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    It will never stand up to a appeal Test...and the judge who did this should be removed from Office he is a moron.
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    @Souljah Na Moron is what it was intended to say I could have used Mormon moron but i don't know that he is a Mormon but we do know he is a moron with a decision like that.
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    First of all that Judge should be barred from the bench. An underage teen killing someone is not to be given a hand slap and turned loose on society again with no real punishment. Second of all this is clearly unconstitutional. Third, is this what the right wing "Christians" do when a white boy kills someone drunk yet they would have executed a black for the same crime in Utah.
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    If you actually read the story - it isn't a Utah kid and judge. This happened in Oklahoma. The guy killed was the 17 year old's best friend. The driver wasn't "legally intoxicated" as he was below the legal limit. The parents of the deceased stood up for the boy and are relieved at the sentence. It's a deferred sentence that can be revoked if the kid screws up or commits any criminal acts. Seems to me a sad situation that the judge tried to take what was best for everyone involved. And yeah, the kid already goes to church so the church portion of his sentence isn't a hardship for him - I imagine he has already punished himself some and I doubt that will end anytime soon.
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    I get the First Amendment argument but it seems to me the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment may apply, too. Would this judge have offered an atheist or even a non-Christian the same choice?
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    "Would this judge have offered an atheist or even a non-Christian the same choice?"
    Not a chance in hell. Or... where ever you believe sucks the most in the whole world? Nebraska?
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    @Fishbone345
    I have no doubt that if your parents and the victims parents agreed to it that an atheist or non believer could get the same sentence.
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    @hwyangel My parents? I didn't drink, then get into a car and murder someone. I'm not guilty, my parents aren't part of the issue at all.
    See, I know better than to be an inconsiderate, arrogant murderer.
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    @Fishbone345

    I have never drank and drove, but I have done a piece or two of stupid when I young, so I can understand how easy it is for kids to find trouble.
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    This is a liberal that got convicted of manslaughter, right? How does the judge know that the liberal will indeed attend church? I think our country is sliding off a moral cliff and judges like this one are helping to push us over that cliff. The rule of law has been left unenforced the last four years. These kind of radical judgments leave our moral fabric badly torn. The convict should be sent to jail and the judge should be relieved of his duties.

    Btw, Mike Norman, I'm disgusted that you would do something that would put me on the side of the wicked ACLU. They are a disgusting organization, but they are right for once, in this instance.
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    "This is a liberal that got convicted of manslaughter, right?"

    What gives the idea he is a liberal? This happened in Utah. Liberals are not that common.
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    A Mormon judge in a Mormon state sentences a good Mormon boy to 10 years attendance at the Mormon church that he would probably be attending anyway for negligently killing a man. Maybe he will get time off for good behavior while on his mission. Clear violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution and probably favoritism shown to a kid from his ward as well.
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    @SavageMazx Well a good percentage of men attending church regularly would disagree with that statement, but then you are likely arguing the definition of "Good Mormon Boy" and not the bitter reality that they don't exist.
    Its more like, "Most the Good Mormon Boys in this state are hypocrites, and drink just as much as others"
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    "probably favoritism shown to a kid from his ward as well."
    Damn right. I highly doubt that given the same circumstances this sentence would be given to a minority in Salt Lake City. In fact, I'd wager my life on it.
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    I like the fact that they are trying to put god int this kids lifee but if he is forced to go then he probably isnt gonna learn anything and he is gonna hate church even more.... I love tge intention behind this sentence but i dont think it is right to force a religiob on someone... What if everything that was preached on was against what he believes....
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    In the old days a judge often would drop or mitigate the sentence of a boy who joined the military. This actually had to affect of putting the boy under a system of different courts. In this case you may not know that the supreme court has ruled that certain religious questions are out of their purview and are the responsibility of religious courts. In this case the actual definition of religious service as in the case of military are not nessesarily his to define. If an atheist is sentenced to a nonreligious set of community service is their a difference beyond changing courts of jurisdiction.
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    I've never been to jail, so I feel like it would be silly to assume I truly understand what that burden is like. I do know what it's like to be forced to go to church once a week for ten years and while I find it utterly horrible to force that on anyone, it surely isn't torture. But it leads me to think that if someone truly earned some form of "punishment" letting them pick an hour or two a week in a relatively pleasant environment is a gross injustice. And what a sick way of sharing ones faith, through force and manipulation.
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    It shouldn't be an option. The law has NO right to FORCE someone to go to religious devices even if the person asks for that sentence. The sentencing violates the Constitution.
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    I live in Oklahoma, and honestly- this is denigrating to our secular citizens. Within a twenty mile radius of my house, there must be at least 50 churches, and that's a conservative estimate.
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