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    It's a "great day" knowing my health care will soon be entirely in the hands of the Federal Government. They've done such a bang-up job with everything else they put their hands to I'm sure it will be well run and fully funded and our quality of care will increase.(barf)

    It's more accurate to say that the American public is 0 for 1 on this.
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    Well if it's entirely in the hands of tge federal govt blane your repub govenor, he could had avoided the whole thing by organizing a state exchange.
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    @PoliticalSpice
    I have a Democrat Governor - Pat Quin - in a completely bankcrupt and Democraticly controlled state - Illinois.

    The exchanges are meant to fail in the long run. Obama Care's ultimate goal is single payer. Governors who are handing this to the Feds are just being pragmatic. Why waste time and money on exchanges that are doomed to fail?
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    @PoliticalSpice Single Payer may be all said and good in countries that are considerably smaller than the USA. A country our size, over 315,000,000 is too big for a single payer system.
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    @MarkJM well i prefer national health care, but with such feirce political opposition I think the only politically feasible way to do this is strike the words "over 65" grom medicare and be done with it. Now if the opposition were more reasonable a better plan could be contemplated, but I think getting it in place is the modt important priority. In my opinion we are more then 50 years overdue on this, that is why despite my misgivings on obamacare he got my vote for re-election, it is a srep in the right direction, and I beleive we need to start walking, rather then quibble over details which only delays things futher...
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    They thought Gov Romney was going to win and the ACA would be repealed. 0 for 2. If the implementation of the exchanges goes reasonably well, they'll be 0 for 3.
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    Yea, but there is more here then meets the eye. There were sone drafting problems in the language regarding the federal exchanges that leave them open to legal challenges in a way state exchanges are not. A lot of these govenors are hoping to bring litigation on that basis in hopes of obstructing obamacare from taking full effect. Just liked they hoped they court throw out the law with the original challenges on laws constitutionallity, they hope to derail with challenges on statutory language. Hopefully they will get same results as first time, abd then be stuck with federal, rather then state exchange.
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    Romney should have used his own state for the example of the failure of Romneycare. Massachusetts has the highest health care costs behind the NHS system in the UK. The DEMOCRATIC governor cannot get his own party to pass a price control bill to stop the insurers from setting "whatever they want to charge" prices because they can.

