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    @jamesmitchell Better check your facts. A whole lot of welfare and food stamps go to rural areas. But please, don't let facts intrude on your fantasy.
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    I'm sure the thousands of homeless children in cities across the USA will be happy to learn they are not on the "front lines of mankind's ongoing economic struggle."

    Here's an alternative theory. We know from other studies that as the level of education rises adherence to fundamentalist religions drops off. Is there a similar effect at play here? Do city dwellers tend to have more college than rural citizens?
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    Do city dwellers tend to have more college than rural citizens?

    In my experience yes. Urban areas give more opportunities to put higher education to work. In a rural setting, most any work training is on the job training.

    That being said, rural people aren’t as stupid as urban people think. However many urban people do lack the basic common sense that it takes to survive in a rural setting.(My wife’s uncle is a rancher and it took several years before his family accepted me.)
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    @Thunderchicken In the same regard, many rural people also lack the basic common sense it takes to survive in an urban setting.
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    @Thunderchicken
    When we are speaking of rural farmers we are speaking of fairly intelligent people in general. Farming is not just planting a seed and harvesting a vegetable.
    Rural towns, however, usually have an intellect deficit. At least in my experience.
    My opinion, and it is nothing more then that, is that rural areas don't get much competing ideologies and thus no real debate. I think most people (and if you look at it from a worldwide scale there is evidence I'm right) lean left. Not as left as someone like me, but left. I think as people move to cities and see that their liberal neighbors and workmates are not the scary people the right portrays us as they start to listen to our ideas and see the merit in them.
    Also people 40+ spent their childhood fearing Russia. Obviously us on the actual left (as opposed to Fox's definition of left) have socialist leanings in at least some respects. I was 10 when the USSR fell. I think socialist leaning I think Canada or Europe. Older people hear socialism they think communism which then turns to USSR which triggers the enemy reaction.
    And lets be honest most people are sheep. They will generally go along with the crowd if only superficially. This is true of both urban and rural people.
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    It's tough to sit on your ass collecting Government handouts in rural areas. One might have to actually leave the sofa and big screen for an entire day to sign up for more food stamps and the free obamaphone doesn't get good reception outside the major metro areas.
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    On the other hand you could just wander around behind the farm animals while you get paid not to plant.
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    @jessejaymes almost clever... but you OWN the animals and need to WORK to care for them..... I do apologize for using the "W" word, in the rural environment it's considered a good thing, not something to fear.
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    @jessejaymes of course you do need to be careful walking across the pasture to not step into a steamy pile of obama.
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    @Sharpshooter You have one thing right. I don't like the W word. After 57 years of working I am retired and I don't have any use for that word any longer. If that's OK with you of course.
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    It can't be that tough because a whole lot of people in my rural area are on food stamps. Yet another example of Republicans making up a world that doesn't exist, then making poor decisions based on a fantasy.
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    A hugh majority of thosebfarm subsities go to farmers who agree to growing Monsantos genetically modified corn ornusing a particular fertiilzer or something like that. You don't actually believe the farmers get money do you?
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    Those subsidies were designed to enhance goverment gontrol over the market and your insinuation is right on. They should be eliminated and the FREE market should reward the efforts of the farmer.
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    @marine1
    Exactly, give the people a fair and fighting chance. Dispite what you may hear, not all people want a hand-out, they want a level playing field.
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    @kathyparsell There is a big difference between a hand out and a hand up, too bad goverment can't/won't recognize that difference.
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    What's confusing are the people who leave the broken schools, high crime rates, high taxes and poverty of the cities for better pastures in the suburbs and yet continue to vote for the same liberal philosophies that created those problems. A lot like a Bostonian moving to New Hampshire because of lower taxes and then complaining about having to take his own garbage to the dump. I really don't think there can be an explanation.
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    I disagree with this analogy of the 'sinners of big cities become democrats' therory.

    The fact is this: Most of those who move to urban areas do so for higher paying jobs. That means they are most likely more educated. It has nothing to do with being tempted by 'big city ways'. What a ridiculous excuse for the fact that more educated people tend to be Democrats.

