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    No, he is a nut! I base my opinion from reading the bible and that is the way it is. The government cannot change my mind as it is not my God. If you don't like it, too bad.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix

    Apparently Politix didn't like what your friend Zoe2012 had to say... Says her account has been suspended...Mmm... Wonder why...
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    Your god also gave slavery a big thumbs up. so i really wouldn't use the bible as a moral guide. it is really one of the worst moral guides ever published....
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    Rev Warren's work with AIDS in Africa and his current evaluation of the role churches play in anti-gay attitudes are pretty much right on. But on almost all other issues he's like that Shakespearean couplet: "Shall I compare thee to a Summer's Eve, for thou art a douche."
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    Exactly right, except I'd take it even further, with the comment " If God is so Anti-Gay then perhaps he should stop creating so many of them!" That ought to shut 'em up for awhile.
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    I have a christian friend who has a gay son. I've known him since he was three...I have four sons and remember
    when this boy and my youngest son would play together. My older sons would always say they thought he was gay. I shrugged it off thinking that they couldn't tell at that age...they were right. He is gay and tormented, as he
    feels he can not live his life as he feels he should. He 's had seven DUI's , or OVI's , depending on where you live.
    He's attempted suicide twice, and he is just lost...I feel bad for him, as I still remember that three year old. My son
    who played with him at three til six, and will be getting married in May, said, "I think they are born that way". I
    don't know..I rarely , if ever post on this issue , as I am not sure. But I do know that all people deserve love, and
    when it is time for them to be judged, I will not be there, as I am no ones judge and have my own sins to deal with.
    So...I will simply say," We will most probably never understand those we are closest to, but we can love them, we
    can love completely , without complete understanding".( A quote from the movie, "A River Runs Through It".)
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    If he's tormented, I wonder if it's because his family makes him feel unaccepted, unloved. Make him feel as though there is something wrong with him.
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    If you want to blame God for his feelings about Homosexuality, you can tell him if you see him someday. Until then, get off Christians who follow their faith. If you don't like what the Bible says, go find some religion where anything goes. Quit bashing our Christian Church for our beliefs. Quit trying to twist the Bible to your politically correct way of thinking. It amazes me the insecurities of Liberals. They can't even stand it when other's faiths do not agree with them. They are so arrogant to even try to control God, and force him to think as they do. In the mean time, I did pass Biology class, and guess what? Our bodies were not meant to be with the same sex. What you do is your business. What my faith stands for is my business and get out of it!
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    But the problem is Christians don't just follow their faith, the work to impose it on others. Christian beliefs are absurd, but they should be free to follow them, as long as they don't try to force others to.
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    And yet, it is God who created Gay people!
    Hmmm, he doesn't like us, but he continues to create us!
    How's that work?
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    @Jet_Silverman You are so brainwashed. Christians fight to keep gays and Liberals from transforming our faith. Did you know Gays sued the church to force them to allow Gay Sunday school teachers? That is like the Black caucus being forced to hire Ku Klux Klan members. Can you grasp why the church fights against the activist Gays and the Liberal agendas? Stay out of our church and start your own if you don't like what the Bible says.
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    @hwyangel Help me understand this. Denying a civil right to gay folks is" not against gay people?" It doesn't seem to deprive any other group of anything.
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    @DARSB

    The current definition of marriage is not a "civil right", it is a federally governed institution defined as one man and one woman. And for the protection of children also excludes kin and multiple parents.
    To recognize same gender couples it would remove procreation as a defining concept of marriage.
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    @hwyangel I will argue that procreation is not a requirement for marriage. If it was, there would be a rather large number of single post-menopausal women in America (besides Ann Coulter and Lindsay Graham :-) )
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    The Bible says being gay is wrong,,,if Christians go with that, they are mean, if they don't they are hypocrits. Can't win.
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    @Jet_Silverman Actually it's Saturday. God rested on the 7th day not the first. Christians changed it to Sunday being the day of the resurrection.
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    The Churches have a right to believe what they want, and if it stopped there it would just be another opinion. But many religious people want more, many are violent against different lifestyles, they want to wreck a gay persons life, stop them from doing their jobs (gay teachers...still an issue), not allow them the same rights as other people when it comes to marriage and commitment. The Church does not OWN the right to marry. That a government law, but only good for some and not others. Probably Responsible? I'd say its a sure thing.
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    I see this as becoming a trend among pastors. Notice this week that Pat Robertson also commented on how the Earth is not 6000 years old.(Kinda funny that when Pat Robertson says something sane, it makes the news) The older fundamentalists are dying off and younger people are not buying what the church is selling anymore. Studies by the Barna Group (research arm of the Southern Baptist Association) say that 6 in 10 teens will leave the church and not return. Many cite politics, anti science, the church being unwelcoming to diversity and judgmental leaders as the reason that they do not attend church.
    http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2012/wint...
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    You are right, the Bible says there will be a great falling away in the last days and except the days be shorten even the very elect would be deceived
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    it is not the church to blame for people just admitting that being gay is sick and twisted, it completely goes against human nature. We are wired to live, hunt, breed and die. No where are we wired to stuff sauseege.
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    how is a certain percentage of the human species being gay, since thhe beinning of mankind (or at least since recorded history so one can assume the rest...)against uman nature? Seems like it absolutely as to be PART of uman nature, by definition.

