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    "Is secession a legitimate solution to America's troubles?"
    Sorry Politix, but that's a stupid question! That's like asking if amputation is a legitimate solution to an itch!
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    It is A solution. Just not the best one. Of course there would still be that ghost itch that you couldn't scratch!
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    I think that Texas seceding would be the end to a lot of the USA's problems. I wish they would do it. The average IQ of the USA would probably go up by 10 points. Without the TX electoral votes the GOP wouldn't be able to win the Presidency for the next 20 years. By then the population of TX would be majority Latino and they would want back into the USA but by then would be democratic leaning state giving another 20 years or so to the dems.
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    I'm willing to sell TX to mexico, but i will hold firm on a price of $12.57. (Double -wides thrown in for free...)
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    Sure, if you think cutting off the world's 14th largest economy would "end" problems not to mention it mean would the loss of more than a fifth of US refining capacity as well as natural gas production. Oh and if you really want to raise the national IQ, California would stand as a better target for elimination.
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    @2ndcharm CA is not on the list of states with large numbers of people asking to secede so the IQ issue is moot. If TX wants to leave I doubt many people would miss them. Plus I'm pretty sure that the really productive people in TX would jump the border and come back to the USA.
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    @PNWest "CA is not on the list of states with large numbers of people asking to secede so the IQ issue is moot."
    hence the "if" of my statement.
    'If TX wants to leave I doubt many people would miss them."
    you see, that's where I disagree with you, if in the event that Texas "fully" secedes, then the US would not only "miss" us, but will be significantly affected negatively by it. One does not simply lose it's biggest energy producer and come out unscathed.
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    Sorry but fear has divided this country. Fear of losing status, fear of losing control, fear of people who are different than themselves. Fear if not being the majority in charge. President Obama is not the divider. President Obama is the product of the change that has come to our country. The change that has made a lot of America afraid.
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    @VCP What are you talking about? Division, half of this country does not approve of Obama and his policies. Fear, no more like insanity. Change? Unemployment with increasing numbers, people receiving food stamps at an all-time high, increasing health care prices with Obamacare, foreclosures on almost every street, bankruptcy rates at an all time high, gasoline prices at $4.00 a gallon and rising and on and on. You call that change, most folks call that failure! It is just a shame that we have people in country that find the above acceptable, apparently, they are not bright!
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    @VCP I totally agree with you VCP! And President Obama didn't divide this country, it was already divided. People are acting out of fear doing some crazy things they will regret later. Whether they realize it or not, we all need each other but the hate can be left behind.
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    @Zoe2012 Well it's ok. If you have to blame someone for your troubles, you can blame President Obama. He has big shoulders he can handle it.
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    At a personal level sure, secede yourself, renounce your citizenship and move. Texans are quite lucky that many can simply walk to another country and see if the grass is greener. If these people think this has any kind of mass attraction they are fooling themselves.
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    Let them go to Canada and freeze their you know what off! Let them move to Japan or China where they have stricter laws! Let them move to the middle east or Africa in deserts and famine! We'd be better off without them that's for sure!
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    @PuroChorizo361 Texans don't want to go to Canada or anywhere else. We want the constitution upheld in it's entirety, and also believe taxation without representation is tyranny. What we seem to have is a spend, spend, spend Federal Government and we are tired of it. We can't balance our budget (ha) but we keep on spending. Where do people think that money comes from?
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    In the White House website, petition sections, people from across the nation have signed petitions for secession of the Union — United States. Petitions state, "Peacefully grant the State of New Jersey to withdraw from the United States of America and create its NEW government," and if the petition exceed 25,000, response and decisions are made by the officials on Pennsylvania Ave, Washington, D.C.
    "...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."
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    @IraqWarVeteran You do know there's a typo in the sentence you quoted -- a word is missing. And if you read the secession statement, there are lots more basic errors. Do you really want to break off and form a new country with people who can't form a complete sentence?
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    It is a viable solution. Obama and the democrats have been in office for the last 4 years
    and people are entitled to their opinions and actions. Perhaps, if the democrats had a back bone, they would of done or suggested the same idea when Bush was in office. Instead, they whine and cry about his presidency even to this day. If the citizens of Texas are serious about secession, then their elected Governor should give it consideration.
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    I'm sorry. Most of us aren't stupid enough to think that seceding from the Union is the answer. But go ahead...you do it. Don't whine and cry as you claim the Democrats do. Have a backbone and secede! Get your whole state to do so. Lead a revolution that only far right-wingnuts want to be a part of. Claim your state as an independent country. Form your own government which has no liberal leanings, but only hard-nosed, religious right, America-hating people.
    Then, fund everything for your country yourselves. You won't have any help with infrastructure, no help in case of statewide emergencies, and damn well no medicare. You give up your rights to citizenship and run with it.

    You're welcome.
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    @Nat I have signed the petition for my state. If the secession is granted, peacefully, then I will follow the rules on as set forth by my new government and relinquishing all responsibilities and obligations associated with my American citizenship gladly.

    I have no problem funding and setting up our own form of government that does not support same sex marriages, foster entitlement mentalities nor empathetic to the next social issue that comes down the line. What I forsee that government doing and standing for is fiscal responsbility, foster a support yourself mentality instead of handouts or "Obamaphones" and defines marriage between one woman and one man.

    Of course, common sense dictates this secession talk is just that, talk. It will never come to fruition.

    However, it should serve as a warning to all of troubled waters on the horizon. I know I am prepared.
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    Hell, Washington DC appears to have seceded long ago. But, why pick on Texas? There are about 30 states sending in petitions...but I bet Smellinois is not one of them.
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    @Clbraz78 Well, if you look, I bet you will find some really good folks mixed in. I have found that to be true everywhere I have been. I guess there must be a balance to the craziness.
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    it really would be hilarious if the State department responded by revoking the citizenship of those that signed the petitions...
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    Can see it being productive in Texas with a Perry Texas state and an Austin state. Capitol of Austin would be Austin and Perry state capitol could be in El Paso.
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    I don't know of any state in the union that could survive completely without federal handouts. This threat of secession is childish... like when I was 8 years old, I threatened to run away from home because I couldn't have a 2nd helping of banana pudding. I know the states themsleves didn't push for this, but the citizens who pushed for it are not thinking that notion through...

    Are you going to establish your own treaties and trade agreements? Are you going to defend your own borders? Take care of your own poor people? Educate all your kids? Mint your own money? Establish your own postal service? Repair your own highways?

    Stop being such a big baby, and be part of the solution! Take some responsibility for the change you want to see. Try coming up with some ideas instead of more knee-jerk reactions.
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    i say if they want to try secession then let them.but when they do take away all benefits of being american like disability and medicare and if they want to enter into the us to go visit someone or do business in another state make them have pass ports to do so.it is a privilege to be Americans and if Texas don't want to be Americans let the mexican government take them back over
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    Threatening to secede from the rest of America because you don't like it here is pathetic. If you don't like it here then go to another country! Besides if a state or a group of states did secede,they'd probably come running back to the rest of America in a few months because they can't form a proper government to support themselves.
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    I don't see that the secessionistas have thought this through too well - as in what sort of government would they impose on themselves? The Texas petition at least implies a certain amount of plagiarism might ensue, "... re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

    Now if one of these guys stands up in favor of a monarchy, I'll sign that petition! I think North America needs a "King Chad" or a "King Wilbur" or maybe even a "Queen GaGa!"
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