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  • #5
    Having President Obama in place in the ensuing years was no accident, but not for the reasons that one may think. God has given evil a chance to vindicate itself before the culmination of this "system of things." Obama is the right person at the right time for the perilous times ahead, obviously, decency, honesty and honor being ruled out.

    "For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled." Rev. 17:17 (NIV)

    The Bible describes events and conditions that mark this significant time period. "The sign" is a composite one made up of many evidences; thus its fulfillment requires that all aspects of the sign be clearly in evidence during one generation. The various aspects of the sign are recorded at Mat. chapter 24, 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21; there are further details at 2 Tim 3:1-5, 2 Peter 3:3, 4, and Revelation 6:1-8. By way of illustration, we will consider a few outstanding portions of the sign.

    "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom" Mat. 24:7

    "There will be food one place after another" Mat 24:7

    "There will be great earthquakes" Luke 21:11

    "In one place after another Pestilences" Luke 21:11

    "Increased lawlessness accompanied by a coolling off of love on the part of the greater number" Mat. 24:11,12

    "Men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth" Luke 21:25, 26

    'Christ's true followers to be objects of hatred by all nations on account of his name' Mat. 24:9

    'This good news of the kingdom preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness' before the end. Mat 24:14

    Naysayers, will say that we have always had Natural phenomena, that's true -- but in the last 10 years natural disasters have increased exponentially. In the coming months and years it will become more frequent and horrendous -- to the point there will be no doubt in the minds of most that Gods intervention is prophecy being fulfilled as outlined in Revelations, et al....

    'Nuff said....
  • #9
    yeah, sure...

    Like the bible is so good at making those predictions, huh? perhaps it is just another of the known lies in the bible...
  • #13
    Of course, the largest group of critics and naysayers of God and his written word, are the most ignorant of both -- C'est la vie.
  • #19
    @S-N-A-F-U Actually, it has been proven time and time again that nonbelievers know far more about religgions than those that profess to be a believing member of that religion.

    You do realize that your cults are against the education of the masses for just that reason, don't you? Look at te very first lesson from your cult in the arden of
    Eden: "Do not seek knowledge. Do just as you are told and all will be perfect."

