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    We need better security in schools, we have armed guards at the mall but not at schools? This could be done with volunteers from the community. Gun control won't solve anything. We must teach people that violence is not always the answer. Our culture worships violence.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix No one's kicked anyone's imaginary friends out of anything (unless you mean going back to mandatory prayer, which is a Constitutional no-no). If imaginary friends are powerless to push their way into ANY situation, they hardly deserve the title of "deity", now, do they?
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix Which god? I vote for Priapus!!!(But not until college). For the little kiddies we could have either Thor or Poseidon, and for the budding pre-teen girls there's always Aphrodite.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix I have disagree with your last point. Although I am absolutely sure we believe in the same God, I could not support the indoctrination that most religions employee to gain followers being allowed in schools. Religions have always used guilt, or fear, or promoting unity by disparaging non-believers to increase their numbers and maintain control. No mainstream church today in my opinion follows the teachings of Christ. There are also many other religions and I feel that are legitimate paths to the creator just as much as Christianity. I don't think God makes a distinction based on what we call him/her or think he/she/it is. I believe we are judged by works and not grace. How we treat others, all of creation really is more important than anything else.
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    Sorry folks, if a psychopath is set on killing, they're going to find a way to do it. These "gun laws" being proposed are nothing more than emotional reactions to a tragic incident. We've tried "bans" in the past, does prohibition ring a bell? How'd that work out? If you really want to try and make an impact, make sure that those who commit crimes using guns are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Focus in the criminal, not the firearm.
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    Here here. Gun just a tool. Focus on the criminal. Thanks to the liberals and democrats glorifying the criminal element, lifestyle and taking God out of everything, people respect life and death less.
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    @stepped_in_it LOL..... I get on Mary's case about polls plenty of times.... It's difficult to make on that covers all possible viewpoints and I think her leaning is different enough from mine that the question she forgets is the one I would choose.

    I just figured to be fair and let he know when she got it right...... that and a bit of Brown nosing never hurts....
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    I think that is important not to rush into new legislation because of gut reactions to recent shootings. The Patriot Act was thrown together and passed amid national panic. Is everyone happy with it?
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    Should I point out that the Columbine High School massacre was perpetrated with weapons that were banned at the time by the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act?
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    Rep. Louie Gohmert's ideas are exotic: one day teachers are union thugs, the next they're supposed to be heavily armed. Sheesh.
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    The trend in America is paying less and less to Teachers. As a result most the bible belt is paying teachers less than the national average for a worker. Many of these teacher are not credentialed. Most the right wing complains constantly about the lack of responsibility and achievement among teachers. And now you want to arm them? They're not good enough to teach your children (that's why you want vouchers right?) but they are good enough to get into firefights with heavily armed killers in body armor? You people are nuts.
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    Gohmert also stated that there was a need to possess assault rifles to,"insure against the tierney of the government".
    If he can make a case for a civilian to possess a military weapon,could he also make a case to possess other military weapons...ie; an M60A2 with LIVE SABOT rounds,an RPG, a LIVE IED or claymore mine???
    What about LIVE grenades???
    I wonder if gohmert thinks these are acceptable possessions under the 2nd amendment???
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    @jessejaymes I approve of the vouchers actually. If we allow the Government to own the monopoly on education, they will continue to mis-manage and regulate it into failure. Everyone knows that private schools provide the best overall education, but who can afford it? As far as arming teachers they would need to be well trained and proficient, and I think that one difficult career is enough. BTW private teachers make more money than public because the free market and competition along with their competence set their wages.
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    @Patriot-Pirate b You can say what you like. This is America and we still have a tiny bit of free speech left. But my free speech says that vouchers are an end run around segregation and a clear indication of the racism that remains in America. And I am a white senior citizen.
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    Any intelligent person knows that guns are not the problem. A truckload of fertilizer and some box cutters accomplished Oklahoma City and 9/11. Could someone with a gun have prevented this tragedy? I don't know but I've read numerous reports of police firing off many rounds without hitting their target and without their target hitting them. For the record I am a combat veteran and was one of the top shooters in the Marines back in 1971. Unless you live in a war zone on a daily basis you don't have the mentality to react to this situation that comes up out of the blue. The police are not much better off because they are not in a war zone every day either. He could have been taken out with a rifle but there was no time. He could have been taken out with a handgun but he was ready to kill and the handgun owner would not have been. You have to ask what has changed in society during the last 50 years or so to give people this mindset. What are they reacting to? Click on debates or issues. Jobs, economy, other people's rights, religion, money, road rage, government, war, letting criminals go free? I have problems with this bandaid gun control answer whenever people want to put the blame on something without looking for the real problem. So what happens when you pass more gun laws? The psychos are still out there, you are ignoring them while they scour the Internet learning how to make improvised explosive devices. Your flawed logic will divert resources away from the real problem and allow it to happen again. Next time it may be YOUR kid on the school bus that explodes. That's right, no guns this time but the end result is the same, isn't it?
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    Allowing teachers to conceal carry a gun with special training seems like a great idea to me (I trust teachers to use their best judgement regarding this). The only other regulation that would have helped would be a requirement to securely store weapons when not in use (other than the loaded pistol under your pillow). The 10 cartridge limit seems arbitrary and only useful for erroding our right to protect ourselves.
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    Most teachers are women. Good luck with arming and training these women. Many are in their very early 20's and many are approaching retirement. How about locking down the school with only one entrance accessible from the outside and putting two armed combat trained guards outside that entrance. Wouldn't it make sense for them to confront someone in body armor and armed to the teeth OUTSIDE the school?
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    @jessejaymes
    -- Statistics show if I've heard correctly that a woman with CCW save four times as many lives as a man. Since this creates the impression among rogue predators that there is an uncertain danger targeting the fair sex. Most of the lives saved are things that happen less in those areas.

