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  • #19
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    Google "anti gay preachers outed". the links go on for pages
    Regretabally there is no cure for stupid and if a gay child is cursed with stupid parents who happen to be followers of a stupid evangelical preacher there is little society can do to over rule parental control
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    A-holes on both sides of the issue trying to force other to give in to their morality. This issue shouldn't be made in to political legislative fodder. My kids are my kids, and your kids are yours. You do what you feel is right and I'll do the same. Let the lawyers push a broom, that's all they're really qualified for.
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    That logic simply doesn't hold up. My kids are my kids, but that doesn't mean I get to do or treat them any way I see fit. For better or for worse, kids have rights too.
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    @AceLuby Abuse is another matter. But first one must determine what constitutes abuse. If I don't want my kid to act and dress a certain way,that's up to me and no one else. I don't see that as abuse. When the kid is 18, they be any thing they chose.
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    @FollowTheMoney Being gay is not a behavioral issue though. If a straight kid was being forced into therapy to 'make him gay' and was forced to dress and act as gay as possible w/ threat of punishment if they were ever thought of as straight, would you not consider that abuse?
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    God is under attack in America. You would think America would be be the last sanctuary of God in a godless world, but it's not. Even here a Christian must be vigilant to defend his faith and right to exercise that faith. Parents are often concerned for their children. I think that is okay and that one should not cede their parental responsibilities to the state or feds.

    Elections have consequences. The electorate made some very bad choices so now we face some dire consequences. A lot of prophecies from the Bible are starting to be fulfilled. Stay strong my fellow Christian brothers and sisters. Strap on your seat belts, because the ride is about to get really rocky.
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    Nobody is "attacking god"...Just ignorant people who want to pass ignorant laws. That's all.
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    @Sonny - You are right about a lot of ignorant people passing ignorant laws in America. One day that will not be a problem anymore.

    May God bless you Sonny. May God bless us all.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix I'm already "blessed" by my own personal faith, if you don't mind...So please feel free to offer your "blessings" elsewhere. Thank you.
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    They challenge it based on the 1st amendment? How about i'll see you the preamble and raise you the 14th amendment. The children also have a right to breathe free and make their own choices. the reprocussions of being forcefully closetted are well documented. these 'cured' children will never be free, either sexually or socially, and are therefore prone at best to divorce later when they do what they need to on the down-low ... or at worst with substance abuse and severe depression, possibly suicide.
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    Being gay is not a sickness or a choice you are either gay or you are not. Taking a child to be "cured" its not just insane its cruel! I think any parent who would force this so called "cure" on their child should be charged with mental abuse of a child and should lose said child while also doing jail time.
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    I think what we have here is a bunch of "charlatan's"---sell ing a sh*t load of "snake oil cures" to a group of worried parents...Its a cottage industry for the extreme right. And I am telling you, they are doing nothing but making a boat load of money off of these parents. Telling them that there is a "cure" fore something that is not even an illness in the first place...Its just another right wing money-making racket...that prays on the ignorant.
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    I would be more interested in seeing the churches push harder for conversion therapy for all PEDOPHILE PRIESTS. How is it they can accept the fact that pedophile priests cannot be converted and are then relocated to another parish to continue their sick acts against children, but they are scared to death that any of those children might display homosexual tendencies? Again, the religious have shown what they truly are and have voluntarily, if inadvertently, withdrawn all credibility for what they stand for.
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    Amen!!!! Clean your own house before you start telling me how dirty mine is! Ever notice that the loudest screamers are usually the worst offenders? The Catholic Church and The Boy Scouts of America quickly leap to mind. And these are the folks claiming moral superiority.
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    This is not a religious issue to anyone with an I.Q. over 80. I have issues with effeminate gay males and I am an atheist. I also live in Los Angeles and have had to deal with effeminate gay men pretty much all my life. I don't think gays can be "cured", and I think they were born that way. But that doesn't excuse the way most effeminate gay males act. You act like a redneck and chances are you will be seen as a redneck. You act like a w hore and chance are you will be seen as a w hore. Gay or straight. Male or female. But it's not religion for me.
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    @jessejaymes I admit I'm not quite sure what you're eluding to.........it IS a religious issue to anyone with an I.Q. over 80? The religious group(s) who are fighting the ban have higher I.Q.s than those who see it as more harmful than helpful? Liberty Counsel, a Christian group linked to the late Jerry Falwell, has brought a federal lawsuit to prevent the law taking effect. They call the ban "an astounding violation of the right to free speech and religious liberty."
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    @jessejaymes

