• #1
    I was a student there during the late nineties. The adoration of JoePa that I loathed on that campus is only magnified now. This is my favorite part of the punishment.

    "and the team's wins from 1998-2001 have been purged, since it was in 1998 that university officials first learned Sandusky was abusing boys."

    His name just got scrubbed from a lot of coaching records. Good.
  • #28
    What's the matter BooBoo?
    Did JoPa snub autographing your coloring book? Grow up, the man's dead!
  • #29
    I was a "non-traditional student" so the whole school spirit thing wasn't my thing and I wasn't really into Penn State Football. It was the blind adoration of the fans, the sheepishness and obedience of the university President towards Paterno and the power that the football program on campus that turned me off to it. I went to one game so I could say I had. But mostly I tried to stay out of town on game days or else stay at home.

    So it just never really interested me. Then I learn about what was going on behind the scenes while I was there. And I'm disgusted. Plus I've never been one to want to bother with idol worship enough to want a sample of their handwriting.
  • #33
    Ok let's look at this in a civil manner. JoePa coached over 50 yrs. I don't believe that was 50 yrs of mistreating young men who played for and were mentored by him. On the contrary I believe there isn't enough space here to itemize all the help and love JoePa had and gave to his players. I can tell you his players always played the game with class. Did he make mistakes? You bet!!! But at the end of the day in my opinion the good he did far outweighed the bad. Also, Bo there are a lot of students learning in the campus library that JoePa donated over 5 1/2 million dollars for. So, criticize him if you must but as for me "Well done JoePa".
  • #35
    And the name of the library shouldn't be changed. Those players didn;t lose those wins. They know they won. They should feel the most cheated by JoePa and a University Administration that covered up crime and in effect allowed it to continue... To save face. Don't forget JoePa stayed on those extra years at least in part so he could pass up Bobby Bowden.

    JoePa will lose his records, and a university that let Image override the safety of those boys that Sandusky abused after 1998 has had it's Image tarnished in real terms that hurt. Students and players are free to transfer if they want. But it's Penn State's, Graham Spanier, JoePA and a rubber-stamping Board that caused this... Not the NCAA.

    The students learned a lesson about "idol worship" as well.
  • #36
    I'll preface my statements by saying that I'm married to a Penn State alum. My wife and I see things a bit differently when it comes to JoePa. I also lived in State College for a year and a half.

    I don't think the NCAA went far enough in their punishment of PSU. As a father I'm absolutely disgusted at the manner in which the university handled Sandusky.

    As for Joe Paterno. He was for all practical purposes the face of Penn State. He should have seen things through to the end no matter the consequences. That would be the moral path to follow. The university would have been much better off had this been handled properly. Instead he colluded with others to save face and let things slide.

    He put the public image of PSU and the football program ahead of the children. He helped enable a pedophile. I'm sickened by it.

    On another set of forums I proposed a one year sanction from football for each child molested by Sandusky after PSU had knowledge of this monster in their midst. Perhaps that 's extreme, but that is the father in me wanting justice.
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  • #31
    It's important to understand that the NCAA's motive here is to create an example as a warning to other athletic programs. By the standards current in today's NCAA, this is a very strong punishment. The key is not the fine but the 4-year ban on postseason play, which essentially destroys the football program. Only the "death penalty" of suspending the program from all play for a year would have been more severe.

    The person I feel sorry for is Bill O'Brien, who took over as coach after the scandal broke and now has to somehow keep the program on life support with no real way to recruit players. I'm not sure he fully realized what he was getting into when he accepted the job. With that caveat, I think the NCAA's actions are appropriate - I wish they took a similar hard-nosed approach to the many violations committed by major football and basketball prgrams every single year.
  • #22
    "Enough punishment?" I'm not sure... But what I do know, is that it isn't exactly just to punish the students for what their faculty did. If I had been in charge of the decision, I'd have swept every faculty member with any connection to the investigation right out of their office and onto the blacklist. I'd have petitioned for a smaller fine in return for a temporarily redistributing education funds from the sports department to say...math, or science, or the arts, etc.

    That all being said, I think the shame of being involved with this whole scandal will hurt the school more than any NCAA sanction.

