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  • #41
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    @Antitheist

    It not just about overthrowing the government when needed. Its about basic self defense. If someone believes that gun control stop criminals from acquiring and using them, they are truly retarded. As I type this my 1911 sits on my belt, in a public place, yet "miraculously" no one is getting gunned down. The only thing you do by restricting firearms is make the law abiding populace more vulnerable, period.
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    @John_Matrix protecting yourself from what? defending yourself from whom? did this guy need to defend himself from 1st and 2nd graders? were they picking on him on the play ground? did they stick their little pink tongues out at him? and what of the teachers... did they threaten to give him homework?
    please stop saying stupid things. the big issue of gun ownership has nothing to do with defense or protection. it has nothing to do with being able to stand against the government, or with protecting america from imagined terrorists. it's all about penis envy and you know it.
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    @John_Matrix Look man, I've lived all over the US, in every kind of neighborhood imaginable. I was mugged for my shoes when I was 12 with a gun pointed at my head. I've never needed a gun, EVER. You think me having a gun would've "saved" me in that instance? Your gun is your security blanket. Period. Life isn't a movie. You're not John Wayne. You are statistically more likely to be shot with your own gun or shoot a family member than you are using it in self-defense. Let your manly crutch go. That's all it is.
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    I would request that the moderator who reads this pass it on to the editorial staff of Politix. While I understand your questioning about gun control in light of this situation, I think this whole question on the same day as what has happened is in poor taste. There is no conceivable way that responders can respond without emotion being part of that response. Nobody sane among us wants Children killed. This is just ripping the hearts of many of us. As a hard boiled old man who has seen it all and reacts emotionally to very little today except with cyncism, I find myself brushing back a tear every few minutes as this unfolds. But this is not the time Politix. You are supposed to be journalists. You know this is not the time.
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    I've disagreed with you before, even today but I agree with you on this100%!! We should be mourning with all those suffering right now
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    so you want to take emotion out of the discussion about gun control. dozens of children are dead. because of guns!
    that's like saying let's take the emotion out of the deabte on abortion.
    just because you have a position on an issue doesn't mean you can dictate when the discussion will be had. there is a never a good time (or bad time) to discuss the matter.
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    @UScentral sir iv been around guns all my life n iv never wanted to kill another human being.lack of education n self discipline is the problem as is evident in your argument.if they take guns away from killers trust me they will find a way to kill. did david kill golliath with a gun ? they will start using bombs than youll wish they only had guns!! please sir open your mind before its to late.. once goverment takes all the guns than guess what they will have a monopoly on deadly force than people like us wont be able to argue this without going to prison or worse please before its to late.. dntont fall for this gun control stuff u r falling rite into the hands of a tyranical governmet
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    This is not about gun control. The one yesterday stole the gun he used. We don't know where this guy got the gun. I support background checks and I'm opposed to gun shows but we have plently of gun laws. Enforce those. You can't prevent this sort of thing and my heart is heavy over this. You just can't stop the criminally insane.
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    How many more have to die? You really don't think that our gun culture has played into this problem? It is just the criminally insane? What if it happens to someone you love? Will it just be an insane person that couldn't have been stopped? Most of these people are acquiring these guns legally. It is the guns that are the problem.
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    @srs606791163 If you want to debate this tomorrow or the next day I'll gladly do so. But today I am going to spend my free time dealing with the pain that we all feel for this happening. We can start debating what to do about it tomorrow. I regret that I even responded to the question.
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    @jessejaymes It never is the right time for people that love guns. The thing you love killed 18 kids today. I am sick to my stomach. I literally cried when the news broke. I have been thinking about them all day. I don't need to debate anything with you. I plan on calling my senators, the president, and any other elected official I can.
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    @srs606791163 That is your right as a citizen. Had you of read my comments elsewhere you would know that I own guns and I am not worried about losing my guns regardless of what laws might change. I am a responsible person with my guns and they are not accessible to others. Like I say, do as you will. That's your right. But your heart is no heavier than mine and millions of others today. This young man killed others but it now appears his main intent was to kill his own mother, which he did. This entire thing is tragic. I don't know why we have to debate it today. I need a day to mourn.
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    Whatever happened to the words "respect for the dead". I doubt Mary Noble, Sr. Editor Publix, who thought this an appropriate debate subject is a parent. children 5-9 years old & teachers are dead! Don't we owe a modicum of respect vs activating the second Amendment crazies for the sake of upping the hit count on the site
    A monument to poor taste!
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    I usually agree with you but not this time. How many of these tragedies have to occur before we institute sensible gun control? Talking about gun control now, even if you think it is bad taste is far better than waiting for another instance of irrational gun violence. It's time to kick the crap out of the NRA.
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    Respect for the dead, as you say, is precisely why we need to discuss this NOW, TONIGHT, TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK, AND FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES instead of letting our righteous anger fade away like the gun nuts are hoping will happen.
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    I agree with flora and pnwest. We HAVE to talk about this now! How long do you say we wait...a week, a month, a year? Why don't we wait until we have all gotten over the sadness from this tragedy. That way we really forget how upset and adamant that something get done.
    That is just what the NRA wants, a rational discussion devoid of any intense feelings of urgency and anger. That way the NRA has more time to bribe/threaten/strong arm any elected officials with enough moxy to go against them.
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    @NormalFlora my point was simply: do we really need the immediate gratification of venting our anger and bringing out all the screaming paranoid anti gov types, the 2nd amend. rights gun crazies or can it wait 24hrs?
    The other posts lead to the inevitable conclusion that we're a society that has an overwhelming need to attack the opposing side and the word "Respect" for the dead or one another is long gone from the country's vocabulary .
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    To the liberals, you can have your BS gun control, I'll keep my Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You can cower for the six minute responses to 911 calls when under duress while I resolve my issues in 30 seconds or less. Today is NOT the day to discuss BS gun control measures that have never worked. Finally, I submit this. If there was someone who was legally armed at Sandy Hook ES today, I would bet 20yr old Adam Lanza wouldn't have been able to take as many lives as that sick son of a bitch did. God Bless the Second Amendment!!!
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    @Antitheist won't happen, and if YOU don't like firearms, than that is YOUR problem, not mine...if you really think anything will get done about it, you are not only sorely mistaken, but naive to boot.
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    @MarkJM I've no doubt nothing will be done about it. You're false sense of security is more important than actually saving lives.
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    If there had been a licensed gun carrier on there property this could have ended it with no 2 little casualties . This is what happens when the law breakers have the guns.
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    Exactly, armed faculty/administrator or at the very least armed security guards are needed at all schools. There is NOTHING that will prevent these kinds of tragedies from occurring, but at least an armed person could have stopped it sooner!
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    Or an unlicensed one! An armed parent or teacher could have stopped this much sooner! It is an outrage that children are forced to be in unprotected gunfree zones. There should be required by law that a local policeman be on duty all hours at a school if the faculty is not allowed to carry firearms for the children's and their own protection.
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    Why? How about we discuss wack job control and how the mental health BUSINESS can better do it's job.

