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    These liberals will tell you all a story on how appaulled they are about these childrens deaths. However, if these same children would have been aborted by thier mothers, These same liberals would have been laughing, and praising those mothers for killing those babies. usually liberals enjoy the death of innocent babies. They are A typical hypocrites. Now they will demand more gun laws and regulations. Even though that will do nothing, other than steal the rights of others. Liberals dream of more laws, as in Nazi Germany
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    You know something, no person likes the slaughter of human beings, and insinuating that all liberals equate abortion with mass gun murder is appalling. How you come to those conclusions is ridiculous and degrading. You poorly represent the people you align yourself with.
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    "Liberals dream of more laws, as in Nazi Germany"
    You realize Nazi Germany was a Fascist Government right? The idea that it was Socialist is laughable at best. The only reason it was in the title was to appeal to the German people and allow for the Nazi party to establish itself.
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    I have never met a single person who laughs and enjoys the idea of aborted fetuses. I have met women who had abortions and had feelings of regret that they did not expect though. I think that your portrayal of people who support abortion rights is a deliberate distortion based on your own fantasies and is an attempt to demonize people that you disagree with.
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    @Fishbone345 don't try to appeal to these people with facts, they'll never understand. One idiot actually said I was an anti-gun union member because I said it was disrespectful to the dead to jump on a soapbox before they were buried just to spout his nonesense.
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    Please read Morgan Freeman's (i think that is who it was) response to this tragedy (Google it). He hit the nail on the head.
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    You know, I had a conversation with an RN friend that I work with and he said the same thing. When I asked what he meant, he went on to say that these people that do this sort of thing do it for attention. They desire to "Go down in history" so to speak. And the media just plays along like a perfectly tuned instrument.
    It was something I had definitely NOT thought of before he talked to me, and it sure opened my eyes to something that seems pretty logical and well thought out.
    I mean look at James Holmes. He's become somewhat immortalized, thanks to the Media coverage. His final insult to the people he victimized is having his name go down in history.
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    So... The idea is we continue to cut teacher salaries and education budgets but require them to carry weapons... bake sales for bullets to follow?
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    I'll donate weapons and ammo if schools allow it. I believe you'd see many groups of people lining up to help. I seldom vote for tax increases but have for teachers and fire/rescue people. I can think of a group in Colorado that would be more than willing to help teachers and provide training to them. But laws would need to be changed first. These gun free zones are getting people killed. The criminals know this. Law abiding people, by definition, are dying because of these laws. People are helpless in these situations.
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    @Medicinebow Then I suggest you support more money for the schools to hire off duty SWAT members. We don't need a bunch of senior citizen wanna be Wyatt Earps waddling around the schools packing heat.
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    @jessejaymes I guess its important for you to stereotype to support that proposal. Waddling old people? Who would they be? So you are convinced only SWAT team folks could adequately respond to a situation? I certainly wouldn't have any objection to such a proposal but it seems rather limited. You can't have a swat member in every classroom. Seconds count in situations like this. Some schools are quite large. The teachers are right there and if something happens theres another teacher nearby. Since you insist of stereotyping i'll let you know you could be very wrong. My son's assigned police officer is an older gentleman...much older than many of the faculty. Is this the waddler you are talking about? I've offered a suggestion on ways to help and would be willing to assist with equipment, money and time. Its a shame you can't offer anything but stereotypes.
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    @Medicinebow 1.) I am a senior citizen. 2.) I have a CCL. 3.) I have seen and heard numerous old fat bellied, racist trash, talking right wingers bragging about what they would like to do if some "black thug" gave them any Chit. What is going to happen in small town American schools is these crackers are going to volunteer and two things transpire. A.) They get in a trigger happy shootout with someone they perceive as a threat and the body count goes up due to the "Wyatt Earp" killing even more kids. or B.) some thugs distract him in the hall while others walk up behind him, pin his arms and take his gun.