    Obamacare is going to be worse. My employer is telling all of us to expect $1200 per month premiums or more in mid 2014 and they cited Obamacare as the reason...and the
    HR woman repeated herself again. She said OBAMACARE was the reason. Right now I am in the $450 range. So the existence of this law jacks up my insurance $800? I guess I should let my health go to hell, get fat, stop working out and become a lard boy chump loser who drinks rockstar all day so I can see the value of that cost.
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    @RobertJHarsh You are getting healthcare insurance for $450 mo.( family or single cov)? How much is your employer contributing?
    A quick search reveals that single coverage male 20 -30 $450 a month buys you aPolicy with a 2500 deductible and a 250k max lifetime cap payout
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    @RobertJHarsh
    That's ridiculous. Health insurance should cost no more than $1.00 per day or $30.00 monthly. And with $20.00 deductible. This is why health insurance should be totally nationalized and run as a non-profit. Four hundred fifty dollars is more than a lot of people take home in TWO weeks.
    Insurance, oil, banks need to all be nationalized and non-profit.
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    @Keyjo So people's total cost would be 380/year? Are you really going to trust any healthcare provided to you for 380? If you want nationalization, there are plenty of other countries with this option...
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    @PoliticalSpice I can see that. I'm new here and there are times when I think I clicked on TheBlaze instead of Politix.
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    I suspect that Republican Governors would rather hand over control to the Feds rather than accept any association with PPACA. That will leave them free to thwart and criticize.
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    Conservatives can't name a single country worth living in that doesn't have some form of national healthcare. Not a single one. The USA pays nearly twice as much per capita for poorer care than most of them.
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    Not only that, the hypocracy is worse. Remeber they threaten to go to Canada if Obama was re-elected. Canadian style health care. socialized medicine. Bunch of ignorant hypocrites. Is being of such low intelligence a covered condision inder Obamacare?
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    @PoliticalSpice I've been trying to get appointed to the local Obama DEATH PANEL and having conservatism defined as an incurable disease. Once I get there we're planning a big plug pulling party.
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    @PNWest Well I wanted to sit on a task force to repeal obamacare and replace it with canadian style health care & dismantle the pentagon (robert gibbs), but when you say thibgs like this i think obamacare could be a good thing!
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    This will be another "abortion issue" that is in the courts FOREVER until such time as this nation goes to the same one payer socialized medicine of the rest of the civilized world. And it will. You can snarl and whine and threaten and sue to the day you drop dead but it's coming. This is not going to be pretty nor cheap. Because of the right wing opposition it will be constantly in the courts and that's expensive. And some states will try to bastardize every bit of it. That will be expensive. The fact that it's not true socialized medicine will make it more expensive. But it's coming and I for one support that. Obamacare is a nightmare because of how the GOP diluted it in order to pass it but it's a necessary first step.
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    Deluted it? You mean there was more than the 2700 pages we actually got? Even pelosi didn't know how many pages it had!! We still don't know what all is in what we did get!!! Pelosi don't either!!!
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    @Ashstop You may choose to make this "all the other sides fault". I choose to see it as what is inevitable. Obamacare is but the first step to true socialized medicine. This pro gun, anti abortion, pro English, lock down the border conservative knows the reality. Our Health care is the most expensive in the world and is not rated in the top 10 any longer. ALL of the top 10 are socialized medicine programs. Time to get with the times.
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    @Ashstop On that narrow point I agree. They should have just deleted two words "over 65" from the existing medicare law and been done with it. No need for a 2700 page bill that does nothing but keep useless health insurance companies in the picture.edicare for all. That is the easiest and better step to have taken. As @jessejames states, eventually we will get there...
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    @jessejaymes
    Strange how everyone wants to come here with medical problems, guess they don't want to wait 18 months to see a Dr in their country, socialized medicine would be great if we could just print free money... Wait! We can!! We won't ever have to need bailouts like Europe!! Not as long as we have forest to provide the paper and ink to stamp it with!! We are going to live forever!!!!:D!!!
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    @Ashstop "Everyone" doesn't come here for medical problems and I wish people would stop making that false claim. We have the finest medical care in the world for the ULTRA RICH and the ultra rich from around the world come here for that care. You and I don't get that care because we can't afford it and you damn well know that to be true.
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    I say let the feds run the health care. Here in Ohio, Kasich cited the costs. It would cost $46 million for Ohio to set it up vs $1.5 million for the feds to run it? I call that good cost analysis.
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    Be nice if all the facts were presented before asking opinions, the states were going to have a huge financial burden to do it themselves,( state taxes) which Obama would escape blame for, now it's in his court, let him figure out how to pay for it!!
    Brilliant call Governors!!
    Get ready for a new federal tax
    Thank you Mr. Obama!!
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    The whole Obamacare mess is a disaster in progress. The republican states should wash their hands of the whole mess and take none of the heat off Washington.
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    Good for them. Let the Federal gov't pay the employees necessary to run this crap. Why would the states want to be burdened with this nonsense. And the funny thing is that Obama expected them to want to have control of the issue. Guess what? They aren't so stupid as to do the Federal governments dirty work for them. Did they really think the states were going to foot the bill? What i'm seeing is the Liberals starting to have a temper tantrum that they are going to have to come up with a way to figure out their own problems. It sounded good in writing. Healthcare for everyone we have delivered you from evil. They never had any intentions of having to handle the paperwork. Bravo to the Governors for seeing thru this crap.
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    I think the governors are doing a fine job of rejecting to do it themselves. This just leaves open the government to do it and soon we will all have universal healthcare aka single payer...
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    Since the federal government thinks they are so smart, I don't blame the governors for putting it all on the Feds.

    Truth is, we will be taxed for Obamacare, and still have to obtain our own insurance, paying for it out-of-pocket (if your employer doesn't offer it). No one knows what those rates will be, at this moment, but we are told that prices could be 20% higher in the next 12-24 months by BC/BS.

    You will still be required to pay for services and hospital stays, as we do now.

    So, there is no savings, just a load of new taxes, including the new $63 charge for people with pre-existing conditions.

    Now I know why governors are abdicating. It would cost their state too much and it would increase taxes for the state.
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    we are talking about a real, nightmare rats nest here. that i don't think that even, democrat governers should touch. just to become another, scapegoat for obama. when it sounds like, another out of control forrest fire to me.
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    Why was the question put this way....why not ask if all governors should handle Obamacare? These governors are handing the COST OF HANDLING over to the
    Fed...they have budgets....unlike Barack Hussein Obama.
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    The Republican governors are hoist with their own petard. After falsely complaining for years that Obamacare was a federal takeover of health care, the refusenik GOP governors have now voluntarily engineered in their own states a federal takeover of the state health insurance exchanges established by the health care law. Somehow this is supposed to prove the GOP's bona fides as authentic right-wingers to please the base. And now the enablers of this hilarious and absurd outcome -- the Jim DeMint-run Heritage Foundation (where the health care law was first dreamed up 20 years ago by Stuart Butler) and Americans for Prosperity (a Koch brothers' front group) -- are PRAISING the refuseniks for standing firm against the law of the land. It reminds one of Alabama Gov. George Wallace standing in the doorway of a schoolhouse to prevent federally ordered integration. He was totally wrong but his white supremacist base loved the doomed defiance. In addition to Obamacare's historic impact on the health of the nation, the law has inadvertently and repeatedly exposed, in the most profound ways, how Republicans have devolved from a reality-based, post-World War 2 loyal opposition working for balanced budgets and small government. Today, the GOP is a national embarrassment led around by dead-enders, obsessed billionaires, neocons, climate deniers, racists, misogynists and corporate pawns far more worried about their brand and their path to regain power than they are about the national interest. It might even be sort of entertaining if the Republicans weren't doing everything in their power to stand between 30 million Americans and access to health care. There's nothing funny about that.
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