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  • #33
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    We borrow 42 cents of every dollar Washington spends today

    Our Children and Grand children surely wont have the same America that we all had

    What a shame!!!
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    That was the most beautiful sentiment I've seen expressed in a long, long time. You are a truly sensitive poetic soul kirbstomp1. I salute you.
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    How can the GOP best compete with Hillary in 2016? Run a true principled conservative. It is the only way. If we run someone who is just a Democrat-lite then people will not see a difference worth attracting them to a different party.

    Conservatives have solutions. Honestly we do, if anyone would ever listen. We just believe it is up to each individual to seize control and responsibility for their own lot in life. We feel it is too much to ask to burden society with each and every need of each and every citizen. We feel society works best with the most people contributing to it, as opposed to when the most people are demanding gifts.

    I will be chastised by many and told I don't know what I'm talking about and that I'm always wrong and that I add nothing to this board. Those that level those charges at me offer no solutions. Instead of them attacking me, I ask what are your solutions? How is it better for society to make society responsible for everyone's happiness instead of expecting an individual to be responsible for their own happiness.

    Clinton can be beaten if we run a true conservative that shows America a path to freedom and prosperity that they can control individually and that no man can take from them. I pray we do nominate and run just such a candidate.
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    the problem being that the GOP couldn't tell a true conservative from a corncob. look at the last pick of nominee wannabees. the GOP just does not understand what being a conservative means anymore. being radical right is, by definition, not conservative.
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    @woodtick57 - Define a conservative for me, by your definition. I'm curious as to what attributes you'd ascribe to a true conservative.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix

    Fiscal responsibility. Realizing that not all gov't is bad and that it takes an intelligent look at the use of our collective monies and energies to get a good ROI on them.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix I don't know what a conservative is or what it means, but if conservatism was what the GOP had at the 2012 primaries, that's something people should run away from. These guys, in my opinion, are nuts. They have personalities that are strange and they say strange things. Romney? Santorum? Gingrich? Bachman? Perry? And the rest of them. They all need a mental overhaul. And they need to go to school and take a class on how to be normal.
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    @MBernard No, not by any definition could they have been called conservatives. Romney is fairly conservative, as was Huntsman and to an extent, Pawlenty. The other whackjobs were just that, batspit crazy.
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    The only way the the Neo-con Republicans will win is if they run a liberty minded libertarian who is a lot like Ron Paul, but a lot younger and wittier!!! Someone who can connect with the young vote, like Ron Paul, but be able to convince them to vote! He/she will have to attack Hillary on her communistic personality and be able to make liberty a more likable concept, other than the "post liberty" socialistic Nazi Nanny-state paradigm that Hillary will most likely be running on!!!

    It will be tough, but liberty will prevail! That's if we aren't in martial law by the time of the next election!
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    Might I add that Hillary will most likely, if elected, will bring about more regulations not formed by law here in Amerika, but by the UN!
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    Ron Paul dd not lose because he was old and not witty, he got no support from sane people as his platfrm proposals were proven to not work before he was even born. Most people know that nad that is why he is going nowhere.
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    2012? Well she didn't so what does that mean? Politix needs a proofreader? There's plenty of college grads looking for work. And they've already been indoctrinated in liberalism so they're ready to work :)

    Seriously, everything will be very different after four more years of Obama. With a predicted debt of $25 trillion and real unemployment at over 20% it's hard to say what will happen.

    If the "news"media and Democrat love fest sours they could be in for a world of hurt. Can you say third party.
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    Hillary should win in '16 if she runs. We have lost the country. Kruchscevs dream has been realized. The communists infiltrated the schools in particular and pumped out a few generations of good little socialists who now vote. After obamacare gets everyone by the b**ls and government is deciding for you how many extra value meals per month you are allowed to have, seeing as the cost to the system you are with your cheeseburger veins, then you'll see, then maybe you'll vote republican, but it will be too late, comrade.
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    I haven't given up hope on the American people just yet. We have a couple more opportunities to turn this thing around in 2014 and 2016. Most states have Republican governors and state legislatures. Also, the majority in the U.S. House are Republicans. All may not be lost just yet. However, we don't have much time and can't afford to waste votes.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix I would love to share your optimism, but govt. always expands its programs, and the wothless lazy set for life types who occupy those positions (Beauracrats) have a union. The only thing I could see with the american people finally waking up would be a gutting of social programs like pulling a band aid off. But the socialist (democratic) party is paying thier voters to make more of themselves at a faster rate than republicans who have to pay for thier offspring. Of course, thats the future dem voters who were lucky enough not to have been tossed into a trash can.
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    if our country is done it is because. So many people don't know what a communist or a socialist is and can't responsibly do their civic duty of being informed on the issues.
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    @woodtick57 If socialism is not having my money taken from me, filtered through layers of government workers until it gets to the non-producer I would like to know what it is. What have you been indoctrinated to beleive comrade?
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    @CATTLEPROD

