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    If people want to have sex while on R&R then that will be nothing new. Troops having sex on the front line would not only be hard for unit integrity, it would also tend to make people drop their vigilance and might get people killed.
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    The article itself says the ban has already been lifted. I guess when the election is over and it's still a holiday weekend, the Politix staff has to create controversy out of thin air in order to have a subject to post! I do take issue with the notion that abstinance is impossible for anyone. It is, but most people see is no point in it.
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    /Well, no it says that it was only "partially lifted" and only for "personnel in Afghanistan"...Presumably it is still in full force elsewhere.
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    @Realthinker No, I understand, and would tend to agree with you. Its just that---when people are under stress in a strange place (an avid discription of being deployed)---they will inevitably "do things" that may seem inappropriate...I just don't know how anyone can mandate a stop to human nature.
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    @Sonny Each command within CENTCOM (Central Command, pretty much the entire Middle East) writes their own General Order based on Guidelines given from CENTCOM. CENTCOM's GO 1 doesn't mention sex at all. The current Afghanistan GO1 does discourage sex. When I was in Iraq in 2010, they had a similar GO1. I don't know about the other AOs within CENTCOM.
    I have attached a link to both CENTCOM and Afghanistan's GO1s.(these may change or have already changed, based on the current commanding General)
    http://timemilitary.files.wordpress.com/2012/...
    http://www.militaryatheists.org/regs/JPGO1B-4...
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    There is always that one whining individual that cannot curb their animal instinct to be touched down there. Take a bar of soap into the shower or do what you need to do for that release, miss.

    The war zone,(No Matter WTF M*A*S*H showed you) is no place for sex.

    So long as Adultery is a crime punishable under the UCMJ, the "No Sex While Deployed" rule will need to stand because a significant number of the enlisted and deployed are married...and their spouses are in the States.

    What would be the Military responsibility if a Deployed soldier came back and gave his wife an STD that he contracted from another Depoloyed soldier?