    --I'm 6 foot over 200 lb look like a grizzled old wolf, I don't carry to protect me, I carry to protect my family, my community, my neighbors (ie those around me), and even those rogue predators who might not take me at face value. But just because I look the way I do I'm less likely to be targeted. Except by other leashed predators.:-)

    --No person should ever be forced to carry.
    -If they have shown no sign they can't cope they should be able to keep.
    -They should be able to bear; hunting defence, sport, theater, re-creation, etc.; based on "Local" safety regulations and training requirements.
    -Carry concealed; subject to direct criminal record, and HIPA waived mental health history.
    -Posse 'Comitas'; during disaster under direct civil control. See CERT fire arms training.
    --- etc.
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    @Drake_Burrwood Well none of that changes my belief that there are an awful lot of senior males out there with beer bellies and an attitude that should not be carrying in public. I don't need your help, my family doesn't need your help and I don't us to be caught in your cross fire playing Wyatt Earp. I own guns, I am responsible to those guns and I will defend my family. Beyond that we don't need cowboys making the decision for me and my family and I won't for you and yours.
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    @jessejaymes
    The problem is a uniform makes you a target. It isn't I wouldn't do it but the chances are good unless real restructuring was done we would both be killed. If we were lucky we might kill or injure (slow down) the "Active shooter" after our mortal injuries. Even more important this would trigger the Lock-down AND Withdrawal of the facility occupants. See; Active Shooter: FEMA independent studies program.
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    @Drake_Burrwood there is no point in this debate. You're not budging in your belief that old men with limited reflexes, poor sight, poor hearing and a lifetime of institutionalized biases are not prone to making bad decisions with a gun. I say they are. I am old. I know better and I sincerely hope the day never comes when my families lives depend on me or someone my age. I will do my best but unlike most of the senior redneck right wing cowboys out there I understand my limitations.
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    Which law should be passed to prevent another Newtown massacre?

