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  • #13
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    I was stalked for almost a year by someone like Adam Lanza. He was kicked out of a local mental health program for violent outbursts. He was arrested for confronting me at my job after a deputy told him to leave me alone. He wanted the restraining order I had on him lifted so he took me to court, but the judge refused and added more restrictions to it. After conferring with this man and his family, the judge warned me about him. He pleaded guilty to the stalking charge mostly because he was caught on camera every time. Probation, no contact order, mandatory mental health attendance. His probation officer called me and in a round-about way also warned me about him. His probation ends this June. I expect to have a handgun of my own by that time.
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    Best plan I heard. The system is a complete failure! It protects the criminal more than the victim. And they want to control guns. LIBERALS, control your criminals first, then get back to me (and this young lady being stalked)
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    Don't wait. Get one now (like your little avatar pic, "Santa please :). Go to a shooting range and get lots of target practice. Learn how your gun works, clean it regularly, learn about the different types of bullets available in that caliber (whatever it is), and target practice some more. Just having one isn't going to be of much use.
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    @Denizen_Kate In order to get the type of handgun I want, I need a license which I can obtain through the same sheriff's department that helped me through the months after I started filing police reports with them. I need a CPL (concealed pistol license), a CWP (concealed weapons permit), classes, time at the shooting range as well. I'm used to rifles and 12 gauges, not handguns! But I'm quite familiar with guns anyway, I've been around them all my life, and that alone makes me respect the power a single bullet can have.
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    @stepped_in_it Unfortunately I have to save up the cash for the gun, they're not cheap, but I don't look at it as a frivolous expense, more as an investment. Santa.......are you listening??? While I have the long barrels stacked in the corner in my house, I'm not sure they would bode well laying across the seat of a shopping cart while I'm looking for peanut butter ;o)
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    A shame the money for mental health services isn't there any longer. Could some opponent of "socialized medicine" explain to me again how universal health care is too expensive?
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    No offense there (and I really like reading your "stuff") BUT (isn't there always a but) how is the mental health services under Canada's "socialized medicine". Now, you brought up this subject, so I wondered if there was a great waiting period for Canada. I'd ask Neo (LOL), but since he hasn't moved there (yet), I thought I'd ask you.
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    @stepped_in_it My wife has been a mental health administrator for the past couple of decades. She's seen funding for care of the chronically mentally ill shrink dramatically over that time, and the services provided, of course, are reduced as well. That's the largest reason so many homeless people are also mentally ill - there aren't services to keep them on their meds and stable enough to function.(It's also a hugely important factor on the fact that half of people killed by law enforcement every year are mentally ill.)

    Twenty years ago there were far more inpatient beds and staff. A schizophrenic who was decompensating could easily be admitted for a short stay to adjust medications and receive therapy. Today, they have to be judged a danger to themselves or others - and then be involuntarily committed. And that's for adults with known diagnoses.

    From what I know about this sad boy, he never made it into the system, never received even the minimum. A few thousand dollars may have been saved in the short term, but not enough to pay for 20 childrens' coffins.
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    @DARSB Agreed and your right. Just wondered if Obamacare (socialized meds) would be able to take care of it. And being that Canada has this care (and had it for years), I wondered if they had "lines waiting" for this care. I've heard that their care (Canada's) had "waiting lines" for other extensive care....ie cancer, rare diseases...etc
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    @stepped_in_it I'm not expert on Canadian healthcare, but I do know Canadians express greater satisfaction with their care than the typical American.
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    @PNWest who's to say she tried? A good gun safe can be had for relatively little cash and he wouldn't get in it without the combination.
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    @Capt_Morgan02 I don't know if she had them locked up or not. Either way I thought you gun lovers were dead set against being required to have the guns locked up - you know so that when the terrorists invade your home you'll be ready and not have to unlock the safe to protect yourself. By the way, how often do you think that someone successfully defends themselves with a gun as opposed to having someone accidentally (or purposely in this case) shot with a legal firearm?
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    @PNWest Oh oh oh....let me answer this one. I personally keep a gun in each room and one on each hip! I dedicate one bedroom just for ammo as it was clogging up my kitchen (where I cook my meth). I also keep RPG's in the garage, as cooking meth and RPG's don't mix. What really bugs me is they (the man) wouldn;t let me buy that Sherman tank to rebuild!
    Now, don't you feel better after hearing all that!(tongue being removed from cheek)!
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    Therapy. Good therapy.

