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  • #5
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    Could point out there is no Escape Clause in the Constitution, or that the last time states tried to secede it didn't turn out so well for them.

    On the upside, JetBlue will still help the disgruntled leave the country at a discount.:-)
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    Yes...they are always telling others to leave...If these disgruntled sore losers want to stamp their feet and whine because their flip-flopper lost...Then they can "Secede Right Out of This Country"...Good bye & good riddance.
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    @fact-check Uh, no.

    "When all attempts to arrive at a formal annexation treaty failed, the United States Congress passed—after much debate and only a simple majority—a Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States. Under these terms, Texas would keep both its public lands and its public debt, it would have the power to divide into four additional states "of convenient size" in the future if it so desired, and it would deliver all military, postal, and customs facilities and authority to the United States government.(Neither this joint resolution or the ordinance passed by the Republic of Texas ' Annexation Convention gave Texas the right to secede.)" http://goo.gl/0fB4t
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    @Sonny and any other Barry-Ball-Swingers out there...
    The election was NOT fair.
    The spanish vote counting company SCTYL counted the votes in 26 states, all military votes and all over seas votes.
    SCTYL was bought by George Soros.
    The Billionaire George Soros backed Obama's 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns.
    There was also ZERO/0 oversight of the election/voting process.
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    I am NO Bush fan (he belongs in Fort Leavenworth Military Prison for life) but I remember when every liberal, democrat and progressive beat the war drums against Bush when the 2000 elections were rigged.
    I guess the libs/dems/progessies forgot all about that.(your avg. Democrat: Hey you can't cheat... only we can.)
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    What's up with this Mary Noble chick doing an article about Soros, SCTYL, Obama and the election?
    Should I hold my breath waiting? HaHaHa
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    As for these 20 states... I think we should all just bum-rush D.C. with guns-a-blazin' and reinstate the US Constitution in this Constitutional Republic.
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    You know...I went looking for Gov. Quomo's signature on the New York petition...And discovered just what you said...A few disgruntled losers signed such petitions...not "the states"...That's the kind of headlines I have grown accustomed to on politix, though.
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    the headline does state that the petitions were filed from 20 states, not that 20 states filed them. did they change it?
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    Don't dignify these idiots with an answer better yet cut state funding for those wishing to secede. It's always sour grapes from the right when they lose. They won't put their partisan feelings aside to better the nation. Like trump wanting to march on Washington, the election was fair you lost getnover it. Hey Donald would election still been a scam if Romney won?
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    @SFstyle ignoring the state? No ignoring a few thousand idiots that can't take it they lost an election. Don't like the result then you should have either got the vote out or picked a better candidate.
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    @SFstyle It is NOT the "States." It's disgruntled extremists signing a web petition. It takes a lot of exaggeration to blow that up into really representing even one state, let alone many.
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    @joyshusband do a few thousand citizens comprise a entire state? Obviously people in each state voted for both candidates. Umm not sure if you know
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    I was shocked to see that new york and new jersey were on that list. None of the state have the needed 25,000 votes to actually be taken seriously and get a required response, but some are close.
    Yea this looks like unifying a nation to me, awesome job Obama (you hack). With all these states wanting to run away from King Obama, would someone please recount the votes.
    I think its a good idea (to secede), let those states that want to follow King Obama do so, let those that believe being all equal - even if it will equal out at poor, is great. Lets go our separate ways, perfect.
    The SEC Conf. Goes with us. And so will the big money.
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    It is not "the states" who want to "run away." It's some crackpot extremists within the states who signed a web petition. Photos of cute kittens on Facebook get more positive responses faster.
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    Man Iam no SEC fan but Iam with ya. Will ya let us conservative Buckeyes move down south? I guess I can become a SEC fan. I live in southeren Ohio and believe me if not for Cincy Obama wouldn't have got a vote. I hate the northeren part of Ohio anyway. Ohio don't claim us . They think we are just a bunch of redneck hillbillies.
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    @Buckfan4life2 well if things keep goin the way they are, redneck hillbillies will be worth their weight in gold. Come on down
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    @Buckfan4life2 hell yea come on and bring those Buckeyes, thats a quality program we hate to play but we like their swagger.
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    Texas is a state by treaty. Every time the Texas legislature comes into session it has the option of severing itself from the United States of America, as it was an independent nation prior to joining the union.
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    Louisiana was once an independent Nation as well. I think it lasted only a week but it still happened. That is right Louisiana was not part of the Louisiana purchase. They broke free from French control to become independent then soon joined the United States. But that may not now since it later joined the confederacy.
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    @crusader: Unfortunately, Louisiana was established as a "Territory" by the U.S. government in 1803. The State of Louisiana was formally recognized by the U.S. government on April 30, 1812. Any claim as an independent nation was forfeited due to prior acceptance of legal status as the Territory of Louisiana.
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    Not surprising. He became governor in Illinois on a technicality. He just had all of his opponents votes disqualified that were printed rather than signed.
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    @hwyangel this shows how uninformed you are: President Obama has NEVER been governor of Illinois. Your statement either shows your complete and utter ignorance or you are continuing the Romney campaign of disinformation.
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    @mtkopf-- Substitute "legislator" for "governor" mtkopf. I chalk it up to a brainfart type error.

