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    "we have been stupid to let the Democrats demagogue the contraceptives issue" - Rush Limbaugh is a Democrat?
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    ha i didn't think of that, i care as much what rush limbaugh thinks of anything as i do about i'm all for anything that takes the focus off regulating genitals so we can get some real problems solved for a change.
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    @johnCrow you hit post too fast dummy, simply put i care very little what rush limbaugh has to say about anything, he is nothing more than the conservative howard stern. i lost the speck of respect i had for him when he demonized drug users while crunching down opiate after opiate.
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    @johnCrow birth control lookin at the picture of that guy is all it take holy hell hes ugly i hope he dont look like that all the tim and oh yea rush limbaugh is an idiot point his blank exspression period blood on his thoughts views and stances i cant stand that guy
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    I think I agree in principle, but wouldn’t that mean that everything would require a prescription? Or are you meaning that docs should decide what would be available over the counter?
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    @Fishbone345

    Yeah but at what point? I'm all in favor of expanding OTC drugs. I don't think a responsible person should need a prescription for Vicoden and the like.
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    @Thunderchicken I mean that physicians should determine whether medicine is safe enough to be available over the counter, not politicians and not insurance companies. If medicine has potentially harmful side effects, then it should not be easily available for self medication without any counseling from a doctor or pharmacist for no better reason than cutting government costs or increasing insurance company profits.
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    that's a dumb idea.. who's going to pay for birth control pills when they can get them for free ? how heartless can jindlal be ? next he will be asking people to pay for their own food
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    he's definitely starting his presidential run hard.

    Maybe he should come right out and say it honestly..."get me out of LA..please!"
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    Sandra Fluke is a democrat. One who claims she can not afford $12.00 a month for the prescription cost.
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    Sandra Fluke is now an Attorney. And a famous one. I suspect she can afford birth control although being Lesbian I doubt she needs it. The point that she's trying to make and (which I don't necessarily agree with) is that some college student females cannot afford birth control and should get them through their health care. I wonder how people can afford 150,000.00 education but not birth control but that's just me. Selling BC over the counter would greatly improve sales and bring the expense down to around 5.00 a month is my guess and I support that. More birth control = less abortions and that's a good thing.
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    @jessejaymes - well college may cost 150,000 but between grants, scholarships, and financial aid, will not only pay for tuition, books, and extra fees. It will also pay for your living, food, and other expenses. You just gotta pay back the financial aid, but everything else was free. Im just a college student and have to do all my financial stuff.
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    @jessejaymes Fluke isn't a lesbian. She's engaged to Adam Mutterperl.
    Unless you were being sarcastic and I didn't get it, then disregard.
    Text is a hard medium to convey sarcasm in.
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    @Fishbone345 I don't where I got that. I was not being sarcastic I actually thought she was. Not my business either way, I was just trying to make the point that everything some people do is not just for themselves. If I'm in error then maybe the moderator could remove my erroneous statement.
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    @kirbstomp1 Mr. President I do understand where you're coming from. If I had to go to college today I couldn't do it. When I went back in the day in California, residents had to pay no more than 50.00 a course. Boy those were the days huh? I understand the situation you're speaking to but I think most of that would be solved by selling BC over the counter. I know I sure would rather subsidize 60.00 a year for poor women than I would to pay for a welfare kid until age 18.
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    Ok, birth control pills are a hormonal tool. I can only imagine the issues this would bribg to surface. Doctors take underlying medical issues into effect before prescribing birth control pills. Hypertension, diabetes, etc all affect your hormonal level and shouldnt be tampered with.
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    Everything should be available over the counter. It's my body, my choice.
    The prescription system should be used to determine eligibility for insurance or any relevant federal financial assistance to treatment. If someone really wants something they should be able to get it if they are willing to pay for it. As long as labeling and warnings including a link to a website with more complete information are accurate it is informed consent and should be allowed.
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    Where are all these sensible Republicans coming from? I had almost given up on the party. Where where they all the past eight years?
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    He can give up the presidential campaign because conservatives do not want a moderate they want a right-wing nut that they can control.
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    The common sense is the result of the post election night hangover. Take two pills, and call me in 2016. Hopefully ot won't last and they will go on another wacko binge. Palin/Atkin, something like that...
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    @PoliticalSpice LOL. I know you are a an unwavering Democrat supporter, but I think it would be nice to have some real and hard choices to make in 2016. Instead of the super easy choice of the last 2 ecections. If Palin/Atkins was the ticket I could cast my vote today, I don't even need to know who the Dems nominate.
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    @Waynestew well just planning a stratergy here, you'd be surprized how many who say they are conserve want to pick folks almost as likely to win. Read redstate some time. And you couldn't be wrong about whom I support, but desperate times call for desperate measures. And the idea of teturning to pre-FDR era was a bit much...
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    I wouldn't have a big problem with OTC birth control, except for:#1 what makes you think the b/c pills would be used any more regularly than condoms are used? They must be taken regularly to work... and #2 there are women who could be at high risk who should NOT take b/c pills, i.e., those with high b/p, smokers, circulation problems and other health issues that could be made worse, including death, by taking the pill. That would open up the pharmaceuticals to huge lawsuits so I doubt they'll be OTC.
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    Most prescription drugs aren't sold OTC because the FDA claims there are dangers from improper application of the drug.