    That's what's needed by most. I know, I've been there. My parents were in this same place, scared of me, deeply concerned with my infatuation with the Columbine shooters and knew I was unpredictable at best with potentially violent outbursts. They tried what they could, with local therapists, but avoided medication.

    Nothing worked, though most of the therapists I saw were terrible (burnt out, apathetic beneath the "professional concern") so they took a drastic step and sent me to wilderness and boarding schools. It worked, brilliantly, but the same issue of local therapists came up through the programs.

    Through those programs, 1 out of the 8 therapists, and maybe 3 of the 60 or so support staff, I encountered seemed to truly care, did all he could to help (at a distance, not carry my emotional distress on his shoulders) and it worked.

    Unfortunately, I was in a position where my claims of the programs not doing too much, when they really didn't, weren't heard by my parents (it's understandable after the years of lies and manipulation I put them through) so there was a lot of wasted time between the instances when it did actually work. It wasn't a huge issue to me, being in the program, but it put strain on my parents financially as these programs are ridiculously expensive. Luckily my mom had sold her house right before the market went to hell, otherwise she'd be in serious debt like my dad is because of it.

    The sad truth, from my experience, is that the people who want to listen just don't know how (the parents) and the people who know how to listen just don't care. These programs took 2 years of my teenage years, I missed out on a lot and lost many friends, but it probably saved my life and possibly the lives of others (I'm not violent by nature and abhor the hurting of others, but I was in a bad place and regret falling into that hole).
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    The availability to good mental health in this country and the ability to have a loved one institutionalized is pathetic. Is it any damn wonder we're such a violent hellhole? We'll spend billions and billions of dollars on everything except our own people. Maybe if we weren't so selfish and self-centered we would all live in a less frightening environment because those who need help would get it, and not just a bottle of pills or a couple visits with a shrink depending on how much insurance will pay.
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    That's right. It certainly makes far more sense to fill your house with guns when you know you have a "problem" child like Adam Lanza. We all see how well that worked out now didn't we?
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    @PNWest taking everyone else's guns isn't even a logical approach to solving the problem. Get help for the families and the mentally ill person. It is okay to blame the responsible, you know.
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    Wonder if there was any of that great public assistance involved and how well they paid attention to the needs of this family?
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    Yea the psychos will just use a bat, a hammer, an axe, a knife, or a crossbow. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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    @Capt_Morgan02 Straw man argument. Who said anything about "taking everyone else's guns"? Getting help for the families and the mentally ill person is a good idea. Seems to me that Obamacare is a step in the right direction in that regard.
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    She should listen to the advice about pressing charges on the boy. Regardless of what should, could, or would be in a different world, this is her option now to do something before it turns ugly. She can do it now or wait around until he does something that will land him in prison for life or on death row. Only her or the courts can get this child committed into a mental health facility which is where he needs to be for her, her children's and other sakes. If she waits any longer it will only get worse as he grows and gains muscle mass and is fulled by higher levels of testosterone. You can talk all you want about mental health and cost of treatment but until he is hospitalized and diagnosed it's a crap shoot. What if he's not mentally ill? What if he has a medical condition that is causing this behavior as it was never stated in the article that he has had a full medical workup to see if anything is wrong. Tumors in certain areas of the brain, certain types of seizures and chemical imbalances can all cause the same symptoms as mental illness. If she would get him in the court system as a juvenile she could request a guardian ad litum for him if one not appointed and work with them to see he gets assessed. I would hate to hear that she did not listen to the advice and something happens only to hear......I told you he would do this.
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    My son is on the autism spectrum, and I am concerned with my sons as well as others safety when he is having a bad day. And although he has a big heart and cries when he sees others hurt.. He also likes shooting games(typically ones that involve shooting zombies or aliens), therefore, I would never allow a gun in my home, especially one he'd have access to unless I was completely certain he understood what a firearm is for and what it's not for. I always have to try and think of all possible outcomes and consequences choices I make with him in my care can produce. I would never want my son to hurt others or himself, and it scares the hell out of me that him being 7 yrs old, that could have been my son in that school. My heart goes out to those families :-( I'm so so sorry
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    It is very hard for the parents and families of the mentally ill. They often are guilt ridden, even if their child has not committed a crime. Just today, I got a call from a guy who is schizophrenic and stabbed himself in the stomach six times resulting in 60 stitches and a possible severed liver. His liver wasn't severed and he is now in a
    locked unit in a nursing facility. His psychosis is obvious in his rapid speech and disoriented conversation. He is
    brilliant, can speak French, and Italian...His mom is a doctor who is now elderly, his father passed away last year,
    he was a defense Lawyer. He has a brother in D.C. and his patience is exhausted. Mental illness is tragic for
    everyone it touches. I can not take guardianship of him, as he needs a staff. He's manipulative, non med compliant, and loves to walk at night. I've known him for years, as I was one of his staff. His mother is broken,
    both physically and emotionally, and as much as I'd like to ease her burden, he needs to be in a locked facility.
    Psychotics have no insight, they rarely will seek help. A person who is acting peculiar needs help now, even
    if he needs to go to an emergency room and then be probated by a judge to be placed in a facility. We have
    ignored the mentally ill for years, and they are proving they will not be ignored any longer. What a sad price to
    pay for allowing them total freedom, in a world they can neither understand or make sense of, any more than we can make sense of these most horrific acts...
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    Mother is absolutely right, there is a mental illness problem, not a gun problem.

