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    I agree with this. I made mention in a below comment about how I can't find any reference to the 12 month penalty outside the dissenting judge's opinion.
    However, what this law did was require the KY Department of Homeland Security to reference that security can only come from God. This is part of the required training for state emergency management employees. That is where I see the line being crossed.
    I have linked an article that gives a better history and explanation as to why this is unconstitutional. http://clcablog.wordpress.com/
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    @wild_turkey6-- I'm not contesting that it's unconstitutional. I'm saying that the knee-jerk inference is that Kentucky is scooping up atheists and throwing them in jail.
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    @Bobolinsky I know. That is what I was referring to also. I saw the alternet article on Reddit a few days ago. Most of the comments there were also about how misleading the headline was. I just added the other for a little context.
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    First amendment straight up says no endorsement of religion. To be honest, churches, and other religious for-profit companies shouldn't be the getting the tax breaks they get.
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    As much as the Atheists annoy me with their constant whine about people who do believe, as in for some reason just because they don't believe, no one should, this is once that they are correct. Requiring belief in God for anything violates the 1st. Amendment.
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    um... i agree with what you've said here for the most part, but no. i know many atheists and not one of them thinks that anyone else should believe that there's no god simply because they do. i have been a christian pastor for over 30 years and have never felt pressured by atheists to believe as they do. the fact is, however, that it's the overly religious and undereducated who attempt to do so.
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    I have never once tried to convince somebody who believes in God to not believe in God, however I have had literally hundreds of religious people try to convince me to believe in God. So........
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    @erbmrb Did you respond to me before? I can't recall the name but it was a very reasoned reply stating mostly what you posted. Unfortunately, there are too few like you or you're just quiet and let the loud ones do their thing. I've seen so many comments from other atheists denigrating MY belief as if I'm stupid or something. That sort of dialog never goes over well. I don't care if one believes or not, it's a free will thing and whatever one does, as long as it's legal, is fine with me. I just wish the other atheists wouldn't work so hard to ruin Christmas for the majority of us with their very childish attempts to stamp out any display pertaining to Christmas. I refer, of course, to the stunts the atheists pulled in Santa Monica, CA leading the town to ban all displays on public land so no more Christmas Row, something that they've had for 30+ years until the atheists loaded the permit request with so many that pretty much all that got shown was pretty ugly anti-Christmas stuff, things that had no other reason to exist but to scare children, make they upset and denigrate anyone, according to them, stupid and backward enough to believe in God (a myth to them) and Christmas. So, to those guys, I hope you had fun, upsetting little kids and making them cry and fear that Santa wouldn't come. Nice, real nice, I imagine they also (NOT YOU!) pull the wings off butterflys and kick puppies for fun. A bully by any stripe is not a nice thing.
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    @Tralee "I've seen so many comments from other atheists denigrating MY belief as if I'm stupid or something."

    When a Christian thinks I will go to hell for not sharing their beliefs, is that not denigrating as well? The difference, of course, is that I'm not wishing you ill will if I think your beliefs are stupid.

    "I just wish the other atheists wouldn't work so hard to ruin Christmas for the majority of us with their very childish attempts to stamp out any display pertaining to Christmas. I refer, of course, to the stunts the atheists pulled in Santa Monica, CA..."

    The ban on Christmas displays on public property in Santa Monica was the result of some Christians behaving like spoiled brats. Besides religious displays on public property being unconstitutional anyway, the atheists there had fairly won spots for theirs. The ban resulted because some Christians decided to vandalize atheist displays rather than turning the other cheek. Besides, no one is stopping the Christians in Santa Monica from putting Nativity scenes on private property.

    "all that got shown was pretty ugly anti-Christmas stuff, things that had no other reason to exist but to scare children..."