    It couldn't be more of a cult unless they asked you to give them your
  • #33
    Several time periods have been touted as "the end of times" over the centuries. The 13th Century, when the Black Plague killed 1/2 of the known world's population in 2 years and 2/3 over a period of twenty years was one of them, and much more closely resembled Revelations than modern times. Nations have always been at war and famines and epidemics have occurred on a regular basis in human history. Earthquakes and natural disasters are nothing new. Your statement that "in the last 10 years natural disasters have increased exponentially" is just plain false. Look up the term "exponentially" before you use it so freely. While "true Christians" were indeed the objects of hatred and persecution in Rome long ago, they have carried out more than their share of hatred, persecution and murder since those days. What most concerns me about the future is not fulfillment of prophesies by God, but self fulfillment by believers. If mankind destroys itself, I suspect that it will be done in the name of God and prophesy.
  • #64
    I agree. We were talking of this last evening and are preparing for the 5 seige months to come. Coincidence the Myans predict end time 2012? Always thought so, but who knows. Not that I think that it's that time yet. The north and east will rise come through the Euphrates to decimate Isreal first.
    You others laugh, point and make fun. Say I'm a wack job. Be unprepared as most Sandy victims were after ten days lead time. I understand you will say because my party lost. Blah blah blah. Nothing to do with it. It is what it is.
    It's your right to say whatever. My belief has never let me down.
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    Oh, It just keeps getting better...Atheists , same sex marriage, legalized pot. We are "progressing" for sure! How
    How sad for future generations who have to grow up in a morally bankrupt America, we will face the repercussions of this, and most assuredly our children and grandchildren will. Atheism,a vacuous, soulless,empty
    and totally void of anything hopeful or good, Atheists "win", that's am oxymoron! Truly sad people, with a very
    high suicide rate and an even more depressing existence...
  • #26
    So, in order for people to be good and honest, moral and compassionate etc., they must believe in the supernatural?
  • #34
    how is Same sex marriage morally bankrupting our society? Haven't you heard the phrase "all men are created equal"?
  • #35
    You are showing your ignorance with this comment.
    Just because your life would be "morally bankrupt, soulless, empty, and totally void of anything hopeful or good," without the idea of god, doesn't mean that applies to anyone else. The fact that your life would be pointless and depressing without your god almost makes me feel sorry for you. The promise of an afterlife is the only reason you have to live, it's the only thing that keeps you going. That's what I think is sad.
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  • #2
    Not necessarily happy that there are more atheists in government, but would rather see more on the National Science Committee. Just don't make the non-existence of God as much of a rallying cry as the existence of God has been for the religious right.
  • #7
    "A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side." - Aristotle
  • #70
    Do you have any clue that our Christian faith is being replaced by something much worse? This nation became great because of our Christian faith. The values put forth from the Bible teach hard work, moral values, responsible living. These values are being replaced by secular humanism where man in all his corruption is now running the show when it comes to our nation's values. Guess what? Man can not make moral laws for other men so what is the result? ANYTHING GOES! We are seeing the degradation of our nation's conscience decade after decade and look at the condition of our people. We have now degraded to the point of electing a complete failure as president with almost 8% unemployment, 16 trillion in debt. Elected by people who the majority pay no taxes and elected by secular Liberals. They vote on the basis of how much the Government will give them.
    The vacuum created when the left "separated" (no where in the constitution) God from our nation will be filled. We are seeing what will fill that void. Self love! No thought of accountability or responsibility because man can not dictate values to other men. I've watched my fears prove out decade after decade. America is going to end up in collapse as a direct result of Liberals and their disdain for God. Oh, many of them will say they are Christians, but the faith they follow comes not from the words of the Bible(unless the verses agree with their point of view) but rather from their own humanist philosophy of how our nation should proceed. America has been a Judeo Christian nation that allows freedom to all to believe anything you want. That does not mean we throw out the values our nation was founded on for the sake of a few Atheists or secular humanists.
  • #72
    @commonsense51 - "Do you have any clue that our Christian faith is being replaced by something much worse?"

    Yes I do. And that is why I have nothing but contempt now for the religion I used to embrace. Religious extremists within the Christian population have begun to take over the message and insert their brand of black and white Old Testament logic. You want to be respected by the secular world, then kick those clowns out.
  • #77
    @commonsense51 Do you not get it? Atheists believe that "man in all his corruption is now running the show" and always has been. Your statements about this nation being formed as a Christian nation totally ignores the truth, as well.
  • #106
    @commonsense51 first of all our nation was NEVER a Judeo -Christian nation. Most of the founding fathers were deists, even free masons and freethinkers. Some of those were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen, Gouverneur Morris, Hugh Williamson and Cornelius Harnett. Even the 1796 Treaty of Tripoly states in no uncertain terms that ," the Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion ". The treaty was written under the Presidency of George Washington and signed under the Presidency of John Adams. You can read about it here. If you are going to talk about secular humanism you should at least know what you are talking about. Here is something to help you out with that. Obama a complete failure ? First of all the unemployment rate has dropped below 8% already and consumer confidence has gone way up. Huge debt ? The reason we have a huge debt is two fold. Ifrat because a faith based Christian President , George Bush decided to have not one but TWO wars while lowering taxes and maxing out the US credit card. Those that pay little or no taxes are the very poor because they have no money to pay taxes with, hence why they are poor, and the very rich and corporations, why because they have the money to hire lawyers andd accountants and financial planners that either hide money in off shore accounts or find huge loopholes in the tax system. The first Amendment has an EXCLUSIONARY CLAUSE of separation of Church and State. You must live in a different country if you don't believe that or you can't read. Again, America was NEVER founded on Christian princlples.
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    Absolutely I'm glad that there are more means that the tide is turning, however slowly, and more people would rather believe in reality than in outlandish fairy tales, people living for 900 years, burning bushes, a resurrection, an arc filled with animals, and and all those other stories that people have taken without question--
  • #96
    I agree with you alaboy. And I would also like to point out that "Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock"...are NOT "godly candidates". They are a couple of 18th century old men, who are using "god & religion" in a effort to promote their own outdated and backward agenda towards women and reproductive rights... That's all they are and nothing more that that!
  • #170
    @TheLoneRanger And god is the conclusion from a book that was written a long time ago. I guess I need to start writing a book and create a new God.