    that would not be socialism, it would be the blend of capitalism and socialism we have in the US. There has never been a truly capitalistic country.(Well, the first iteration of the US was pretty close and it failed miserably and had to be replaced with our Constitution.
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    Flashback 2008, "If Obama is elected, America is finished". Pre 2012 election, "If Obama is reelected, America is finished". Today, "If we survive Obama and Hillary is elected President... America is finished".
    Crying wolf will only make you horse and cause everyone else to laugh at you.
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    @Hrsqsiest Once the fuse is lit... does it matter under whose watch the bomb goes off?
    Obama was elected... and re-elected which set into motion the end of America. His first election he spread gasoline all over the Constitution... with his re-election the American people gave him a box of matches, now if Hillary comes along and strikes one of those matches... all of the above will be true, except your little half-wit attempt of a quote.
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    @Heavy-Fed
    Since it appears that we are to have National Health Care, you'll probably have to move to Canada with the rest of those opposed to it. See what I'm getting at? You're original post is utter nonsense. If you are going to argue that a president 'poured gas' on the constitution, why only go back as far as 'this' president? What about the 'National Security Act'? You know, the one that stripped us of our freedoms? If you're going to make statements about a president, at least try and show others that you're not just biased towards the sitting president. What you did was nothing but regurgitating party talking points. Try being a true 'American' and think for yourself. You don't know what Ms Clinton might do if she were to become the president. Just the same way that nobody could know what any other president would do before they were elected. If President Bush were to have run on the stand that he had prior knowledge that planes were to have been used to fly them into buildings within the U.S. but that nothing was going to be done to stop it, would you vote for him? And if you would, why? Can you see my point here? Making blanket party statements do us no good. In fact, it has done nothing but divide the nation. If half the country wants to turn left and the other half wants to turn right, then all we do is sit and argue about which way to go. Which is what we are doing now. There was a time, long ago, when the citizens would sit down and work out a reasonable course of action. Those days ended a long time ago. Nowadays, its just party talking points and nothing gets accomplished.
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    The democrats will run another minority in 2016. They can get like 98% of the black and hispanic vote simply by running a minority. No way the white majority can overcome that, even if a large majority vote republican. There are enough far left liberal white people out there that will always vote democrat. They call the republican party the racist party, but the minority democrats are the racist ones. They will vote strictly for race, zero other considerations, even for a president (like this one) who has policies that will hurt them.
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    It really doesn't matter. The majority have drunk the tribal Kool-Aide. "Just take care of us and tell us what to do." Socialism is a system of mediocrity. The exceptional people will either be so demoralized that they give up or they will go elsewhere to pursue excellence. The majority are too stupid to understand that.
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    You've swallowed too much of Ayn Rand's kool-aid. Look up the word socialism in a dictionary, then do a little research. Socialism is not the antithesis of capitalism. The two ism's can work well together for the greater good, while still inspiring creativity and greatness.
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    I'm glad to see the numerous conservative posters here that are acknowledging the inevitability of a GOP loss in 2016. Facing a small truth is the first step to recovery. Next up will be admitting that Obama was born in the USA. Then that GW Bush was responsible for cratering the economy and starting 2 unnecessary wars. After that we'll work on understanding that like Bush Sr. said trickle down economics is nothing but Voodoo Economics designed to cut taxes for those who don't need it. Pretty soon you'll be inhabiting the real world like the rest of us.
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    I disagree with everything you said. The GOP lost only because we ran a Democrat-lite candidate. Had we picked a true principled conservative we would have easily gotten 60% of the vote. You better hope that Christie or someone like him gets the Republican nomination 2016 or it's lights out for your party.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix "Had we picked a true principled conservative" - Sorry Neo, I don't think Satan is a natural born citizen. I'm glad to see you are already rationalizing Christie's loss in 2016. That's a step forward :)
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    @PNWest - I'm not rationalizing Christie's loss, I don't even think he'll run. I think we'll get our heads together and nominate someone who is truly conservative and can convey to the American public how self accountability is an asset not a curse.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix

    Hardly a democrat lite. Romney was the most conservative candidate after huntsman left the race. The others were so far right as to not be conservative any more.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix

    But the GOP keeps rejecting real conservatives. The only reason Romney was able to beat back all the far right whackjobs was his 8 years of compaigning and billions of dollars.
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    Nothing but a continuation of the liberal agenda of "redistribution" of "other peoples" wealth and destruction of the constitution. The jealous and contemptuous of the successful will love to have "hilarious" and "slick willy" in the white house. What freebies will she offer for votes? Will we see full amnesty and completely open boarders while the legal American citizen pays more of their earned money for them to be here?
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    Hillary should have been the nominee in 2008 instead of Obama, but...if she chooses to run in 2016, she'll still have all the Democrats and a lot of the Independents. Don't think the Republicans have anyone who can compete with her. Actually, the republicans need to start grooming several for the potential job of President, but I'm thinking by 2016, we'll be socialist and a conservative, capitalist won't have a chance anyway. The majority will like the idea.
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    I would agree with you, it appears that the majority prefers socialism. However, unions are bankrupting this country. Socialism is an unsustainable concept. I say we still need to groom a true conservative to run in 2016 and we have a great shot at winning. After the economy is still in the tank from 8 years of obama, people will realize that giving the Democrats more time is not the solution.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix ".... the economy is still in the tank from .... obama" - HAHAHAHAHA Good one! DJIA when GW Bush was installed: 1/20/01 10,587.59, DJIA when Obama was inagurated: 1/20/09 7,949.09, DJIA as of COB Friday: 13,155.13.
    Hopefully you guys will run Santorum. Santorum is truly representative of the modern republican party.
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    @PNWest - Why is unemployment so high? G.W. had us at 4%, obama has us at 7.7%(if you believe the numbers weren't fudged). Explain to us the difference there.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix When GW Bush left office unemployment was 7.8%, it is currently 7.7%. For the last 4 years the GOP has made it the party's #1 priority to see to it that Obama would be a one term president. They failed in that but have done everything in their power to obstruct the president at the expense of the American public. Even with this obstruction the unemployment rate is lower now than it was when Obama took office.
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  • #130
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    This is a waste of time, since Hillary's not going to run. I don't know why the media always wants to fight the last war.
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    Robert, none of that matters. Obama proved that if you are a dem you get a pass on all that stuff. Absolutly none of that came un in 2008 primary. It was dead and buried. The GOP plays softball when the DNC plays hardball. No guts. But whomever ran against Hillary would have every dirty secret blasted all over the place--be it truth or not.
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    I doubt Hillary will run, but if she does the GOP will have no choice but to open her closet and drag out all the Christmas presents. Everything from HilliaryCare, to Vince Foster, to trail of bodies she's left laying around, Whitewater, OKC coverup, everything. Connecting her to Bill Clinton would be the best approach but ultimately I think she would win anyway.
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    Billery Clinton will win in 2016 if she runs, hands down. The lemmings love the Clinton machine just as they love the Chicago Thug Political machine that we currently have.
  • #110
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    Why would Hillary want to try to govern the mess that will be the USA at the end of 4 more years of the Idiot Obama? If given his way, he will so thoroughly destroy this country by 2016 that it will be hard for anyone to see their way out. Debt will be something over $22T, maybe $24T. Military will be second rate. American influence non-existant. Fewer people with a paycheck than without. Maybe 55% of the electorate dependent on the government, with just 45% trying to pay for everything. Taxes way up. Dollar worthless, the Chinese Yuan Reminbi replacing the dollar in the world exchange markets. Inflation back, unemployment up, and wages and standard of living way down. Sounds like a great place to be? Welcome to the USSA. The only possible hope is if the republicans can block everything he tries and we can tread water for 4 years. Of course, then the democrats will blame republican "obstructionism" for all the problems. The sad truth is that unless they can find a way to obstruct, this is what we get to experience. Remember - I told you so.
  • #109
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    The Republican Party is done. The Democrats didn't do it. The Republicans who were moderate and some conservative allowed the right wing radicals to hijack the party which turned it into two different parties. There will never be another Republican President again thus; the moderates in that party need to change the name of the party and within 20 years be a viable political party. The baggers will not like the States this century so they need to move to Iran. Obama will nominate four new USSC Justices changing the course of the nation the next 40 years. He will appoint young ones.

    Hillary will appoint perhaps one or two more during her eight years in office. It is more than over for Republicans and if they cannot see it by Obama getting a huge landslide TWICE they never will so to heck with them. Blame Newty and Palin along with right wing radio and Faux for this mess.
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