    Oh, I am absolutely positive the kids were traumatized. How will they ever cope from learning Santa isn't real?
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    @SkepticSimian See, this is the type of post I was talking about. Angry. If you read my post, I don't give a hoot if your belief system is silk shirts, NOMB, and the same goes for you as far as MY belief system. It's rude to try to bully a certain belief simply because you think you are right. As I said, a bully, no matter their stance, is not nice. However, thank you for validating my opinion. SOME atheists are just not nice people and seem to get pleasure out of spoiling the fun of others, think of them as PETA people but just against God, for anyone, anywhere, no matter who they hurt in the process. It's not up to YOU to decide what MY children believe in, got that Pal? MY decision and if you want your kids to believe something entirely different, that's YOUR decision. Get that point? Or is your way the only way?
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    Ok, all yall atheist in other states that will never come to Kentucky and never want to come to Kentucky. How about leave us alone. We ain't bothering you. If we wanna put up a sign that says,"love God." Does that really hurt you? Maybe we should take down all signs so no one gets hurt. I live in Kentucky and have visited a bunch of other states. The people here are just like people everywhere else. I know a atheist or two and the only thing I can tell that is different from them and normal people. The big difference is atheists seem unhappy and mad about how there life is unlucky and things never go there way. Humm, well there might be a reason for that?? If you don't wanna believe, that's fine, but stop getting the government and the aclu to push Christians and Kentucky around. Sometimes the person getting pushed around, will push back.
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    It's unconstitutional. Plain and simple. I live in West Virginia and frequent Kentucky on a regular basis. The ignorance of people like you never ceases to astound me. It's nearly 2013, and we STILL have to fight to keep religion out of government. It's quite sad, really.
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    "I know a atheist or two ... " And that makes you an authority on how all atheists live their lives? What an amazing mindset you have.

    "If we wanna put up a sign that says,"love God." Does that really hurt you?" It does when you put me in prison for a year or so just because I don't "love God." If you would trouble yourself to actually read the article, this isn't about the sign, it's about punishing people who aren't Christians.

    "The people here are just like people everywhere else." I lived in Kentucky for a couple of years, and I can unequivocally deny that. You must not get out much.

    " ... stop getting the government and the aclu to push Christians and Kentucky around." In this case, it is Kentucky that is doing the pushing.
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    This is probably like one if those old blue laws that EVERY state has. Like a law saying that you can't throw snowballs on mondays in august. Or you can't walk your pig on Sundays on the left side iof the road. They might be in the law books but not gonna be enforced. Everybody just take deep breath and relax. There ain't gonna be a witch hunt but most Christians are getting tired of be pushed around and seeing our America destroyed right in front of us
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    How does this sort of thing happen in the 21st century? Nothing will doom this country quicker than the persistent adoption of such an archaic mindset.
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    In this instance, where government is DIRECTLY mixing itself in with religion...unconstitutional. This is a far cry from voting for a President or representative based on beliefs founded in religion.
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    @Cool_voter The difference is, those things only establish a framework. The average citizen only thinks about them when they are pointed out. I'm willing to bet you don't think "That'll be 5 Jesus Dollars" every time you pump gas or buy groceries. But an actual posted notice with prison time as a penalty for THINKING differently? Uh uh.
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    @martydotcom Actually, if you read the news story the article references that's a good point. One of the supporting opinions stated that even though Christians refer to their God as God...God is still a generic term for a male deity. Now, if anyone should be offended it's Wiccans since Goddess wasn't included. :)
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    Preambles do not override the US Constitution. Ky is part of the USA and therefore mush comply with the US Constitution. I think we should send in the marines and beat the hill jacks into submission.
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    according to the preamble of kentucky, it is entirely a legal and reasonable law. and one must remember, that states and commonwealths are republics. so state and commonwealth governments, are not a democracy.

    Kentucky 1891 Preamble: We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…
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    This is just religious fear mongering and goes against freedom of speech or beliefs. It's a short jump from atheism to infidel on any religious view. I've seen fundies get upset over Buddhism.
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    Kentucky's a Christian state that loves GOD it doesn't hurt my feelings when you say you doesn't want to visit just one less person the state and people have to worry about. If you have never been here then don't judge us.
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    Actually, what the Constitution says, is that Congress will not establish a religion, nor will it prevent the FREE exersice of ANY religion. What it does NOT say, is that you do not have a right to NOT be offended! Which as a resident and native of the Commonwealth of Kentucky, many of the comments made, I find very offensive!! But it is your right to make those comments. If it offends me, well, fine.....just remember, if I say something offensive to you, then you too must just get over it!!!! Those of you that have never been to my great Commonwealth, you really need to come visit for yourself. As a people we are no different....we do have a very diverse population, just as any place else on this planet. We also live in one of the most beautiful topographical landscapes this country has to offer! From the mountains to the Bluegrass, ya'll come see us, we will be honored.
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    "There ain't nothin' in the world like a big eyed girl to make act so funny, make me spend my money, make me feel real loose like a like a long neck goose, oh baby you know what I like!" P.S. a POX in religion. All religion.
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