    But if she had no fear of repercussion from him for her securing the knives why didn't she secure the guns? Leaving guns accessible to someone living with her she knows to be very unstable makes her responsible for death and injury at that school.

    Yes we need to turn the spotlight on mental illness but we also need to exercise more responsible gun ownership and this mother did not.
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    I'd say make sure they don't have access to weapons, and be wary of psychoactive drugs. Make your own informed decision after learning about the potential effects of these drugs.
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    One more thing might be to get the kid as active as humanly possible. Idle hands may very be more likely to do the devil's work in these cases.
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    I'm glad somebody else is talking about these drugs! I think they are a major cause of these rampage killings. Normal childhood restlessness is diagnosed as "ADHD", and kids are given dangerous mood/mind altering drugs as their brains are developing. Bet the studies used to approve these drugs were very short term, and didn't include children. I'd take my kid off of any psychoactive drugs, and get them some real help, if they need it. If they just have trouble sitting still for 6 hours, that's not a medical condition, that's normal.
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    This subject is really the elephant in the room everyone ignores. These psychoactive medicines are a pandora's box, no one can say for sure how they are going to react with each person's body chemistry. As someone who took an antidepressant for a few of my teenage years, I have NO DOUBT that these drugs can cause erratic and abnormal behaviours and thoughts in the patients who take them.
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    They should have them institutionalized and the state or government one needs to have funds to help pay for the institutionalization. I believe there is a FINS ( Family In Need of Services) petition that can be brought before a judge in cases like this.
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    Whatever they can to get them the help they need and put the needs of the many first. Sure that's a canned answer, but every situation is different, and really, who gets to determine if someone's child is "dangerous"? As long as we're ambiguous about what constitutes a "danger", we have no reference to determine what to do with "dangerous" people.
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    If the latest thread to the story is to be believed, Mrs. Lanza was considering having her son undergo psychiatric testing to determine if he needed to be hospitalized- and that Adam knew this and that this is what set him off. This leaves me with two questions: shouldn't she have been more circumspect about her plans?; and this may explain why he killed her- but why massacre the children?
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