    But the fact remains that President Obama did win election to the Illinois state senate by getting his opponents disqualified.

    "Eventually, his challengers were disqualified and he won the Democratic primary unopposed in 1996."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate_...
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    @Bobolinsky @hywangel substitute legislator. I hate when idiots try to misrepresent facts. Now don't talk out of your butt about something you know nothing about. Angel said that all votes that were printed and not signed were dq'd: that is false. A candidate must have a certain number of SIGNATURES to be on a ballot. Mr. Obama's Democratic party primary challengers did not have a sufficient amount of legitimate signatures therefore they were excluded from the ballot. State Senator Palmer admitted as much and withdrew. Another case was decided by Federal judge and the other two by board of elections. Obama still faced a Republican challenger in the general election. So therefore Obama did not steal election like angel hinted at.
    Further these are common occurrences during election time in Chicago. I am 43 y.o. and I can't remember one election year that did not have some type of challenge to nominating petitions.
    Therefore angel you should stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about. It makes you look like an idiot, more than your Romney-Ryan bumper sticker does, but not as much as your signature at spot #28,000.
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    Texas alone is the 15 largest economy in the world. The rest of the states should take a good look at what they must be doing right. If this many states and people are trying to do this- there is OBVIOUSLY good reason. You can't keep your head in the sand forever. They should be taken very seriously.
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    California is the world's 8th largest economy. FOR A COUNTRY. Using your logic the entire country should be doing what California is doing. You ready for that? Of course not.
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    @jessejaymes California is bankrupt. I'm in the Midwest. Heck no I don't want ca ideas here. Look what it's done to them? I can't really say much. Cook county is in my bankrupt state.
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    @Clbraz78 Then don't be talking about looking to Texas as an example when they are 7 spaces below California in terms of world economy. Texas also has the largest percentage of people living below the poverty line of any state. You can pick and choose any example you like but it doesn't make it valid. Your statement was "Texas alone is the 15 largest economy in the world. The rest of the states should take a good look at what they must be doing right." Using that statement alone, California is ahead of Texas. By your measurement of right and wrong. And California is not bankrupt. Jesus when are you people going to stop that story? Some cities have gone bankrupt but not the state. Some cities larger than in California have gone bankrupt. Way it goes in the world of political corruption from both sides. And trust me. I live in California. I don't want the Bible Belt "Christian Taliban" in my state either.
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    how do you think the White House respond ? they will say the Constitution is an ancient , outdated document written by Christians zealots who were homophobic , Islamophobic mean spirited Republicans who are waging a war on women and want to take us all back to the days of Jim Crow, and put y' all back in Chains... and if that don't work they'll say they're all 1 percenters who don't want to pay their fair share....

    .... seriously though if the White House responds to it at all, they will simply say they're a bunch of redneck racists, clinging to their God, their guns and there antiquated constitution and we can't tolerate that kind of politically incorrect hate speech in the new welfare States of America.
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    Or maybe do some research and learn a state cannot secede unilaterally. Also if a state wants to secede they need permission from the federal government, with the exception of Texas due to being a state by treaty.
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    @kirbstomp1: That is assuming that the 1871 incorporation of the United States does not nullify the right of a people to reject their corporate personhood and adopt a NEW, more representative form of governance... as established in the Declaration of Independence. Personally, I see a another revolution coming. December 21, 2012?
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    @fact-check The DOI is not a ruling document, nor was it ever meant to be. As for TX, it's former status is irrelevant. A state is either a part of the country or iit is a possession. It cannot have a special status; nowhere does the constitution allow for it.
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  • #238
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    Dear Unhappy Voters...WTF!?!?!? You live in a country that gives you the right to choose your leaders. Some people in other places don't have that gift.