    The Republicans will never get it until their party is lying in the dust. Then it will be too late for them to make up more excuses.
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    Whoah man. That is NOT true at all. The reverse is true. City ppl are more independent. More hardworking and more educated man.
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    @MBernard and @Thunderchicken - Gimme a break both of you. Without both populations this country would wither and die. Both are dependent on each other. No one is "independent" with the exception of what they may think.
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    @MBernard

    While I'll give you more educated. As for independent, maybe I should have said resourceful. When the nearest store is an hour’s drive away, one learns how to deal with things by using what is available. As for hard working, I wouldn’t want to work on a farm or ranch. My wife's family are ranchers and it’s way harder work and longer hours than anything I’ve seen living near and working in St. Louis.
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    I don't think it's about dependent vs independent. I just think urbanites are more accustomed to, and accepting of, multiple cultures. City life is more inclusive in many ways.
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    @Denizen_Kate

    HI Kate;

    Yeah I corrected that later to say resourceful. Out on the ranch, they (we) often make do with whatever is around because running to any store is a ½ day trip.

    I live in a used to be rural setting that is becoming a suburb of St. Louis. I get a kick out of some of the people that are my neighbors who just love “living in the country”. When the nearest McDonalds is a couple of miles away, that ain’t country living. And hey we’ve even got two stop lights now.

    One thing that flabbergasts me is how little some of my neighbors know about how things work. Watering your lawn when you’re on a well isn’t a good idea. I could go on and on too. Good thing I like most of my neighbors. I've saved most of them some real headaches.
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    Cities attract people that are more left leaning. Single women, younger voters, ect. Also exposure to people of other ethnic groups, seeing the homeless in the streets has an impact in softening prejudices.
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    I don't really see this whole article as being relevant for the simple reason that the rural areas of states like Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma simply do not add up to the dominance of voters in their large cities. And yet they consistently and overwhelmingly go Red. The numbers don't add up to a simple answer of cities = blue, country = red.
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    If you will consider it, my opinion is that the local governments allow the metropolitan areas to continue to grow within their own borders rather than spread the business around. My example would be Nashville, TN that has grown and affected surrounding counties with business/urban sprawl. Due to the collection of business in one place, outlying townspeople must be forced to travel or move for jobs. Results are traffic problems, resource consumption, and time inefficiency along with zoning problems and growth issues. All the while, the urban population dwindles. The small mom and pop family farms are going away. And one person plain fessed up that they don't see why I would work in the regular workday world and then spend the weekend working my backside off around the farm. Rural dwellers tend to be more conservative but some of us happen to be considered "the old gray haired hippies" of by-done days. LOL
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    @Rocker
    I see the problem as the spread of urban sprwal, as well as govt failure to address the unique roblem of agricultural economics: in a good year for crops oversupply pushes profits down, scarcity is what makes farming more proftable. They gorget the old testament biblical leson. Govt should buy and store surplus do prices do not plummet with a good harvest, and could release it to markets when drought pushes prices too high. They could also use pantries to distribute some for food stamp receipiabts.
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    There is no harsher reality than to be living in some ghetto in any big city out there. Hendrickson is wrong and for that matter so are you.
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    Big cities are like the ant hill of life where the queen grows fat and here workers plunder the life out of everything around them and living off of the carnage of everyone who comes near.
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    Many good comments. I think that rural areas have a different hierarchy. Conservative, white, old (fair weather) Christian men are generally in the place of the "wise old leaders." There is little exposure to for the younger folks who stay and become the older folks. When the sidewalks role up at sunset and your best listener is you dog, where cable television is limited, your exposure to the rest of society is more limited.
    Then there are those wide eyed small town boys who board the Greyhound headed west and never look back.
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    This was a facinating article and I suggest reading it in it's entirety. I think possibly the cause is that people in large cities are prepared to pay higher taxes in order to receive the services that in most cases aren't available to many rural areas. Public transportation;including subways, garbage pick-up and recycling, police,fire & rescue being available to respond within minutes, public water. I also think the poor are more visual to city dwellers, they see them day after day. The poor who live in rural areas, where the problems are just as bad and in some cases worse, aren't seen. Also people in rural areas are far more independent in regard to having to solve their own problems and therefor expect that of others. People in cities pay those taxes to make their lives better so maybe they are more willing to expect their tax dollars be spent on helping the poor. The problem with that is that the problems of the poor can't necessarily be solved by just throwing money at them. Therein lies one fundamental problem between Republicans and Democrats...how tax dollars are spent.
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    My experience makes me look at this question from a different perspective. People gravitate to rural and remote areas because they want to "get away from people", prefer a self-sufficient lifestyle, distrust government and society as a whole, tend to be politically conservative, and do not like to be told what to do. I have met men in remote areas who like to describe themselves as "outlaws" and consider poaching game animals as "just trying to make a living and feed my family". I even know a man who started his own religion and declared his land "church property" in order to avoid paying taxes. He holds meetings with some of his widely scattered neighbors in order to give some legitimacy to his claim. He hates government, the UN and city dwellers in general. He would make a perfect right wing Republican, except that he considers voting a waste of time.
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    HA! A hillbilly who created his own religion, that's awesome. But something that does concern me is the people you describe are typically older baby boomers and the GOP is at a disadvantage with these people dying off in the next 20 years. There are two groups of people the GOP will never get (of any race), welfare trash (53% of the country) and unrich minority city dwellers. I know people personally whom drive Lexus' and BMWs and vote Democrat and have several million in the bank? I asked one why and his answer was "party of old men and f-ing Christians". I think he's onto something. That guy is part of the reason I developed my "kick out the xitians and neocons" theory. However, after watching the fiscal cliff stuff this week, I am starting to doubt what I suggest will a) be enough or b) happen in the first place. I am starting to really think if the GOP does poorly in 2014 and loses more congressional seats I can see the party collapsing. Not because I disagree with their message (minus a couple of things) but will they get welfare trash to vote for them? Never. The 47-48% who do not pay taxes? Nope. Gays? Never. Minorities? Only the rich ones. I can honestly see an anti-white backlash in the 2020s if the GOP does crash because it has always been see as the party of the white man. With the white man scheduled to be a minority in the 2040s, I really wonder the future has in store for the country. A new problem will voter turnout in the soon to be one-party state America will become in the next 20 years or so. If the Republican party is still around, they'll likely not be in any majority position, except for the states. People need to really understand that living in a one-party state sucks and that is where the US is headed.
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    @RobertJHarsh
    The 47% includes many in the military and many elderly and quite a few poor Christians who vote solely based on issues like abortion and gay marriage. Those groups (all part of the 47%) all usually lean Republican. The attitude that the economic bottom half of America are lazy mooches who are to stupid to base their votes on all the information available and vote D because they want something is inaccurate and I think does as much damage to your party then any other 1 issue.
    I think the Republican Party is going to borderline collapse for a few years, but they will either re-create themselves or the Libertarians will step up to replace them.
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    @Cheenoguy I agree. If the GOP can kick these Xitians to the curb, the gays and minorities who have money and demand fiscal responsibility from Washington and hate the gimmedat cadres that back the Democrats will move the Republican side. Why would a rich gay couple who wants lower taxes BUT the opposition party says gay people are going to hell? Then they vote socialist because they are promising gay rights.
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    @RobertJHarsh
    Not everyone votes for what's best for them. Wealthy liberals often vote the way they do because they believe in liberal values.
    I was thinking yesterday about how those who get wealthy from entertain usually vote liberal (at least among those who are vocal about politics) while wealthy businessmen usually go the opposite way. My opinion on why that is so is that their industry recognizes that it is the populace that made them rich. Whether it is self-serving with the idea that a stronger middle class means more tickets sold or just out of appreciation for what they had. There also seems to be more in their industry then in business that came from poor families and had poor periods in the beginning of their careers. Just mho.
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    @RobertJHarsh This is the second time I've seen you quote an out-and-out error and it's really a HUGE mistake: 53% of our nation is not "welfare trash."

