• #1
    Ask any family physician. This should be a science issue not a political one. Vaccines have save hundreds of millions of lives. Yes occasionally someone has a bad reaction but the odds of having a seriously bad reaction to a vaccine are infinitesimal compared to odds of getting the disease that the vaccine protects against. Ask your doctor!
  • #9
    In our area we had an epidemic of whooping cough last winter, which didn't have to happen if booster shots were given. It's now part of the tetanus vaccination, so it should be a no brainer to get it.
  • #12
    @methinks My family doctor insisted on the tetanus/whooping cough vaccination too. I've gotten so old that the vaccines I got as a kid have worn off!
  • #19
    Remember polio epidemic every summer. I recall 3 childhood friends who died and my brother in law ( 73 yr old) has a leg brace
  • #39
    my brother and sister and i all had polio. my brother spent a year in the john hopkins children's hospital in baltimore with it. the ironic thing was that after we all recovered we were forced to go through the immunisation process at school the following year.

    not only that, if i want to remember what it was like, all i've got to do is to walk through the city here and look at all the beggars with stunted legs begging on the corners and from doorways.
  • #40
    @martydotcom also, i can remember the horrible scars on my grandmother's face... a terrible reminder that small pox wasn't long gone.
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  • #2
    I serious questions about Autism, ADHD, and ADD. I think these ailments are diagnosed way too often and is just a way to keep children doped up to feed the pharmaceuticals industry. I could be wrong, I'm not saying that I know everything kirbstomp1, I'm just saying I'm quite skeptical. More tests need to be conducted before we can say there really is an increase of children being born with these ailments or not.
  • #3
    " I think these ailments are diagnosed way too often and is just a way to keep children doped up to feed the pharmaceuticals industry."
    Wow, a tint of anti-capitalist in that comment! LOL
  • #5
    @Keyjo - Not at all. I just don't like when a teacher sees a kid misbehave a little bit and then he's sent off to some specialist to label him with some type of disorder.
  • #11
    I tend to agree. It use to be that kids with to much energy were prescribed an extracurricular activity to help them burn off some of their extra energy. Now we load em up with all kinds of crap.
  • #13
    Yeah, I concur with that. I think that it's partly due to substance abuse by the parents. And that's both parents.
  • #15
    So you see why I don't think there really is a rise in Autism, ADHD, and ADD cases? I think we have become a society that just wants instant solutions to everything. We find a pill to fix every ailment, even things that aren't ailments. I agree wit you Capt_Morgan, in the past we'd just find activities for children to do. Now we dope then up and just ruin them for life.

    A neighbor of mine has a child that was diagnosed as Autistic. He refused to have his son doped up on medication. That was well over a decade ago. Today, you couldn't pick him out as any different than any other teenager. I think we just need to slow down on ascribing every child that acts up from time to time as having an ailment of some sort.
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  • #31
    Great. So, say your kid gets whooping cough, but before diagnosis, he goes to school and spreads it around. The kids who have been immunized will be fine, but they will take your kid's germs home with them. They can then share your kid's illness with younger siblings, even infants, who haven't yet been immunized. Your kid's lack of immunization could kill someone else's baby. Immunize them, or home school them. Please.
  • #38
    @Denizen_Kate So, say my kid doesn't get whooping cough because of an optimal immune system; then the rest of your question would have never happened. And BTW vaccines do suppress the immune system so there is not a dramatic response to the virus in the vaccine. This suppression allows the body to build up antibodies while not having the physical symptoms manifest.
  • #42
    @34YOUDECIDE - "So, say my kid doesn't get whooping cough because of an optimal immune system;" You could never guarantee that, I don't care what you feed them.
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  • #110
    well i voted no, even though i was one of those, guinney pigs for the salk program. but have since then, have had time to reflect on that. and am beguinning to wonder, if all of this pestilence, plague and famine is not the result of TheG-D thing. as i do not percieve this world as a G-Dly world today. and things are getting worse not better, i believe because of this. i know now, the enemies of G-D have powers to heal and offer preventative medicine. only to watch another plague, replace it. even the cancer rate, has increased dramiticly, in the 68 years i have been here. and cancer, and other plagues used to be such a rare condition. but what is the reason for their dramatic increase. and why is global warming, increasing at exactly the same rate as G-D'S anger at this world? are we now trying to build, a tower of babel here. and all these warning shots, are letting us know. we are all going, in the wrong direction? and scripture seems to indicate, the more you move away from G-D. the more pestilence, plague and famine your going to get.
  • #119
    @SmedleyButler sorry but fungus, is alkaline based. it cannot grow in an acid enviroment. in fact it produces, alkalinity to destroy bacteria competing for it's food. this is why pennicillin works, because it is an alkaline substance that kills bacteria. and so fungus thrives, in alkaline conditions. so i do not doubt, the healing claim. but i am doubting that, the sodium bicarbonate - fungus reasoning. if the cure happened, there is somthing else going on here. but if you claimed, cancer what caused by bacteria. then it would be, more reasonable.
  • #120
    @SmedleyButler well it would not be the first time, a phamasutical company or government agency used people unwittingly as gunney pigs.
  • #74
    There are no documented cases of vaccine-related or -induced autism. There isn't even a link between vaccines and autism, other than the one falsified by Andrew Wakefield. There is, however, a serious threat to public health from people choosing to opt out of vaccination for their children. For Congress to even entertain the thought is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.
  • #68
    From a purely biological perspective, vaccines are good for the human species as whole, but often at a cost for the individual. When the good outweighs the bad, then it's prudent to immunize in the least harmful way. That is an oversimplification of course, but there is little sense in writing a dissertation on the subject since most on here would not have the background to understand it. We are over-vaccinating in regards to the number of illnesses however, and that will set us up for some longterm catastrophes in the future. The strong will survives.
  • #70
    I'd be interested in your expounding further on this subject. For instance, which diseases do you think we over vaccinating?
  • #44
    The "opt-out" laws many states passed are a concern among infectious disease specialists. It takes a certain percentage of vaccination to achieve " herd immunity'" which benefits everyone, even the opt-out folks, by reducing the number of active cases in a population. In areas with high opt-out rates, like northern California, whooping cough has made a comeback. Fortunately, medical care is pretty effective and few children die of pertussis (the fancy name for whooping cough).