    The rules are there to set blame for problems squarely on the soldier responsible.
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    I agree. Those rules are there because conduct is of the utmost importance in the military and it keeps a leash on problems, especially in a coed military. I'm sure if someone wants to masturbate to relieve sexual frustrations or tensions, then they'll find the time if they have any alone time at all. The right thing is to make sure that soldiers get time to come back and spend time with their families as opposed to being deployed for years.
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    @MongoAPillager SO you think in the midst of a definition of conflict where a "mission" is of the utmost importance, and possible national security is at risk, that the "U.S Military" should abandon conduct, professionalism, and excellence and become Jersey Shore?
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    @Chrysalis UUmm did i say that?maybe i need to brush up on my writing skills,cause i hate anything to do with jersey shore,except jersey cows???
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    @MongoAPillager No, but you used rhetoric that insinuated that in order to keep conflict down then perhaps we should not allow women into the military which is silly because it refreshes old attitudes that sexually objectify women and only views women as something to have sex with. And then you said single parents which makes one think that the function of the military might be the next singles bar? Bottom line, people don't join the military to hook up with other people, and the military has certain rules in place for a reason, people who join are supposed to inform themselves about what they are going into and the nature of deployment is supposed to be a sensitive issue. If you are more worried about getting laid during deployment then getting killed, then maybe the military isn't the right place for that person.
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    I served for 24 years, single for 7 of them, so I offer this informed opinion: You are asking young people to volunteer the best years of their lives, to give up any chance of finding or keeping a civilian girlfriend or boyfriend, to be away from simple comforts for a year or more, to abandon any privacy, to risk death, and yet you want to forbid them from finding comfort with each other. To all of you who have never served, who have never deployed for 6, 8, 12 or more months, how dare you sit in the comfort of your ergonomic chair and tell these brave folks what morals you want to impose on them?
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    Umm. I'd hope while I'm on the front line trying to keep my butt in one piece & my fellow soldiers alive that everyone else would have that singular mission in mind. Not how nice an ass the soldier next to me has or how they'd like to get into his/her pants. They are at war, not at a nightclub/bar. There is a time for sex & deployment isn't the time....or place. How quick will you be at reaching your weapon when distracted by sex. If "miss" is so distracted by lack of sex maybe she is in the wrong "field". Maybe she needs to get out of the military & become an escort state side. Just sayin
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    Well I'm quite sure that no one would be "engaging" while under fire...I don't think that is necessarily what the article is suggesting... So I think you would be safe from having to watch a sex act, while in a fox hole, and taking enemy mortar fire...Hope that helps...Geez!!!
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    @Sonny No need to be sarcastic. I was trying to say without writing a book that even if at base camp the threat of bombing etc is real so every soldier there should be on guard & ready for danger in some form. I don't believe having your fatigues down around your knees & your attentions "elsewhere" would be considered as acting in a responsible manner toward your fellow soldiers. I'd hate to be questioned once the dust cleared & asked where were you during the fire fight with my answer being "I was "in" private so & so. And I'd damn sure hate to know my battle buddy died because I was off somewhere having sex when I was supposed to be covering his ass. Better make up a better story if you ever have the opportunity to speak with dead battle buddys family. If you can't be a good soldier & follow the rules maybe it's time to get out. Soldiers have sex during R&R off base. It's a fact.
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    @Sonny And what about the soldiers that want to drink? What about the soldier that wants to take their pistol, shotgun, rifle or any other personally owned firearm? What about the Soldier that wants to bring their Harley? What about the soldier that wants to go hunting? What about the soldier that wants to bring their dog? What about soldiers with wives and girlfriends back home, can they fly home to sleep with them or can they bring them too? You want to lift a regulation cause one interest then what stops you from doing it for every interest group?
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    @ADudeCalledRay Ok get it straight, "Dude"..It was NOT my suggestion or question that any ban be lifted. If you read my posts they merely cite the impracticality of trying to force someone to not do something that is as natural as breathing...So if you want to rant and/or get mad at somebody---Take it up with God...he/she is the one that made us as we are...not me, not you, and certainly not the military....Personally I really don't give a damn if they lift the ban or not...Hell it won't effect me one way or the other...LOL
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    Apparently they break them quite a bit and when these unmarried women soliders become pregnant they get relocated and are treated differently then had it been a male solider with a health problem or who got caught smoking pot or something and who would be given a discharge and released.
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    @Denizen_Kate That is true, but in the end those women generally get preferential treatment as oppose to a male getting caught with alcohol. What I get so tired of hearing is how "women aren't getting treated fairly enough" from people who seem to be under this impression that women are getting treated so unfairly. If you can not take complaints about gender discrimination going against men then you have not one ounce of space to complain about it when it works against women.
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    @ADudeCalledRay - It sounds like you're doing the complaining, not me. And FYI, many women don't consider pregnancy to be "preferential treatment." I admit to knowing little about the military's rules on getting caught with alcohol, but I've never heard of different male vs female punishment for that.
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    @Denizen_Kate Well, I do know the rules. And yes, often times women do get special treatment merely because of their gender. With that being said, I am so tired of hearing feminists complain about them not getting a "fair shake" in life and then when a legitimate complaint of gender discrimination is done on behalf of a male the male is told to simply "get over it".
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    And the first Soldier that gets into trouble for adultery should point to Gen Allen and Petraeus as examples. If leaders fail to meet standards, then they unofficially created a new standard.
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    Well I sure as hell wouldn't recommend that you or anyone else try to "physically stop it"....LOL
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    By all means END IT! Make sure to let the gays know its alright to 'sleep over' and have pajama parties too! It is obserd to tell grown ups that they cant still enjoy normal human lives while they are putting themselves in harms way to protect us.
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    Here's a hint...I don't that they are talking about ONLY "gays"...I mean, believe it or not, hetero's soldiers also engage in sex...Again, hope this helps...Geez!!
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    @Sonny Will you PLEASE get yor head out of yoru ass!!!!!! I didnt say it meant for only gays. I was merely showing my disapproval that they had already removed the dont ask dont tell but I ALSO said it was simply stupid to not allow normal humans the right to be 'normal' ESPECIALLY when they were trying to protect us.. I personally DID NOT KNOW that it was against the 'rules of the military' to be normally active while deployed. I mean,,,,,,, what woud lit hurt too????
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    @Kellso Wouldn't it have been just a bit more civil (and shorter) just to point out that we agree on something for a change.....I mean telling me to "get my head out of my ass"...is a hell of a way to tell me we are on the same page...LOL..
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    What does it matter if they have sex while deployed? As long as all parties are consenting then it should be alright. Women in the military get pregnant and adjustments are made. Same can be done for those deployed. Not good to have a bunch of "stressed" soldiers huddled into one place...
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    i don't believe the reason, for joining the armed forces. should be to have, the promise of hot sex. which could result in furthering, dangerous and deadly distractions. nor is this in the job descriptions, for what they are being paid to do. and the military is about, self control in hazardous situations.
  • #93
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    There is a good reason that rule is in place. First, nobody needs to be getting knocked up while on the frontlines. Second, what of those who are married and have spouses back home? No Sex While Deployed means No Drama While Deployed
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    The rules are there for good reasons,no reason to change them just because a few find it difficult to keep their pants on.But then those fools don't let a little thing like themselves being married stop them either.
  • #80
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    Yes they should. Why? Because, just take the above picture and replace the woman with a man. Now how in the hell could we be respected in other regions of the world when we would have men with men and women with women on these streets making out in full veiw of the world. Just because we were forced to accept it dosn't mean every other country has to. Not saying I don't respect our gay soldiers, just don't respect their lifestyle. I had no problem with the "don't ask don't tell" agenda.
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    Any rule, anywhere, any time, against having sex is begging to be broken. What a silly, prudish rule to have in the first place. Young people are going to have sex. Period. And what better way to feel truly alive in a life-threatening deployment?
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    If you want to be in the club, group or organization, then follow the rules. Why do people think that they have to join something and then try to change it. If you don't like the rules, don't join.
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    it should be banned. if people have issues with gays in the military then sex should be an issue also. soliders shouldnt even be concerned with sex until they get home. they signed up knowing the conditions so now they should be made to deal with it or either get out of it.
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