    Gun Control? As soon as someone shows me something that has some chance of accomplishing a reduction in the sort of stuff that brings this to bear.

    Every Gun Control measure ever coming up is always intended to do ONE thing... Infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
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    England and Canada don't have nearly the issues with violence we do especially gun violence.
    They don't have a vocal minority that silences discussion on gun control or guaranteeing everyone has access to mental health care.
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    @Cheenoguy REALLY? That's your response? Care to discuss knife laws and their reason in England? We have lots of gun control laws that don't seem to matter. Violating the law receives NO consideration on these wackjobs. We have a record on the impact gun control has on these tragedies. NONE!

    What we don't have is anything to get to the MENTAL aspects..... The gun didn't walk into that classroom by itself, some wackjob carried it in. If he didn't have a gun a few gallons of gasoline would have accomplished his depraved mission, wanna talk gas can control? No Gas Can? Who about driving across the playground at recess? Car Control?

    Regardless the weapon of choice, the results of a crazy going rogue are horrific. The common thread is the wackjob....
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    @Sharpshooter
    So are you saying England has problems with somebody stabbing dozens in a mall or cutting dozens of kids in schools?
    Nut jobs will be nut jobs, but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for them to take out large numbers while doing so.
    How many mass murders via arson are there in the countries with gun control?
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    @Cheenoguy Nut jobs will be nut jobs..... We have tried the gun control game plan and it has failed miserably.

    Nut jobs will be nut jobs but we don't want to do anything about that part.... WHY?

    Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Maybe you're right.... Nut Jobs will be nut jobs.

    What's behind your resistance to taking action to solve the problem.
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    @Sharpshooter
    So you are for making sure mental health care is available to everyone whether they have funds or not? I'm all for that.
    Gun control works everywhere else. We have some control in a few cities within states where guns are still available.
    Why are you resistant to addressing all of the issues? High capacity rounds combined with semi-automatic weapons as well as an over abundance of guns are part of the problem. People being able to buy guns without having to first prove mental stability is part of the problem. People being able to buy unlimited rounds of ammo is part of the problem.
    It amazes me that people would rather continue to have mass shootings where innocent men, women, and children die then even discuss gun and/or ammo restrictions.
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    the bottom line is., and this thread proves it , more people would rather talk about gun control then leave condolences and prayers and thoughts of the victims on the other thread. so there you have it.
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    That's because with stricter gun control we won't have to keep coming here to leave condolences for innocent victims of mass shootings like that in Newtown.