    So as long as you cling to the mistaken notion that they are, all your conclusions will be in error. You don't come to good answers when you start with false data.
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    Bless Rose Wilder and her family but I live in a rural area. The three major professions are state worker, meth dealer and welfare recipient. We as a far a cry from Little House On The Prairie as it gets.
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    Some words from Thomas Jefferson - He told James Madison: "I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get plied upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."
    "The mobs of great cities add just so much to support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body."
    As population increases, so does corruption, and liberty and freedom inevitably become things of the past. As did Roman Empire go, so shall all nations.
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    Us liberals vote for policies that mostly gives free stiff poor conservatives who then try to pretend they don't take anything.
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    That's not hard to figure out. It takes hard work & committment & a certain work ethic to make a 'decent' living rurally. Cities have tenements, dope, free housing, free bus rides & millions more of those same 'cradle to grave entitlement beggars'. Do you think it's an accident that major cities, once prosperous have become ghetto wastelands ? This is what the Democrat Socialist Party sees & uses as a voter base. This is what's seen as the 'Government Plantations'.
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    If you only think of farmers you are right about work ethic and what not. Rural towns are a different animal.

    Remember red states get more aid then blue so your fantasy about blue state welfare addicts is backwards.
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    " ... city life saps self-sufficiency and engenders a taste for government dependency.... " My BS meter is pinging loudly. The reason you find more Democrats in urban areas is that urbanites have become much more comfortable with, and accepting of, people of multiple cultures.
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