    As for shutting down the school, as some of our fellow users have suggested, that's just plain ridiculous. The core problem in the USA is lack of education. Shutting down a school, excluding schools such as Liberty University or University of Phoenix, etc, would just screw over America even more.
  • #20
    Not enough, Sandusky was a coach since 1969 and the $60 million dollars is equivalent to one football season. The university knew since 1998 that this GAY PEDOPHILE was abusing boys.

    We need to send a strong message to gays, that sports programs, Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are not their new gay ground. We are clear about men not being in the bathroom and showers with little girls, how many $60 million dollars fines do we need to send the message that gays do not go in the bathroom and showers with little girls.

    If it had been a little girl in 1998, it would have ended then and the media knows this.
  • #21
    Yah, and if the teacher had been a woman instead of Sandusky America would be asking how hot she was and talking about wishing they'd been in her class. Then she'd get a website with photographs of her in bikini's and the case would be dismissed.
    Double standards abound!!
  • #10
    Penn State now is a prime example of how not to handle a sexual predator. How many ways can denial be highlighted - its in churches, schools, daycare,homes. Its scary to confront an
    esstablishn\ment but its often essential. Doing what is right is not always easy.
  • #14
    And what is doing right in your book? Harming kids just starting out in life, finding their way, making their footprint? Why punish people that didn't have anything to do with it? Go after Sandusky, by all means. Get him with everything you got.
    But going after kids that are there now and had zero to do with any of that stuff, is bullshit in my book.
  • #42
    What was done to those boys is a life sentence. I will never believe Paterno didn't know about it. The school has a black eye,Oh well,
    many young men will live with the pain and humiliation forever. It
    just goes to show what happens when people try to 'hush' up a sick
    violent sex act against innocent kids. Pay up Penn State and then shut-up!
  • #41
    The NCAA penalty against Penn State for the cover up of homosexual pedophile Jerry Sandusky's abuse of boys is sever but not enough. Its football program should be shut down.

    Penn State football program should be shut down

    I agree with Newsweek’s Kevin Cirilli that Penn State’s ex-president Graham Spanier should face criminal charges and then go to prison for his part in the cover up. Anybody else involved in the cover up should also receive sanctions.

    If civil lawsuits don’t give Penn State a death knell I hope it’s never ending bad reputation for failing to protect children from a child rapist discourages parents from sending their own children there. Besides prison and civil penalties, closing down Penn State will fulfill the demands of justice.
  • #34
    In fact, come to think of it, the NCAA is not only penalizing the entire student body for the sins of a few, but the entire surrounding community. The town of State College is dependent upon the University. Some of the child victims may even be adversely affected by this financially.
  • #32
    Actually, in a way the wrong people are being punished. Think of the young people who looked up to this school and hoped for a scholarship there and because of the certain perverts they will not have a chance. All involved should be punished individually!
  • #27
    I concur with Canada, Fishbone and others that punishing the players, either past or current is itself, abusive. It's kind of like punishing a whole family for the sins of the father.
    Any criminal or civil guilt by administrators should be dealt with accordingly. But to invalidate years of blood, sweat and tears by those young players is unjust. Not only that, but this also curbs opportunities for future potential students.
    Over reaction.
  • #23
    Not sure how much $60 million will hurt. But since the cover up was based at least partly to protect corporate assets, the fine is a good start. However, I find it very hard to believe that no one else knew about the abuse. Therefore, I think further criminal prosecutions are in order.
  • #19
    Now just what the heck good doesit do to 'fine' a university because some sleezy coaches did dispickable things? NONE! Thats what. Where does the 'fine'oney go anyways? In somebody's pocket???? I'm sure things like this go on at many other places, college and high schools alike.
    NCAA sanctions and fines????????// Pull-ease!!!!!!
  • #9
    I do not necessarily have any love lost for Penn State, JoPa, or the higher ups there, but I am not sure if the NCAA ( which has a record of inconsistant punishment) had any bussiness sticky their nose in this.