    In some ways the anti-vaxxers are encouraged by the success of vaccination programs. Low-information parents will argue that because they have never seen a child with brain damage from measles the measles must not be a big threat. I suppose in one sense they may be correct: when it comes to threats to a child's health infectious disease is easily outclassed by low-information parents.
  • #52
    There has never been "opt-out" laws in any State. The vaccine schedule has always been optional albiet heavily "reccommended" and seen as mandatory. California is the only State that has made vaccines mandatory, which was passed last year.
    And if I understand you correctly, you are tying the anti-vaxxers, as you call us, to the low information parents? The threats of aluminum salts, MSG, mercury (in the form of thimersol), and formalydahyde worry me much more than the measles.
  • #59
    @34YOUDECIDE Here's why I used the phrase "low- information parents" - thimersol had not been used in vaccines since 1999. There are no federal vaccination mandates, but all 50 states require public school children to be vaccinated subject to medical exemptions, and 48 states allow religious exemptions as well. And the best example of a " low-information parent" I can point to is the occasionally amusing Jim Carry.
  • #63
    @DARSB You are somewhat right about thimersol. It was not to be in the end product, however it is still used in the manufacturing of the vaccines. The CDC states that thimersol is to be filtered out of the finshed product, yet traces acceptable to the FDA, still remain. Keep in mind that mercury bio-acculmilates in the body; so multiply the traces of thimersol by the 20 shots given. There are over 40 vaccines given to children but most of them are grouped together such as the MMR vaccine, which does contain trace amounts of thimersol.
  • #66
    @34YOUDECIDE Well, no, the "bio-accumulation" thing isn't really real, according to the FDA: "[research centers] examined levels of mercury in blood and other samples from infants who had received routine immunizations with thimerosal-containing vaccines.[Pichichero ME, et al. Lancet 360:1737-1741 (2002)] Blood levels of mercury did not exceed safety guidelines for methyl mercury for all infants in these studies. Further, mercury was cleared from the blood in infants exposed to thimerosal faster than would be predicted for methyl mercury; infants excreted significant amounts of mercury in stool after thimerosal exposure, thus removing mercury from their bodies. These results suggest that there are differences in the way that thimerosal and methyl mercury are distributed, metabolized, and excreted. Thimerosal appears to be removed from the blood and body more rapidly than methyl mercury."
  • #87
    I couldn't agree with your comments here more. Anti-vaccine parents either are missing key scientific information or are blatantly choosing to ignore it. Either way, it's irresponsible.
    Have you read The Panic Virus by Seth Mnookin? Very interesting. Clear presentation of heartfelt beliefs of anti-vaccine proponents, along with why their beliefs are unfounded. I'd reccomend it to anyone wanting to know more about the science behind the mercury scare.
  • #7
    I say yes, for now. The risk is to high not to get the vaccine for a child, at this point, but if this turns out that there is a connection made, then that will change things.
  • #6
    I think it's prudent to vaccinate your children. Of course, science is always discovering that what they thought was good yesterday, may not be so good today. But when I think that polio was almost wiped out by vaccine.
    I just got back from getting my annual flu shot. Exposed to so many ill people in my business, I prefer the security of the vaccine and the dry hands from the anti-bacterial hand sanitizer to the misery of the flu and colds.
  • #18
    There is a reason they call it "practicing medicine.". As insane as we think bloodletting is I wounder what our grandchildren will think of what we do.
  • #104
    Mandatory vaccines violate the Nuremberg Code, a set of medical ethical standards created due to the horrors of nazi experimentation of humans.