    I think effeminate gay males are a riot! I'm not gay myself, but I have plenty of gay friends (male and female) and effeminate gay males are my favorite to hang out with because I usually laugh my ass off. The humor is non-stop! But I've always liked over-the-top personalities with a self-depracating, wicked sense of humor. To each their own.
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    @jamayla Let me see if I can clear one thing up. I am an atheist and I think those who make ANYTHING a "religious issue" are simply idiots. Having said that I will be interested to see how the courts rule on this as it progresses up to the Supreme Court and both the gays and the Christians waste about a trillion more dollars fighting over something I personally think can't be legislated out of existence no matter how foolish it is. And that is what I keep trying to understand why gay people can't understand what I have come to accept. It's not a perfect world. It never will be and I for one and sick to death of this constant court battles over one side or the other thinking these are "issues of supreme importance". They simply are not. Kids have been subjected to unfair things since day one. I was subjected to the Southern Baptist church. If that won't warp your mind nothing will. It's being made out here like thousands upon thousands of gay kids are being forced into a "cure" by their parents. I find that to be highly doubtful.
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    The premise that a person's sexual orientation can be changed means that the people that believe this think that it is a choice. If it is a choice, then those same people can be just as easily swayed to a homosexual lifestyle. Therefore, everyone is bi-sexual. The pope, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, etc., are all closet rectum raiders (or raidees) just needing a little re-education to come on out. If A= B, then B=A. It's simple logic.
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    @mimi57

    Simplified: if you believe a person's sexual orientation can be changed from gay to straight, logic dictates that a person can also be just as easily changed from straight to gay. A ridiculous concept. That help?
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    @ZappaCrappa No, if you are gay, that's your business, I truly do not care. To bring up the Pope, Billy Graham,
    and others who believe in God into the mix is absurd, and only being done for "attention"...yes, it is ridiculous.
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    I'm fearful of my child turning out to be gay. If I notice him/her leaning that way, I'd still love him/her. It truly could be worse-- he/she could get into far worse things than same sex relations. I do agree with the studies that show trying to reprogram a kid is damaging. It's better to live and let live.
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    i don't have a dog in the fight other than to say the gov needs to stay out of the parents business. as long as they are not beating or starving the kid. gov is over stepping its bounds when it comes to family and their beliefs and how some chose to raise their kids.

    the way things are going some want the gov to tell them what brand tp they have to buy and from what store.whats next put the kids in camps so gov can have total control over the upbringing,some seem to like that idea.
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    One thing I know is that Liberals will censor any free speech or religious freedom to further their Liberal ideology. They are without a doubt the biggest hypocrites this nation has. Remember when the Liberals were always the first ones to scream censorship and free speech whenever books with naked photos of children were in book stores and conservatives wanted them out? Remember when a Crucifix in a jar or urine was considered art by Liberals and protected under free speech? These hypocrites have censored Prayer from our schools, nativity scenes on public lands, Christian holidays from our schools, mention of God in graduation speeches, they have tried to censor conservatives from talk radio, conservative tv shows,. etc. These hypocrites are a total joke with absolutely no credibility.
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    Nobody is "censoring" anything...You got to say what you wanted to say here, didn't you?---Please give us a break about that nonsense.
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    Ted Haggard and I are pretty sure you can't "pray the gay away," but I'm equally certain this won't stop a specific element of fundigelicals from trying to forcibly impose their religious values on others who have exactly the same rights of "free speech and religious liberty" under the First Amendment.
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    As someone else also touched on, there have been numerous reports of young men being molested at these demonic "Gay cure" centers. Wolf guarding the hen house!
    Parents who send their kids to these horrid places also send a message: that is that they don't really love their children if they can't accept them for who they are. Bad, bad parents.
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    We heterosexuals have as much right if not more to promote our llifestyle! We were here first, and are the ones able to procreate to keep our species from becoming extinct. If we were all queers we would die off in one generation. Dang, could the Creator of the universe actually be right? He designed man/woman coupling and forbad homosexualiity. Perhaps there is a practical reason for His logic?
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    Hrm.. that is interesting. Stepping on parents rights to raise their children how they see fit, and doing so through the backdoor of decree by judges. Why how on earth is it people could possibly not want to give these people every lil thing they could ask for? Oh yeah thats right, its obviously the bibles fault.
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    Raise your kids however you wish....But there is NO Such thing as a "cure for gay"...So while you are raising your kid---try not to screw them up for life with your "gay cure witch hunt"...OK?
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    @Sonny

    I'm not on a "gay witch hunt", but this is going a bit far. There has to be a limit on interfering with parental rights.
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    "Stepping on parents rights to raise their children how they see fit..."