    Penn State desereves to lose their shirt, pants, socks, and even their underware in civil law suits but I am not sure if punishing players current or past is the answer.
  • #5
    Criminal charges & all that is fine.. Taking away the wins??? Who that help? What is the NCAA going to do w/ that money?? Penn State is surely going to loose a ton of money in lawsuites.. Still debating what I think should happen.
  • #13
    What is the NCAA going to do w/ that money??
    The same thing they do with all of the money they gain from the exploitation of kids. Give it to undeserving, already wealthy, men that gain from kids all over the country. Then those same men will turn around and bitch about some kid that sold his jersey, and suspend him for four games.
  • #18
    It was all the way up to Graham Spanier. It was an institutional coverup. It was Penn State Pride that was being protected.
  • #24
    Fishbone... Wealthy men??? The NCAA is an organization.. Kinda of like the govt. Now that you mentioned it.
    You have to be a 99% to respond w/ that point of view.
  • #25
    Tiger, where does NCAA revenue go? Most of it is divided up among Division I membership. For the year 2009-10, that pot was a little over $433 million.
    And what do you think they do with it from there? Hmm?
    Well look no further than huge salaries paid to NCAA football coaching staff, University Presidents, and Athletic Directors to name a few. Stadiums don't get restructured or updated without money.
    Schools benefit from it too, I won't deny that, but there are a lot of men getting very wealthy from kids playing at their schools.
    Do me a favor? Don't make me sound like some Class Warfare person ok? I know how well how the system works.
  • #26
    I don't like the system Tiger. I won't hide that. I don't think its fair to the kids that make it possible.
    Have you seen some of the cash flow of the BSC? How is it fair that there are men that gain that, yet pass judgement on a kid that sells his jersey for 50 bucks.
    They should lighten up a bit on them. I'm not asking for them to totally let kids go wild, but some things are a bit ridiculous.

    None of that had anything to do with the 1%, or Occupy, or Class Warfare. Don't insinuate I'm using comparisons when I'm not.
  • #4
    Why is this story on Politix at all? Sure, JoePa and the others in question made a selfish choice by sweeping it all under the rug to protect that gay pedophile, but guess what? JoePa is dead and he died in disgrace, 2 of the other 3 involved are up on charges, and Penn State has lost bowl-eligibility and $60M a year for a while. It's primarily an EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION and it should be allowed to continue to do that on some level without the support of its athletic program. Just think of all of the football players and competitors in other sports that are going to be granted transfers under special conditions...just tell a kid that he can leave and immediately suit up for another school in these circumstances and you'll see them move faster than they've EVER moved on the field or the court.

    It was a storied program and if you're a sports fan, it's sad that it had to go down this way...but it did, those that are at fault are GONE, and we need all of the accredited schools we can get. I still don't see how this has anything to do with politics...
  • #11
    ! think that Sandusky playing grab-a** in the showers with little boys was common knowledge amongst the majority of the faculty? That's why JoePa and the others chose to cover it up. They knew that it would bring down the program, and they were selfish. I hate to say it, but ESPECIALLY Paterno. Now that we knew THAT he knew and to what extent, it's clear that the old man was trying to protect his legacy. Mike McQueary and the developmentally-disabled janitor were the only others that were privvy to it. You have to respect McQueary for following the chain-of-command and immediately reporting it, but after a reasonable amount of time had passed and ol'Jerry was still free and living by the school playground, he should have made some waves. He might have not had a job at Penn State after doing so, but some coach or school in Division I would have hired him on principle alone, no doubt. I find it hard to believe that anyone else that wasn't directly involved in the cover-up knew that this was going on.
  • #12
    Actually, Joe Paterno followed the proper course of action. Granted, he didn't do more, and likely should have. But he followed established protocol.
  • #16
    Paterno was in a heckuva higher position than McQueary ever was. Paterno could have made waves and kept his job, securing McQueary's in the progress. They'd be removing that statue to replace it with a golden idol in his image had Paterno stepped up.
  • #2
    Not enough, close the school for good. Send a strong message.Kids always,always,always come first. NO EXCEPTIONS.
  • #3
    Might be a prime example of how liberal educators value their responsibilities. The self rightous dollar always comes first.
  • #7
    Kids always come first? How about the kids there now? You know, the ones being punished for having absolutely nothing to do with those predators.
    That fee hurts the entire school, not just the damn football program. And even if it did? Those kids didn't do anything.
    This is the typical bullshit the NCAA is famous for. A kid takes payments at USC. So do we get the coach at the time? Nope. Do we go after the kid? He gave back his trophy, big whoop!
    Punish those responsible, not the next generation. That's complete BS and totally unfair.