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    It wasn't Ireland's law that prevented her life being saved. It was the docs treating her. And most likely to do with socialized medicine. Welcome to what is on the horizon.
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    @Zazziness stoooopid people do stoopid things. These hcw were stoopid. Not only did they cause the woman's death, but her unborn child. Ridiculous.
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    @Zazziness Was she forced to go to a Catholic hospital? The left is not going to force the Catholics to start performing abortions. End of story.
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    @Calfkiller I thought that too. That's why I also thought they were part of the socialized medical system there. Im thinking she didn't have a choice in location. I'm wondering why they didn't see the infection. Ahh more Irecare...
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    @Penn1699 exactly. What really peeves me is that the left is in total denial mode of anything that points to the negative effects of gov't mandated healthcare. They would rather entertain the delusion that everyone is going to be happy and live till they are a hundred. Of course people will still die young, but that will only happen to other people not them. If only the mean stinking rich republicans would see the error of their ways.
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    @Starsplash - No we dont. In the US the law of the land favors the mother over the child when the mothers life is in danger.

    What you seem to be trying to compare would be the idea of Conservatives and moderates wanting to limit publicly funded abortion on demand.

    In the case of this story, in the United States, the woman would have been alive and the child would have been terminated.
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    This is what happens when you mingle religion and medicine you get egotistical people who make a decision based on what they believe to be right! Instead of listening to a woman who knows her body better then anyone!
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    Abortion should not be question, if a woman want's it it should be her desicion not the goverment, cleric, spouse or any other human or institution. It is her body!
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    And what decision does the child get to make with it's body? What makes it's life less valuable. I am all for government, clergy, neighbors and institutions staying out of our life's. And I mean making no moral or personnel lifestyle decisions in our life's at all. But the killing of a child should not treated as if a tumor is being removed. What is being removed from a woman's body in an abortion is not the woman's body but another individuals life and it has every right to live. There are circumstances such as is this case when abortion is the only alternative but never as birth control.
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    What if the other person who contributed DNA wants the child. Is it not also part of them and they should have the right to claim it? If a woman doesn't want the pregnancy she needs to guard against, now that is her choice to choose the best birth control method, abortion should never be considered a birth control option.
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    @truthsayer, This great nation of ours lets us make most of our own desicions, that's what. If I wanted the government make desicions on our bodies I would move to China. I do not consider a human being until delivered. If women would not have a choice the possibility of aborting the mass would not have been created. Since the possibility is there then there has to be a reason for it to be used, maybe an unfit or immature future mother as an example. There are no laws against the male bodies because the world has been ran by the male gender. If it was up to me every deadbeat parent would have to be sterilized when they do not take care of the first offspring they produce. How about implementing that as a law? How would males would feel about that?
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    @citizen7 If the second party contributor of the DNA wants the child after being in the woman's oven then let them get an oven of themselves to transfer that zygote. Since that is not a possibility yet the mother's right's supersedes the other donor. Possession is nine-tenths of the law is an expression meaning that ownership is easier to maintain if one has possession of something, and much more difficult to enforce if one does not.
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    @CAUCASIAN So basically you are saying a fetus ( baby to me) is property of the woman? If we use that old law then children until they become adults are considered chattel and can be beaten, abused, mistreated at will because they are nothing more than property. However, I do agree with sterilization of deadbeat parents male and female. I also think if a female has more than 2 abortions, unless her life bein danger, should be sterilized because apparently she isn't capable of making good decisions.
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    The point of the law is so that when cases like this happen the husband or wife has a legal case for tragedies like this.
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    I cannot worry about Ireland's laws. We need to deal with our own. I will say though this is a cautionary tale about the possible negative results from forcing ideology into law.
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    The Irish law didn't kill her, she was killed by unbelievably incompetent medical care. A simple WBC count combined with her symptoms would have revealed a raging infection. If the MD's withheld an abortion due to religious convictions they're murderers; they caused her death
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    @AceLuby She was murdered by incompetent physicians acting in violation of Irish law on what they perceived as G-ds will, typical Catholic thinking. They are murderers plain and simple. When a woman, 17 weeks pg presents, fully dilated, leaking amniotic fluid there is NO way a fetus can survive. She will miscarry 100% of the time. So they did nothing for 3 DAYS waiting for fetal death before proceeding with a D&C by then the mother had septicemia and died of the overwhelming blood infection. Irish law permits abortion to save the mother, the incompetent religious MD zealots are killers and should be tried as such
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    @martydotcom If they never thought her life was in danger then the law is on their side since it requires there not to be a heartbeat, not that it is inevitable that the fetus will not survive.
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    @AceLuby If they didn't perceive the woman's life to be endager then they have no business practicing medicine. She was given blood test WBC which revealed a raging infection. If you understand anything about medicine you would know that when you have a patient with the symptoms as described in numberous articles describing the case: Irish, UK (where Irish go for abortionss) and US reports.
    Symptom 1 17 weeks PG Dialated and leaking amniotic fluid = guarantied result 100% of the time fetal death miscarriage.
    Symptom 2 17 Week PG females in severe pain, temperation 102 degress WBC Count extreamly elevated. Conclusion in conjunction with system #1 Mother is in big trouble. Dx blood infection due to dying fetus in womb.
    Only way to save mother's life Immediate IV Antibiotics + DC
    The law does not require that there be a heartbeat only that the mothers life be in danger STICK WITH FACTS
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    There has to be more to this story. Typically, antibiotics would have resolved the issue. Why would a pregnancy have caused her death from an infection?

    I worked for many years at a Catholic Hospital and if a female patient's life was in danger from a pregnancy and she wanted to terminate, the patient was transferred to a hospital that would perform a termination. Frankly, I think the Catholic Hospitals should just close their doors, let someone else care for the poor and needy.
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    While I am against the abortion as a form of birth control (which is what planned parenthood pushes), I of course understand abortion is a needed procedure that can be used as needed for a variety of purposes, including saving the mother's life, rape pregnancies, and of course, for the personal reasons of the mother. Abortion access should never be denied under any circumstances. She should have got the abortion so she could have lived.
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    Yes, it could! Yes, it is!
    In this case, not only is the fetus dead, so is the Mother.
    "Right to life!?" In this case no one lived!
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    so what now? Did someone suggest we should adopt Irelands view's on abortion? Obviously the same thing could happen in the U.S.. The difference is that she couldn't be denied in the U.S..
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    No the bill being brought in Ohio would not give an exception for anything! If the zygoat or fetus has a heartbeat which at times can be seen on a ultrasound in as little as 3 weeks it will be against the law to terminate.
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    @classychazy isn't that what the law says? unless there is a significant threat to the mother? The law has nothing to do with what happened. It was the Doctors who happened to be operating in a socialized healthcare system who didn't perform the necessary procedure. Politix Mary and the left are in for a shock if they think they are going to force the Catholics to start performing abortions. Who cares if Ohio passes the law or not. Anyone that doesn't like it has the option of going out of state.
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    The laws must change. No one should ever be denied an abortion. This situation was disgusting. The Catholic Church is run by criminals.
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    Abortion should be legalized. This is not up for political or religious discussion. The decision lies with the concerned parties, their God and their faith. The government has no need to meddle furthur in this messing with personal affairs that they created with Roe v/s Wade.
  • #137
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    Although I can understand the temptation, most mothers would lay down their life for their child. This child was alive and to kill an innocent person who is alive is murder.
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