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  • #22
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    My feeling is neither party is interested in solving any problems. If they were, they would be talking about repealing laws. Replacing the tax code with a Flat tax and massive cuts in government agencies thus increasing revenue and cutting spending.
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    This is just more proof both sides want the fiscal cliff to happen. If it does, then no one is responsible, and no one is locked into a vote which could haunt them later. Even if both sides meet in the middle of their proposals, it is a joke. Neither proposal is anywhere near what it is going to take to save this country. Both proposals are like sticking a Mickey Mouse band-aid on a sliced jugular vein.
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    We're running trillion dollar deficits annually, they're talking about saving two trillion over ten years, leaving at least 800 billion deficits annually for the next ten years, why don't we just file the bankruptcy papers now, why wait?
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    Isn't the logic of going into debt $8 Trillion over ten years but claiming victory because they saved us $2 Trillion over the same ten year period profoundly stupid.
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    Exactly. It seems Washington wants to tout their ten year numbers just to try to offset what happens in ONE YEAR in the real world. America is Greece. Looks like nothing can be done to stop it.
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    Obama Has Already trashed our country with his so called Stimulus money.
    Enough with the Obama Money already.
    We have learned thru out history that "Liberal Stimulus" never works.
    When you give someone a Handout, It makes them feel entitleld to more handouts.
    Cut it all right now ........The USA doesnt need to be GREECE in two yrs.
    Obama laying more debt onto our children and grand children.
    Stop the spending now!!!! Republicans stand your ground against the Socialists!!!
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    Well, looks like Obama's been caught in another lie. All during the campaign he said he was going to work differently with the GOP and was going to negotiate and compromise to solve our problems, so much for that pipe dream. I never figured his ego would let him compromise or even try to work with the other side. I think he want's to go over the cliff and have all the tax cuts expire, after all, the majority of the money is in the middle class and they pay only about 25% of the taxes while about 30 to 35% of the money is in the top 2% who pay almost 60% of the taxes, he'll get enough to run the WH for about a week from the so called rich, he'll get more from the middle class. He's looking just like a typical progressive, tax and spend, all gimme, gimme, gimme and nothing in return but the smoke and mirrors of the "savings" for ending the war, well I just save us a million, I didn't buy another house, that's about what that savings is all about. Then there is the now undisputed medicare money taken to pay for Obamacare, remember they denied this over and over during the campaign, nah, no billions were taken out of Meidcare, that was just a lie from the republicans, except now that's a supposed cut in entitlements, of course how that can be a cut is just more Obamaspeak. Take money from one entitlement to fund another entitlement is not a cut in entitlements, it's just a shifting of money, money that was lied about during the campaign.
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    WOW, thats a shock, all we've heard from Obama lately is that he wants the GOP to compromise, but when they do, he refuses their compromise. Over the cliff we go!
    I'm prepared, I dont care anymore. All of you window licking Obama lovers can suck it, and stop your whining when your taxes go up, or you lose your entitlements.
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    @Jim49418 Mr. Romney wanted to. I'm in the middle class and he was pretty sure I could afford to pay more. He was wrong, btw.
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    @Zazziness I dont remember Romney saying that, but hey, if you say so.....

    The Fact is, we are going to have to pay for this administration's spending binge sooner or later,....right?

    Might as well go over the so called cliff now. It doesnt look like this administration is willing to compromise at all.
    Evidently, Obama thinks you can pay more, but thats o-k!
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    @Jim49418 We'll have to pay for the binge spending in Iraq first. I didn't hear so much concern from the conservatives when the money was going to blow people up. Odd, that.
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    Wow. It's hard to believe Boehner gave in so heavily and was still rejected. What will it take to get obama to agree not to take us over the fiscal cliff?
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    Obama wants to be sure his peeps get theirs (and there are a lot of them)... He loses face if he agrees to any program reforms. Both sides have backed themselves into corners and worse yet Obama thinks he got a mandate to do it.... What a bunch of BS... I remain of the opinion taxes can go up as long as the increase is matched by real tangible cuts in social programs. I would go after everything except SS for those over 55 already, Medicare again for those over 55 and veterans benefits. I still struggle with the concept I have to pay more percentage wise because I earn more ( can you say tax reform ie flat tax ) just for the record I earn less than the 250k.. Way less.... Ok... I am rambling. How about everyone just take a bite out of the giant $hit sandwich we all have in front of us and work together to make it go away. Congress = Jacka$$.... Pay off the debt and then figure out how to do all the good works you want... But pay cash... Just like my grandparents did!