  • #189
    @Starsplash - You miss the whole point of the God concept. Since the past, present and future are constantly before God's eyes He has a view of things that are applicable for all time.

    And what of modern day prophets? I'm sure you will dismiss them offhand too because what they have to say today as mouth pieces of the Lord do not fit your life style choices. Too bad they would enlighten you.
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    I would like my representatives to base their thinking process on reason and logic. The degree to which they are influenced by the irrationality of theism has an impact on their ability to find rational solutions to the issues of the day in my opinion. Theistic societies are some of the most repressed and uneducated in the world today.
  • #76
    I have no problem with people of faith allowing their faith to form their basic path through life. I draw the line however when they want to define my path.
  • #25
    @woodtick57 - absolutely nothing to do with core values, except the fact they have to be threatened with hell to do right. I just use logic and reason to do right. They wouldn't understand.
  • #27
    You mean values as demonstrated by the mother of ALL christianity, the Catholic Church? Christianity holds no moral trump card by any stretch of the imagination. Just the opposite. The Catholic Church, Westboro Baptist Church, any number of christian sects were bigotry and intolerance is the order of the day, sects that place women in a subservient role, etc., no thanks to those core values. You can have them.

    Always amused when christians somehow equate their silly, sometimes morbid beliefs with morality and values when the evidence is obvious they, for the most part, are just paying lip service and conveniently pick and choose what applies to them and what doesn't.
  • #36
    "I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law." - Aristotle. You don't need religion to have core values. Religions that do not extend the values of ethics and morality to include people who do not share their stated beliefs about God are part of the problem, not the solution.
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  • #15
    I look at all the sad things people do go so extreme to be reconized denouncing god or using him for a vote.I pray for you all and wish you well like a good christian should.The government wants you were you are so caught up in there web.
  • #28
    @simplytoi Non believers only know what they can know, or think they can know. Faith is not knowledge, it's more like an unsubstantiated opinion.
  • #41
    @Russell797 do you not believe that their is a divine power do you not believe or hope that things will change .
  • #43
    @simplytoi If there were even the teensiest shred of evidence that might even suggest there MAY be a divine power, i would look at that evidence objectively.

    i know that things will change, they always do.
  • #46
    @simplytoi No, I do not believe in a divine power in any supernatural sense. I know for a fact that things will change, some of that change is totally out of our hands as the consequence of a thermodynamically driven universe. Some others of that change will be the consequence of human interaction with the environment and the decisions we make at every crossroad in the passage of time. We best make the most informed decisions possible based on science and rational thinking. Then there is this...."Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you"..
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  • #130
    Atheists by and large are actually fairly stupid, as most of them do not understand and refuse to accept that what most of them consider "atheism" is still theism. It is simply the modern religion of science, Psychology,etc.

    However, these people are not the people actually doing the testing, or study themselves, They simply trust and accept what science tells them to be true and take those principles on faith, essentially never questioning what they have been told, yet condemn theists for the same exact thing.

    Its been my experience that its a ratio of about 1 out of every 10 atheists, who actually is a true atheist, and smart enough to claim such. The rest are just zealots of the new religion.
  • #142
    "Atheists by and large are actually fairly stupid, as most of them do not understand and refuse to accept that what most of them consider "atheism" is still theism."

    Translation: Don't have a god or religion? No matter. I'll make up one for you.

    "They simply trust and accept what science tells them..."

    I trust science because, sooner or later, whatever errors are made will be corrected. Errors of religion, in contrast, are fiercely and dogmatically held for centuries if not perpetually.
  • #145
    @SkepticSimian Yep, and this is always the Atheists retort when faced with this argument.

    What "atheists" "believe" takes infinitely more faith than theism does.

    Theres two massive problems with your argument. First is the assumption that one day science will understand everything there is to know. The second, is that religion is intended to be taken literally.