    In the case of Birth Control Pills I would imagine the only concern would be the complications of overdose.

    What would happen if you took too many birth control pills? You won't be able to have kids? That was the point of taking them in the first place.

    Maybe taking too many would cause retroactive birth control.... Hmmmmm

    WAIT!!!!!!!!!!

    does anyone know where to find Sandy Fluke's mom? I have a few boxes of some really good hard candy.
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    The pill actually can have sever side effects, cause blood clots, stroke. There are several versions and the women needs be educated on what to look for so she can know if the side effects mean she needs swutch to a version more suitable to her body chemistry. Tobacco is very dangerous with the pill, that needs to be explained carefully, not just a sentence on the box, but a full explanation of why its dangerous, how it works in the body to increase risk of blood clots, stroke, finally taking them properlly not skipping dose is very important as effectiveness for the entire month can be compromised by missing a dose or two. I am not against giving them without a perscription, but maybe certification they had a one breif lecture, combined with mandating the pharmacist ask questions and give indtructions to make sure the women know how to ise it is very important. These are not asprins they jave serious side effects and only work properly if taken in a specific order
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    @PoliticalSpice ...you asked what I thought about the above...I personally think anyone taking birth control pills should be under the care of a doctor with regular monitoring of her health. Most pharmacists are very good at asking if you understand the medication and how to take it, etc., but I wouldn't want to put on them the responsibility of all that can happen with b/c pill. Sure OTC would make it easier, but the outcomes could be far more serious.

    Would you believe I went to a dr. one time from the Phillipines and he said many women there were still getting pregnant while on the pill...come to find out they only took the pill on the day they were having sex.
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    Actsmom@Yea, that was a problem in the u.s. too in the60's if my memory serves me correctly, not taking it on just that day, perhaps, but thinking missing a day or two was ok. Thanks for your opinion. this is going to be a hot issue, and I want to perspectives on ot now...
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    @PoliticalSpice You both have valid points but I think it's time for Humor 101:

    This is called satire... A form of humor that's dying out because one needs to actually understand the circumstance well enough to be obtuse... hence funny.

    For example...
    THIS PART IS THE SET-UP, it gets the readers mind going in the direction you want to take them..........

    Most prescription drugs aren't sold OTC because the FDA claims there are dangers from improper application of the drug.

    In the case of Birth Control Pills I would imagine the only concern would be the complications of overdose.

    What would happen if you took too many birth control pills? You won't be able to have kids? That was the point of taking them in the first place.

    OK... now you're thinking about Birth Control Pills and their misuse, you are going in a direction you think is right..... Here is when I throw in a fork on the road ahead and as Joey Berra said "When you come to a fork in the road, you take it."

    Sorta like this:

    Maybe taking too many would cause retroactive birth control.... Hmmmmm

    THIS IS THE PUNCH LINE..... The payoff for the setup... the funny part.

    WAIT!!!!!!!!!!

    does anyone know where to find Sandy Fluke's mom? I have a few boxes of some really good hard candy.

    Ya know it really sucks the joy right out of a joke when you have to stop and explain it to the slower kids in the class..... please pay attention in the future, I hate wasting great jokes.

    THIS ALSO IS INTENDED IN THE VEIN OF SATIRE. PLEASE TIP THE WAITRESS ON YOUR WAY OUT.
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    The only controversy their ever was about birth control was should people offended by birth control be forced to help pay for it. Sounds like a good idea as long as tax dollars don’t subsidize it.
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    Obviously they should, it's 2012. Plan B should also be sold since it's just a concentrated dose of the same medication.
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    If every female were as well informed as my girls, then I'd say yes. But they aren't. How about if a girl has to go to some sort of practitioner, doctor, PA, or nurse practitioner for counseling, and then gets a pass to take to the pharmacy or some such.
    But don't let this be an excuse for limiting abortion rights. Hopefully the need will be reduced, and that should be enough.
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    texas-I understand your point. But there are so many OTC Meds that have contraindications already. And in reality,,odds of bad reactions,,,more so than that of BCP. I say this as a conservative medical proffessional. Logic tells me that it would be no more harmful than other meds.
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    Why should we continue to let "doctors" rule our civil liberties? They can now even prescribe pot, but only doctors...They need to stay in business but often that's just pill pushing. Big Pharma needs to give back for everyone and make all birth control OTC, probably a few other "medicines" that should be OTC by now too.
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    i think it is a dangerous medical self practice, to do this strong of a medication without consulting a doctor. they who practice medicine on themselves, without advice and counsel from a professional. has an idiot, for a doctor.
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    He is right. Condoms and other birth control is. The problem comes when too many people have issues with cysts and other issues, they will sue the manufacturer, then the government will come in and demonized that company for negligence in the name of greed, forcing them out of business, where the only pills you get are produced by a government vendor and will cost women $3000 per year.
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    Wow! Impressive, your ability to predict the future. So I might gauge your reliability, tell me who you predicted to win the 2012 presidential election?
  • #48
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    Isn't it refreshing to see Republicans scrambling for footing? OTOH...will the fickle electorate let this clown get away with it?
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