    "Safety testing of many vaccines is limited and the data are unavailable for independent scrutiny, so that mass vaccination is equivalent to human experimentation and subject to the Nuremberg Code, which requires voluntary informed consent;" Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
  • #105
    Vaccines cause death and permanent disability.

    The Vaccine Adverse Reporting Systems (VAERS) documented 2,142, deaths and 3,177 permanent disabilities between 1991-2001 from vaccinations.(See Table 9) Surveillance for Safety After Immunization
    The actual statistics are between 10 - 66 times higher (approximately 21,420 - 142,800 deaths), as only between 1.5-10% of adverse events are reported.
    The FDA acknowledges only 10% of adverse reports are filed. In a 1993 statement of former FDA commision, David Kessler, he writes of a study where only "about 1% of serious events are reported to the FDA." See JAMA source
    An analysis by Wald & Shojan [in 2001] found that only 1.5% of all adverse events result in an incident report. See Adverse Reactions
    “Vaccination causes significant death and disability at an astounding personal and financial cost to uninformed families and society.” Alan Phillips, see his well footnoted article.
  • #106
    Published scientific studies link vaccines to causing and promoting, AIDS, Autism, Cancer, Diabetes, Hearing/Vision Loss, Hepatitis B, MMR, Mumps, Polio and Rubella.

    Vaccines linked to diseases by scientific studies, Global Vaccine Institute
    "After extensively researching the medical literature, we have identified six ways that vaccination may cause cancer, either directly or indirectly." Mr. and Mrs. Horwin, whose son died of brain cancer connected to a vaccine.
    Deadly Immunity - documentation that the government hid clear links between vaccines and autism, by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Rolling Stone
  • #107
    Vaccines do not confer immunity to the diseases they are supposed to.

    "Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection."
    Dr Albert Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine (lecture to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy, December 7th 1985) Doctors and Scientists Condemn Vaccination
  • #108
    Vaccines may be contaminated with unknown substances, no independent testing is done to ensure purity, this is a standard below what is used for many foods.

    "Manufacturers do most vaccine testing because it would be impractical for the FDA to test every batch of every vaccine made. The companies conduct tests for potency and sterility, among other things, and share the results with the FDA." USA Today, Flu Vaccine Debacle
    "No batch of vaccine can be proved safe before it is given to children." Leonard Scheele, Surgeon General of the United States addressing an AMA convention in 1955 New Zealand Vaccine Newsletter
  • #109
    Vaccines can be contaminated with viruses from animals.

    "SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey. Soon after its discovery in 1960, SV40 was found in polio vaccine. Over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine during the period (1955-1963) when some of the vaccine was contaminated with SV40." CDC, Simian Virus
    The SV40 virus is linked to cancer. A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
    "In the Rimavex measles vaccine, we found various chicken viruses. In polio vaccine, we found acanthamoeba, which is a so-called "brain-eating" amoeba. Simian cytomegalovirus in polio vaccine. Simian foamy virus in the rotavirus vaccine. Bird-cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine. Various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine. I've found potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines. Duck, dog and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine. Avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine. Pestivirus in the MMR vaccine." Vaccine Dangers, from a vaccine whistle blower
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  • #91
    This government has been caught red handed intentionally inoculating with plaques and viruses and observing the body count!! You think they care about your kids?
    These are facts! Go freaking look them up idiots
    The 13 Most Evil U.S. Government Experiments on Humans

    Sick: Government Sprayed Radioactive Chemicals on Poor People in Science Experiment, Study Claims
  • #90
    I swear to god, some people are so freaking blind or willfully ignorant. Nothing's changed from tobacco science. People and even DOCTORS used to endorse cigarettes as healthy. We used to laugh at that generation as stupid :( Nothing changes. People are sheep, afraid of being shunned from the heard.
  • #82
    The anti-vaccine movement has the potential to harm everybody,not just children. The autism- MMR vaccine theory has been debunked a long time ago,due to the fact that Dr. Andrew Wakefield has been shown to have manipulated his data.
    Thanks to these MMR vaccine fears,measles outbreaks have a occured in numerous parts of the US,due to the fact that parents are refusing to get their kids vaccinated.
  • #80
    For those of you who do not vaccinate your children, I just hope that they do not come down with some desease that could have been avoided. It really to bad that fear is being spread but then again fear makes people do stupid things.
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