    As a senior citizen I am competent to protect myself and my family within the confines of our home or in a family vehicle. But my reflexes, my eyesight, my hearing are not what they once were and I certainly would not want people thinking me being armed in a school would make their kids safe. Your plan is BS partner.
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    Behavioral and Mental stability isn't something that can be controlled until the US admits its a reality and starts putting money into its study, analysis and treatment. Most of the shootings within the last few years, weren't red flags so Criminal Background checks served no purpose whatsoever. The ones that might have sent red flags attained their guns another way. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris bought them from a man who thought it was a good idea to sell them to unstable minors (I sincerely hope that rocket scientist burns in hell).
    I think family and friends need to do a better job of recognizing severe depression or other psychological issues and not feeling out of place to speak up and say something. How many lives could have been saved if one person had said something and made sure that these people saw someone about their issues?
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    I have to agree. Unfortunately, so often a parents' and spouses hands are tied. Even more so in the case of partners, friends, teachers. Several years ago, laws were put into place to assure that people weren't simply locked up and the key thrown away because someone thought they were "mental." But these laws have become so restrictive that virtually nothing can legally be done until AFTER an event. And far too often, then it's too late. I have heard interviews with grieving parents of some of these perpetrators who had tried to get mental help for their children, only to be told there was nothing that they could legally do.
    Not far from where I live is the Oregon State Hospital for the criminally insane. It is more or less a prison. People sentenced there AFTER having committed a violent, heinous crime. It's been said, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure," and the prevention is what we need to focus on.
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    I agree. It's never the ones you suspect that one day snap and do these horrible things. And like you said if the families and friends of these kids saw 'odd' behavioral patterns that only they could see stopped and just asked how they were doing and if they were ok a lot of these tragedies would never happen. In the columbine shooting one of the shooters let on of his classmates excape cuz the kid was nice to him. If we were a little kinder and not so freaking scared of people we didn't know we would start heading down the path of world peace. I understand that it ls an almost unreachable goal but its something to work for.
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    As opposed I am to police officers overstepping their duty, our public safety officer at our highschool would've taken a bullet for anyone of us. One of the nicest and coolest type of person I ever met.( I would leave my AP physics class go into his office and watch the news and drink mountain dews...lol then he would right me a pass. He also held a can of dip for me when the police came too. We were tight.) I believe if a school doesn't have a public safety officer than an administrator should be required to have a CCP and take a class for carry a CC weapon on a school campus. If that principal of that elementary school had a concealed pistol she possibly could've have saved many lives.

    What's your opinion on admins have a CCWP on school campus?
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    @kirbstomp1 I think every legally elgible adult should have one. Not just in schools either. What if one of those six adults that were shot could have saved at least one child?!
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    Remember that bible verse, "Their feet are swift to shed blood. Misery and destruction are in their ways and the way of peace they have not known." As long as this is the problem, no matter how little guns, how too many guns. How too little gun laws or too many gun laws..., we will never solve anything. Even God knew to begin changing mankind from within, then, mankind will in turn, get rid of all wepons.
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    Look I understand background checks and hold times are important. Here's what people who want stricter laws don't understand. Who follows those laws? Safe, good, harmless citizens like you and me. If the speed limit on the road is 55 mph I can still do 90 mph the law can't stop me, only punish me after the law has already been broken. Evil people with guns will commit crimes and the police can't be everywhere all the time. So properly trained, permitted gun-carrying law abiding citizens will there to save innocent lives. Putting tighter laws only remove life saving guns from the hands of those that would save lives.
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    I agree. Police officers are required to go through psychological testing as well as strenuous training before they are allowed to carry weapons into schools.There is no reason to trust armed civilians around children who may have had no other training with firearms than the 8 hours required by this law. Pedophiles are able to avoid detection in schools until they have committed crimes against children, why should anybody who takes the time to plan a mass shooting be deterred by an 8 hour training course? The plan may result in the exact opposite of the intended result.
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    @Dan_Tien I would not send my child to a school in which any Tom, Dick and Harry teacher was carrying. What if they cracked? They are no more immune to serious psychological stress than any human being out there.
    But, a school with trained officers of the law? Hell yes. Like you said they are required testing and training. Much better solution.
    I'm shocked that I've agreed with bsking not once, but twice now in two days. lol.
    Perhaps things are changing around here.
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    I hate to admit this but I agree with you on this one.........wow God didn't strike me downwith a lightening bbolt.
    Trust me I will try not to make it a habit
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    @Fishbone345 what in the world makes you think a police officer is any less likely than a teacher to snap? Frankly I'm for either one or both being armed in schools. Certainly the teachers who opted to carry would need some guidelines and certifications of some sort, but they are just as capable.
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    I don't think students should have weapons in school, but teachers (with proper training) should be allowed to carry as long as the students do not have access to the weapons.
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    Do you have children? They will get access to anything that isn't severely locked up. This is one of the first things you learn as a parent.
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    @Fishbone345 I have a second grader and am all for it. I would feel much better. BUT my child knows what a weapon is, what it's used for, how to use it, and most importantly, how to respect it. Unfortunate,a'll children are not taught this.
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    @Fishbone345