    logic is fun!
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    I'm guessing that you have never lived on a ranch or a farm. Humans are not the only animals that have same sex copulation. But then religious fundamentalists generally don't believe that humans are animals akin to other life forms on earth. They like the flattering view that humanity is the most important and unique thing in the universe. Wonder what you will all say when NASA finally releases the discovery of life on Mars?
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    The war against Christianity continues on. Some may deny this, but why is the church blamed for people not liking homosexuality. Next it will be our fault kids don't like spinach.
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    Oh, no. It's not against Christianity. My church marries same-sex couples as do many others. People are just a little tired of fundamentalist Bible-literalists trying to run a free nation like the U.S. as if it was a theocracy like Iran.
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    @Zazziness - The U.S. doesn't have much in common with Iran. Your analogy is ill fated. People in this country are very free to be gay. I just hate how broadcasters from CNN try to frame it as the reason people don't like homosexuality is because of biased churches. Uhh, no!
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix Yeah, actually most people who feel they have the green light to be biased against homosexuals feel they got their permission at church.
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    @Zazziness - So how come in non-Christian nations people still dislike homosexuality? Here, you can be gay and open about it and it may be the reason many millions of people love you (Rupaul?). In some countries though, you'd get the death penalty. Not so here in the U.S. I reject your comparing our once great nation to such a barbaric nation. And it is not the fault of faithful Christians that some people may not like homosexuals.
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    This is where the liberals and I part company. This nation does not reduce the legal rights of the mentally ill and I think homosexuals should have the same rights as any other mentally ill person. But I do think they genetically have some wires crossed. ..
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    Jesse, people trained in psychiatry removed homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses quite some time ago. So professionals do not agree with your laymen's opinion on the matter.
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    @Zazziness Well psychiatrists are well known as the highest rate of suicide and disturbed people in society themselves. You can say what you want. I myself suffer from attention disorder. Having genetic disorders are commonly denied by those who suffer from them. I don't discriminate against downs syndrome people and I don't discriminate against gays. We all have our crosses to bear and while homosexuality may not be classified a mental illness I do believe it to be a mental disorder.
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    @jessejaymes gay people have a high rate of suicide because of the homophobia Christians spread. Homosexuality is just a difference, not a disorder.
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    @jessejaymes It wasn't denied as an illness just by the people who are homosexual. It was denied by the professionals who catalog and diagnose mental illnesses. It's not sick to be a homosexual any more than it is sick to be left-handed. It's just different.
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    Having grown up in a "Christian" home and attending a church all the while knowing I was gay, was probably the most damaging part of my childhood. Because of negative stances on what I knew deep down was who I was (being gay), I now struggle with self esteem issues and have a hard time loving myself. I have a degree in religion even, I know how the church responds to those like me. Beyond the church, I know what individual "christians" think of me, and how they act towards me. Let's just say it is not easy going to a christian school, living in an all guys dorm, while being gay. Yet, it is there that you would think (due to the bible and Jesus himself), you would find the most love. I watched as other "sinners" got help and exceptance, drug addicts, alcoholics, some rapist, and conficted felons received help for their "sins," yet the school condoned homosexuality even more than it was aware. Any problems I have accepting myself and loving myself for being a gay American man, I blame entirely on the church and it's teachings.
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    This is one reason I have nothing to do with religion anymore. These "so-called" Christians diss gays one day and the next are chowing down shrimp, marring 3 and 4 times, divorcing, gossiping about people, etc. I want nothing to do with people like that.
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    'Probably'? Don't you 100% responsible for anti-gay attitudes? If organized religion ceased to exist nobody would have any anti-gay attitudes.
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    Churches are also responsible for the charter school movement, they want to be able to teach biblical 'science' and they can't do that in public schools.
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