.
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    It started as part of the war against people who use drugs... they assume that anyone with more than $100 in their pockets is dealing drugs, therefore the money must be seized as evidence.

    Law enforcement agencies get upward of $4 billion a year from seized assets... More than $3 billion is kept, even though the victims are never arrested or charged with any crime.

    Here is a good read to understand how these forfeiture laws came about...

    http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/ci...
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    @DogLady_1
    Yes, if you've ever scanned the items that your local P.D. puts up for auction......you see the usual drug-lord expensive cars and luxury items, but there is also a lot of weird stuff. Makes you wonder..........I'm sure the cops will eventually learn how to use E-Bay and we won't even have police auctions anymore.
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    @DogLady_1
    Before the government started taking everything I kept a thousand dollars in the back of my billfold just n case I needed extra cash.. Now its less than a hundred with everything on plastic which of course they'd shut down.. But then the plastic is debt so if they lock me up the lending company's loose.. I put it on plastic then pay it off before it's due that way the credit card company's send me a payment instead of me paying them for the loan.
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    @Unfit2serve - There are no luxury cars in our police auctions... there are fishing boats, jet skis, pick-up trucks, work vans, and waterfront property... Stuff that come from middle class hard working people (and those who occasionally might do something stupid)...

    A sheriff in my area was recently indicted on hundreds of counts of testi-lying, tampering with witnesses, and extortion... all of which was related to property seizures of people who were never charged/convicted of anything.

    One of his victims was a well-respected heart surgeon who owned property that, well, anyone in my area would want... He planted a High Times Magazine in his garbage and claimed it was paraphernalia and intent to cultivate cannabis...

    Ruined the doctor's life trying to fight the charges in court, all the while the sheriff made no secret of what he was gonna do with that land once the doctor was in prison.
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    @Observing - It's a vicious cycle... and only We the People can shut down the merry-go-round I call an oversized gov't with bloated ticks to run it.

    "The rational and peaceable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people." -Thomas Jefferson
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    And no one knows where the money actually goes, what it is spent on & who benefits from it. TOTALLY WRONG FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO TAKE SOMEONES CASH
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    "Democrats, long distrustful of police power?" Huh? Democrats are authoritarian lovers. They are not distrustful of police powers. They love gument power. Oh, that's right. Only if it's controlled by leftist politicians.
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    @DogLady_1 The Obama admin with a Dem Senate still refuse to reschedule marijuana from it's ludicrous Schedule 1, which is relative to this article.
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    As DogLady pointed out, this is a legacy of the War on Drugs, started by Nixon and cranked up by Reagan. Democrats indeed. Perhaps you should consult history and facts rather than Fox News and Rush before offering a comment.
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    I'm probably wrong but it seems to me they started doing this back in the cocaine days of the early 80s. and I remember thinking that's just the cops trying to get in on all the cash that flowing around
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    @Observing I agree. I've long argued that government officials (people entrusted with the use of force) should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.
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    I've had government enforcement jobs and we were directed to set the example not at all like it is now with them making the rules and regulations up as they go and thinking rules and regulations do not apply to them.. With us it was to go twice as hard on us if we slipped up! Eisenhower Nixon, Regan, Bush and Bush put the screws to us and did not bother to kiss us nor thank us.. I got out after Regan came came into office. I could see things going to hell o I did not desire that type of work anymore.. I believe Obama may have had the desire to make things better for everyone however he's only made things better for himself.
    With so many people desiring less regulations and only approx 1% desiring more, do these people get put into office. We all now Bush Jr. first term was rigged so I must assume they all are..
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    Any money taken by the government should not be used to benefit those taking it. Neither directly nor indirectly.. Don't know about other states, probably similar. In Tennessee game wardens and constables get half of everything they confiscate, also probably others I'm not aware of.. They should not benefit from the misfortune of others... Of course the lawyers benefit by the gestapo actions of the government...

    I suggest putting any money etc. confiscated into a community fund to help those destitute and downtrodden.
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    Its a crazy idea but innocent until proven guilty is a great way to live. Or unless there is a search warrant for said items, then We The People get to keep our money and property until PROVEN guilty. And said items will be put in a holding until the guilt is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt if no guilt then returned with interest, kinda like how the govt will do to you if you do not pay them. This would make sure that you do get your day in court quicker, rather than waiting months on end.
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    When they do it it is the same as an armed robbery only with a badge and a limitless supply of taxpayer funded legal defense.
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    It's not just cash from motorists, it's homes, farms, boats and yachts, businesses, and with nothing tying the owner to any crime. What we need here rather than civil forfeiture is prosecution of the officers and prosecutors for thievery and deprivation of rights.
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    @Hillofbeans Prime example of what government does when it's strapped for funds ... they turn on regular citizens and start robbing them blind ... and declare it legal!
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    It would be an interesting case if someone would exactly gun down the thief with a badge while being robbed =)

    It's extortion ... how is it that this is even legal?

    Extortion - Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
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