    Duh.
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    PolitixMary-for you to even imagine going on such a tangent implies you are more interested in a self-serving, emotionally inert agenda than you are the immense tragedy. I am sure that you will get attention-I assure you I'll let everyone I know that you are void of sensitivity.
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    It is what it is. "Ratings". The more hits they get the more money they make Media will glorify any tragedy with total insensitivity. ALL media.
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    @jessejaymes I understand your point-it's an industry, and they feed the consumer whatever sells. Gun control is a hot topic, most likely to be bought when emotions run high. However relevant that may be, it still seems like exploitation of a tragedy to me.
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    Shawn Hannity just sited a shooting incident at a school where no guns were allowed on campus. he said one of the teachers had a gun in his car off of campus...he ran to his car and got the gun and stopped the assault.
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    Yep, armed faculty and/or administrators, or at the very least armed security guards, are the best solution. Nothing can prevent something like this from happening, but armed teachers can stop it before it escalates to this level!
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    @Politicskid Sorry about that......the priest where we go to Mass spells it the other way that I spelled it....that was a big oops on my part!
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    Seriously? What kind of person tries to politicize this tragedy this soon with a question like this? And people wonder why there are crazies...
  • #258
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    Perhaps the same people who caused it? MK ULTRA anyone? Manchurian cadidates are real, and impressionable youth are easier manipulated.
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    yep... let them all have their toys and their egos... just take away all the bullets. stop selling anything other than proper hunting ammunition and that only during limited hunting season.
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    How come when something like this happens we focus on gun control and the violence in the media Instead of focusing on finding and treating mental illnesses?
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    I would rather discuss why this kid's mother (the kindergarten teacher that he shot and killed) didn't have her guns locked in a safe place. After all, the guns were registered to HER and she obviously knows her son is mentally defective - yet these guns were not properly locked in a safe place. Why blame the guns or, even more ridiculously, the bullets? They didn't do anything wrong. Common sense says if you own guns and you have a mentally defective child, you LOCK THE GUNS UP so the kid can't access them! More people are killed in the United States by drunk drivers every day than by guns. Maybe we should ban cars, right? Wait, using YOUR logic, we should ban TIRES! Yea, that it! It's the TIRES' fault! There, we've solved yet another problem. Boy, you're good, Antitheist. We need more people like you trying to solve problems... NOT!
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    @RepomanGP Here is something else to consider. Her 20 year old, "developmentally disabled" son acquired BDU's and body armor and she did not think this was something to be concerned about? You know the Colorado shooter was wearing BDU's and body armor too. Should we outlaw all camos?
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    no day is the right day to try and control guns. that genie is already out of the bottle and there is no way to put it back. what did the okc guy use? how about the 9-11 guys?

    we can't control what some defective person does,yet arming most citizens could very well stop things like this. we all know gun control has never stopped a person bent on killing. i for one would not be posting if i was not armed a few years back, would have never met my wife had kids grand kids or great grand kids today.

    when a gun saves a life or prevents crime by it surprising the would be criminal it not too often makes the news,i seen it back then no one was shot some all was good. the mere sight of my gun in my hands has sent a few would be thugs running and no one got hurt.
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    @tomincali ok, so you pulled out a gun and it prevented an incident. got it. get this...gun control has never stopped a killing because serious gun control has never really been attempted.
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    Continuing to insist on a ban on guns is like not buying an umbrella, it's going to rain and your going to get wet.(there's more firearms in America then people) We would all be much better off accepting the realities of the world we live in a work on reasonable solutions both sides can agree on. There's nuts in the world, you can't outlaw them either, we need the facilities in place to prevent these types of tragedies in the future.
    Schools are one of our most vulnerable places, a law saying no firearms within a 1,000 feet isn't working, we don't even protect our banks with just a sign that says don't rob me.
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    heck no, if a nut is going on a rampage the would use bows and arrows or something else. guns isnt the problem.
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    The control freaks are already wringing their hands in joy at the thought of getting to pass more gun laws, so that more incidents like this can happen. Anti-gun people are truely disturbed or naive individuals. Schools should NOT be gun-free zones, and should have armed security or faculty at them!
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    Reportedly the guns belonged to the shooter's Mother. They were registered in Connecticut which has some of the toughest gun laws in the Nation.
    The responsibility does not rest with the guns or the laws. It rests with the killer.
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    Gun control is NOT the answer, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them !!! I blame the problem on the lack of discipline on the parents part, parents are not legally allowed to discipline children!! Plain and simple!!!
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    We talk about gun control every day. Does he mean "is today is the day to use this tragedy to pass legislation that violates the US constitution?"
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