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    Neither side is offering a solution, just more kick the can down the road politicking. You want to know who's winning? We're all losing!
  • #17
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    Obviously you missed the election results. It's going to be a very long time until the American people let the GOP run things.
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    @ST_Louie_Sue The ONLY reason that the GOP has control of the house is because GOP state legislators gerrymandered congressional districts. The dems got about 1,000,000 more congressional votes than the GOP. The GOP is on the way out. They are just not quite through the door yet. :)
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    Taxes will be going up for the top 2%. The GOP proposal is a joke. More tax cuts for the wealthy. More benefit cuts for the poor and middle class. The GOP has a choice, either do the right thing and give 98% of Americans a tax break or drive the economy off of a cliff and face massive defeats in 2014. Either way America wins in the long run.
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    I vote to press the accelerator...punch it baby! drives us off the cliff! He who has the money is in control of everything!! Lets go off the cliff. My wife and I have taken the necessary steps to protect our family and are prepared for the inevitable.
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    @Republican5001 I've done the same thing guy. Punch it baby! Let's go over that cliff. It's about time the looters and moochers find out where they stand in the scheme of things. If the looters and moochers ever hope to live a decent life again, it will be on OUR moral terms.
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    @InjusticeSucks I think that the GOP will drive the economy over the cliff rather than piss off the baggers. BTW did you steal Tralee's avatar?
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    @HughAkston @Republican5001 - Thanks for helping to put the final nail in the GOP's coffin. Good riddance.
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    Obama's plan is nothing but a regurgitation of an earlier plan where both house and senate dems voted no on. This is nothing but bait and switch - Hey, Mr. Obysmal, you won by 3 million votes, that doesn't give you a mandate.....Do something original, show some leadership for a change.
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    Actually I saw a figure that in all of the swing states that he needed to win the electoral vote, he only won by a cumulative of slightly over 300,000 votes. That's not the mandate that he thinks he has, even with that aside, he won with less than 3% of the popular vote. Nope, not a mandate at all, just a bunch more low information and very young voters got out to vote for the "Cool" guy who goes on late night TV and makes 1000's of speeches to the young and uninformed promising them the moon. They are stupid enough to believe him, wait kiddies, the bill will come due sooner than you think.
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    obama's idea of compromise is do what i tell you or else. seems most in office are afraid of him. could be that hit list he has.
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    Did the GOP not learn anything from the election? Failing to specify the details didn't work for Gov Romney and it's not looking any better now.
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    "$1.6 trillion in tax revenue (eliminating Bush tax cuts for incomes over $250,000)". First off, that's false. Taxing those who make over $250,000 would only amount to $87 Billion, enough to run the government for a mere 83 days. In other words,$2 Trillion isn't saved in Obama's plan. They're both no different but at least the GOP plan would save more money than 0bama's. More of the typical "my way or the highway" from this POTUS. Sadly, we have 4 more years of this ignorance....
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    I don't like either plan, however the Republican plan is worse than Obama's. There is no reason to cut Social Security, when Social Security does not add to the national debt.
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    SSI does add to the debt, but only because the supposed SSI "lockbox" is empty thanks to the good for nothing greedy azz politicians who are supposed to represent us that couldn't keep their paws off someone else's money.
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    You hard core right wingers can get all worked up and spew hate and discontent but Obama has the hammer on this one. GOP will lose is my prediction as a political pundit.
  • #109
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    They should have took what was offered the first time. After what they put him through he is going to want a better deal since he is in a stronger position, and if they don't give in all Obama nerds do is wait. In january the taxes go up 4"39 percent on the largest incomes, 2 percent more then the white house is wiling to seetle for now, and military spending gets cut 50 percent. When that happens the repubs will want a deal to lower the top rate and restore the military, but with the law already in effect Obama will have to negotiate for votes with the left wing of the dem party, who will be loath to change a law already in effect when the mpney can be used for sosial programs. They will denand even more concessions from reps than repubs would need offer now...and they will have no choice except to live with the50 percent military cuts, and 39 percent tax rate. They won't be willing to do that, so in my opinion progressive policy will best be served after we go over the cliff. But we need the repubs to be stupid enough to let that happen. I think we can count on that!
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    Damn the President for refusing to give into the wishes of the 2% and supporting the other 98%! What kind of Plutocrat is he anyway!? Oh wait, he isn't.
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