    Yet, because it didn't go your way you now want to pick up your toys and go home and not play anymore? Unbelievable. How incredibly selfish and traitorous you are. You call Obama dangerous to our country? You have no idea how dangerous people like YOU are.

    I'm sorry all your billions of compaign dollars didn't BUY you the president of your choice. Maybe you should have invested that money into the deficit. I'm sorry you think your life will suck now. We don't get our way all the time.

    You can either step up to the plate and help America recover or get the hell out. No matter what happens you won't be terribly missed.
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    I am for state secession-the blue states can be responsible for their own tax and expenses, as can the red states. I would love to have my governor run my state, and not the president. If a person is unhappy with the way the state they are living in is run-move to another state. I must look up to see how much debt the states that want to secede have-as well as the blue states and red states, maybe it would be best.. But I am not so sure it is the right way to do things-it takes away from us being the United States of America-but then not much about America seems to be united anymore-it is very devisive. I think of the riddle which came first the chicken or the egg-and compare it to-who became devisive first the government or the people. the criteria needed to succeed is listed from the constitution.

    "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government".

    I guess the operative word would be destructive.
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    If Texas really wanted out then Obama should let them go, but 38k is hardly a majority of Texas. This government has absolutely become destructive of its ends and if i could help my home state of Maine secede, if they ever harbor a legitimate interest in it, i would not hesitate for a second moving back and getting the ball rolling.
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    Yup, even here in Florida there seems to be a movement by disgruntled Romney supporters to hang the U.S. Flag upside down to voice their disapproval over the results of the election.
    I think it's deplorable and an insult to the many that served this country to use the flag for political posturing at anytime.....but especially on Veterans Day.
    Romney and what's left of the Republican Party need to put their big boy pants on and condemn this behavior.
    We the people have spoken....get over it!!
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    I have never seen a group disrespect the US flag like the Tea Party folks. Ironically most if not all are for a flag burning amendment.
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    @LetsAllBeHappy - Romney2012 has an avatar the flag being flown upside down. It is only to be flown as a sign of physical distress not as a political statement. During many of the Tea Party hoe downs that swept across the nation, many attendees were wearing Flag shirts, flag pants, flag hats. Again, proper flag etiquette insists that the flag never be used as part of clothing, advertisements, or for almost anything other than just as a flag. As a matter of fact the purist frown on those damn flag lapel pins. That said, I feel it is every American's right to disrespect the flag however they want. The flag is but a symbol. What is important is what it represents, not the flag itself. The only flag I own I keep safe still folded after the soldiers handed it to my mother when my father was interred at Arlington.

    One site --------- http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html
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    The bottom line is this. Every single state in the Bible belt with the exception of Texas is a parasite state. Meaning they get back more federal money than they pay in. This nation would actually be financially better off without the former Confederate states. I say let them go this time. We'd have tons more money.
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    @kirbstomp1 Yeah but you're not a right wing extremist bible thumper. We'll give you fair market value and moving expenses to relocate to the New United States and let the Bible Belt thumpers Confederacy have their own country.
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    @jessejaymes - lol as long as you can find me a good place, where I can learn, and try to better this country, I'll gtfo of here. To many Bible humpers in this area.
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    @kirbstomp1 Psst don't tell any extremist on the right or left but we're starting a moderate revolt. No religion in govt, no one race causes (La Raza, White Supremacy, Black Muslims, none of that stuff). We're gong to create a country where everyone is equal to their own effort and abilities. No women's groups, no gay agenda, it is only a people agenda. Did I mention that you have the right to worship as you please in your own home and house of worship but you start that stuff up outside of those two places and you are immediately deported to the Confederacy.
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    Hey, no one person can stop another person from hating...So don't blame Obama because of the extreme level of irrational behavior on the right.
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    for once have an original thought,just because someone does not think like you probabably has more to do with common sense than hatred or racism
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