    Is that parental right absolute? It doesn't look that way.

    We have laws about child abuse that often land parents in prison, surely that's "stepping on" some parental right. Even religious practices can be interrupted by the state. Courts frequently over-ride parental rights of Jehovah's Witnesses when a transfusion would save the child's life, and snake handling is illegal for everybody, not just kids. Faith healing parents have been imprisoned for allowing children to die rather than treat an infection.

    So I guess the question might be is so-called " reparative therapy" recognized by medical professionals as bona fide therapy for a known disease. That's unlikely to happen since homosexuality is not a disease according to the American Psychological Association and is not listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual that defines mental illnesses.

    But this controversy now involves lawyers and special interest groups. No telling how it may turn out.
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    @texas_cutie75 Yes, but kids also have rights. I mean we all have heard of the "ultra religious parents who refuse medical attention for their kids, then the kid dies"...Well, my dear, guess what??!? Those parents are then --arrested, finger-printed, charged with some degree of murder or neglect, and tried in a court of law...You can be a good parent, but you still do not have a right to do harm to your children...
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    @Sonny

    The word "quackery" came up often in my reading on "gay cures". That is not a word. My humble, very humble, opinion is this; as long as taxpayer money isn't being used parents should be allowed to raise their children as they see fit. I also saw an article which is allowing allowing folks in California to enroll their children without immunizations, that is terrible!! Let the epidemics begin!
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    Since kids have no rights other than to do what their parents tell them, this is a non issue. If their parents do not want them to be gay, then their right to treat their child following the opinion of medically qualified personnel, not what is considered the social norm or socially acceptable.
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    LOL---this is so silly and ridiculous...It doesn't matter one bit where a kids parents "does not want them to be gay"...To believe that it does is just plain ignorant...This is the stuff from the days of the caveman...And we need to keep fighting this kind of ignorance until it is completely defeated...
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    @Sonny Actually, it's not silly at all. Parents all over the country refuse to give their children permission to engage in sexual activity of any kind, gay or straight (not that they obey, but nonetheless). Parents decide whether or not to allow medical treatment, including withholding treatments such as blood transfusions. Parents decide where children go to school, what kind of clothes they wear, whether or not they are allowed to engage in extracurricular activities, etc. Parents can send their kids to bed without dinner, spank them for misbehaving, force them to go to church or refuse to allow them to go, etc. None of these are considered violations of the child's civil rights.
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    @SophieB "None of these are considered violations of the child's civil rights. "

    Key statement Sonny. Children under a certain age are their parents responsibility. Part of that responsibility is health and welfare. Perhaps the problem is some parents treat or view their kids as peers or friends and not as their kids. Children have no rights other than what their parents tell them.
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    @SophieB Boy, oh boy...if you (and others here on the right) think that is what I said, then its no wonder you guys are so out of touch with the rest of the country. Nobody said a thing about "giving your child permission to have sex"...Good grief!...and unbelievable that, that's what you got out of what I said here...and what this issue is all about...Look I will try to make this a little more clear for you....

    The issue here is that there is no "cure for being gay"....Parents can always teach kids the value not to engage in pre-marital sex..That is NOT the issue. The issue is that there is NO Such Thing as a "cure of gay"...Please don't try to cloud this issue any further by inserting non-issues into this conversation.
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    You cannot change someone's DNA, and there is a gay gene. So these so called 'cures' are about as credible as a palm reader.
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    @kirbstomp1 Same story I pointed to. Neither this story nor the Fox story about mice sex and the FucM gene state definitive proof. They say what they have found "suggests", this means they aren't sure and can't prove it so its still a hypothesis. The Journal of Sexual Medicine is peer reviewed so its more credible a source.
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    @FFX_VA - genetics control everything. I really don't need to say more after that. It's a genetic disorder. Simple as that.
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    I firmly support a federal ban of the "gay cure." I am happy to have supportive parents, but I know there are many teens out there who are not supportive of the "gay agenda." My sexuality is never going to change. I wonder if I could have made the decision to take my own life if my parents were not supportive of me. I will not let anybody convince me into believing that I can "cure" my sexuality because I know that I have always been this way!
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