    Thats what almost all modern Atheists are now. They are not devoid of belief They are simply Part of the ME generation ideology, who simply lack the capacity to comprehend figurative language, and condemn all the value of the moral lessons taught by religion, simply because THEY can only conceptualize it if it is taken completely in literal context.
  • #147
    @VVP Essentially what you end up doing is judging something by rules not applicable to it. Its like trying to call one competitior the loser because they were the slower to make their move in the game, not understanding the game being played is chess and isnt about speed.

    Now as for the "we make something up for you" nonsense. No. It is making nothing up. Believing in science requires one to forgo their own conclusions on any and essentially every given subject. It detracts from question based on theory that while tested is not always substantiated. It asks the individual to trust in the findings of others and then build upon those findings. Its a different type of theology. Instead of deity worship it is Paragon worship. Science more often than not discourages people to find their own answer as it would be a waste of time and counter productive.

    I know this, because I am in a scientific field and more often than not frustrated by being forced to accept conventional wisdom and theory over my own study and findings. The simple fact the average person who claims to be an atheist is not a scientist themselves, or has ever tested a theory outside of high school science class. So what that boils down to is the truth, the average atheist, is not a scientist, has done no study of their own, and takes their personal beliefs and knowledge from the word of paragons of their fields as correct purely based on nothing more than faith. No matter how you look at it, or how much you want to deny it, that IS a system of belief.
  • #175
    @VVP "What "atheists" "believe" takes infinitely more faith than theism does."

    Translation: I'll assert atheism requires faith even when it's quite obviously does not. That way I can continue calling it a religion.

    "First is the assumption that one day science will understand everything there is to know."

    I only assume science will day discover all that can be understood. It has a great track record so far.

    "The second, is that religion is intended to be taken literally."

    That's strange because there seems to be no shortage of religious fanatics who do take their religion literally.

    "They are not devoid of belief"

    We're devoid of only one particular belief. Anything else depends on the atheist.

    "They are simply Part of the ME generation ideology, who simply lack the capacity to comprehend figurative language, and condemn all the value of the moral lessons taught by religion, simply because THEY can only conceptualize it if it is taken completely in literal context."

    Two problems here:
    1) There's no holy decoder ring for determining what should or should not be taken literally.
    2) You're faced with the cherry-pickers dilemma: if you can choose only what you want to believe is literal truth, there is no reason to believe any of it's true.
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  • #53
    Yes I am, but I will be happier when the "religion test" is no longer administered to candidates for public office. Really, keep it private and out of the legislature!!!
  • #50
    As the Secular Liberal movement has been showing for the last 50 years, censoring God from our Schools, our Government, our public lands does one thing. It destroys our culture. Every statistic on broken families, divorce, unwed pregnancy, drug use, abuse of alcohol, Government corruption, greed, tax evasion, class warfare, etc. are all worse. Yes we have improved on Bigotry against African Americans but the condition of the Black family is much worse. The Bigotry is still there but it's victim is now any person who dares mention his faith when running for election. The Liberal left will tear you apart(such as Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum) if you mention your beliefs and value system. The America we knew in under attack from the Secular left and this election just showed how far down that slippery slope we have fallen.
  • #44
    The constitution stands for freedom of religion not freedom from religion, even if your religion is atheism. But atheist only believe their religion is correct.
  • #188
    @PuroChorizo361: Yeah, like slavery, white male domination of the voting system, genocide of indigenous peoples, and violent oppression of all resistance to federal taxation.
  • #191
    @DrMoonshine -

    What is the definition of the "Separation of church and state?"

    Where in our Sacred Constitution does it mention, "Separation of church and state?"
  • #202
    @TheLoneRanger I believe it falls under amendment 1. Not everyone believes in a god. That's their choice. The U.S. Government has to be impartial and fair to "ALL".
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  • #303
    Regardless what They believe in, it doesn't matter to me!.Yesterday, Today, and tomorrow. I will continue to believe in the lord! And Christ as my savior.
  • #300
    No. As much as I am annoyed by religious fanatics, atheists make no sense and often confuse morality with abstraction.
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