    I do not have children, unfortunately. I have 4 godchildren and a nephew. When the children were old enough to go to a firing range, we took them. They all have superior weapon mangement skills. They all know weapons are not toys. I don't proclaim to have all the answers, but something needs to change, but what I do not know.
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    No students should not have guns, that is just plain silly. If a teacher is qualified, then let them carry. Plus, it would not hurt to educate the children on responsible gun ownership.
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  • #287
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    We definately do not need more guns in the schools! We need to have them all go through metal detectors to avoid guns in the schools. Kids today have played far too many video games where they can kill with no concequences. Parents need to be more involved and lock up their guns!
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    Well in case no one has noticed,the people doing the shooting don't abide by the law, if you are a card carrying member, I don't see why it wouldn't help, it sure couldn't be any worse!!!
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    It seems the Connecticut murderer was not able to see the 'gun-free zone' signs all around the school. I'm sure he would have aborted his mission had he seen the signs, as he was clearly a law-abiding citizen. I guess the answer is bigger signs! Yeah, that should do the trick because criminals will ALWAYS obey the law.
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    @Politicskid do you know how many times iv heard people say all theses shootings happen bc people don't have jesus....so that's why I say the bible part and I'm "stereotypeing" bc that's the truth "americains" or at least the ones in the Bible Belt think their bible and their gun hold the answers to everything and as for me being American ehhh yea I'm am born and raised defiantly not proud of it but defiantily not ashamed of it
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    @KyleMFb You're not proud to be an American? What in the world? Well, deport yourself then, you unpatriotic liberal! To Europe, to wherever, but it is disrespectful to every man a woman who has died in the creation and defense of the greatest nation on Earth not be proud to live here! I can't believe anybody would say that!
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    @Politicskid kid shut up if you even knew anything about this "greatest nation on earth" you wouldn't be so proud of it either
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    This is a tough question...but, I tend to believe that an armed teacher may have saved some lives in the latest tragedy. Any interruption in the chain of events that unfolded that day would have saved lives...and if an armed teacher could only save one life it would have been worth it.
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    I was told by a friend this would never have happened in South Africa because staff members would have been armed, after the first few shots the threat would have been removed and all those innocent children's lives saved.

    A well regulated militia composed of the people, trained on the use of arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state. Cops can't be everywhere. Even flight attendants are trained on how to fight back against a threat, why not school staff?
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    Children need a better escape plan. They would not sit in the corner or crawl in a closet if there was a fire. There should have been a door in the classroom so they could have run out of there. That would have helped more than a guard outside with a pistol to go against an assault weapon spraying 100 rounds.
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    The back door is a good idea but it would not prevent all killing. The kids have to run across the room with no cover to crowd through this door. The armed guards should have more than a pistol as your statement supports. The teachers should have guns too. They hae their huge desk to hide behind and pop up at the right time to shoot. I am 14 years old and I would really love if schools let teachers have guns.
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    Columbine, Red Lake Indian Reservation and Virginia Tech have proven armed guards do not work. There was an armed civilian when Gabby Gifford was shot that almost shot the wrong person. Hundreds of weapons available at Ft Hood also did not prevent a mass murder.

    Our guards in prison do not even have guns but the NRA wants our kids to go to school and hug teachers who have guns strapped on their sides. What about movie theaters, shopping malls, football games, churches or walking down the sidewalk? The NRA is simply another lobbyists allowed to run our political system just as Big Banks, Big Oil, Wall Street, Grover Norquist and drug manufacturers do.

    What happened to the Unions? They were card carrying members that paid dues to belong. Isn’t that what the NRA is? So why are Unions being broken but not the NRA? They are nothing but glorified lobbyists out to sell even more guns. If the NRA wants to hug the Second Amendment, then I say let’s go back to the muzzle loaders for why this Amendment was written. I get sick of people crying about their RIGHTS while they trample all over the RIGHTS of everyone else. Our smoking laws are more strict that our gun laws.

    But children need a better escape plan. They would not sit in the corner or crawl in a closet if there was a fire. There should have been a door in the classroom so they could have run out of there.
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    Here's a simple and non-controversial way to prevent violence in schools. Hire hall monitors and buy some walkie-talkies. This is how my high school worked and I think it would have prevented this kind of crime.
    There were hall monitors (school employees) posted at each entrance to the school, each equipped with a walkie-talkie. The doors were locked from entry, the only way into the school was to have a monitor open the door.
    My high school also did have 2 on-duty (armed) police officers on the premises at all times, but for the most part they stayed in their office unless called. Oh they did go outside at the beginning and end of school days to help with traffic too though.
    I wouldn't really like kids to have to go to school in a prison-like environment where is everyone is armed, it would inevitably lead to abuses. But at my high school it was done quite well. It was enough to make a person feel safe without making them feel controlled.
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