    Bring "God" back to our children, and Ban violent video games and social media
    allow children to play, and stop the lefts attack on moral values and liberal indoctrination.
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    But... Jesus was an anti-corporate liberal troublemaker who advocated the redistribution of wealth. So I guess whatever god we invite back into the classroom can't be related to that commie socialist Jesus guy!!!!
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    Gun violence a problem? Put more guns on the street? Seriously?
    If you people had this much control everywhere else we would have to drink a fifth of jack before driving and give terrorists free plane tickets.
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    Wow you said it there! I cant imagine half the teachers at my kids school having a loaded gun! Craziest idea I have yet heard!
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    Make guns more available to law-abiding sound minded people, including teachers.

    Allow licensed carry in more places, and the biggest solution is to get behind Obamacare as a mechanism to address mental health in this country so that scenes like Newtown, Columbine, and others don't happen.

    The tree shooter was known and confirmed to be mentally unstable but yet his mother did not make guns inaccessible to him in the house where they both lived.

    She knew what he was capable of because she gathered up all the knives and sharp instruments and ferretted them away in a Tupperware container to keep him frrom having access to them. She even instructed the other children to take refuge in a locked vehicle to avoid harm from her sick son. So she knew, but did nothing to keep guns away from him.

    Obamacare is the solution. Education and treatment. Nip it in the bud, a mental health epidemic that is getting out of hand.
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    I like someone to ask Obama what was the difference between the Muslim who killed American soldiers at Fort Hood Texas and any other mass shooting? because we certainly didn't hear any gun control talk after that massacre .
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    For starters, the Muslim who opened fire at Ft. Hood was an active duty Army officer. I'm not sure that could have been prevented, short of disarming the U.S. military. Your solution?
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    @bsking He was the only one at Ft. Hood who was armed? A weapons ban on a U.S. military base, now that's taking gun control a little too far.
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    @RoyFloyd yeah bigtime. my point is no 1 had a word to say about gun control then...not the president...congress or the state run media.
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    I with the thinking that if the principal at Sandy Hook school had access to a gun Adam Lanza would be swimming with the fishes right now, and many if not all of those poor beautiful babies would still be alive.

    Gun free zones don't work. I hear you liberals, I hear your criticisms. Let me explain why. Law abiding people are the only ones who follow the law. It is the criminals who violate the law. That's why they are called criminals. They won't abide by a gun free zone, they don't abide by the law. So basically liberals, you'd end up disarming the good people while the bad people are still armed. I say we definitely need to end all gun free zones, and good citizens should be allowed to carry a weapon wherever they need protection, NO IF, AND, or BUT.

    Oh, btw, it would also help if America got back to a society whose values centered around family instead of material possessions and special rights.
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    Oh, btw, it would also help if America got back to a society whose values center around family instead of material possessions and special rights.

    Your last paragraph actually contradicts everything you said up to that point. You say that the right to have a weapon is more important than the rights of thousands of families that are torn apart due to gun violence every year. You say that your semi automatic rifle with a thirty round clip is more important than the life of a six year old child.
    Your material possessions, guns, and your rights to own said guns, are more important than the lives of the children who will be killed today, next week, next month, etc.
    Don't you see the contradiction?
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    @mtkopf - You're right. So if we ban all guns today, will we have no more gun related violence in this country? Please tell that would be true.
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    @mtkopf

    You can go to YouTube and get step by step instructions on how to build your own gun and ammo. Of course most law abiding, tax paying citizens neither have the desire or time.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix do you realize that there are more regulations regarding the transfer of a car than there are for the transfer of firearms?
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    @hwyangel and neither do the criminals. They just pay someone to go to agun show and buy forty wweapons for them.
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  • #198
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    Encourage honest, law-abiding people to conceal arm, so the idiots wouldn't know when they might meet opposition. Where am approach like this has been instituted, crime has dramatically decreased!
  • #195
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    As a former service member and life long gun owner I was raised, when it came to firearms and hunting, by a responsible father who took the time, effort and money to teach me the proper ways of handling firearms. These days, I don't get to shoot as much as I used to, but I do have a small collection of mostly bolt action rifles, however I do own 2 semi-automatic rifles as well. While I cannot ever see myself endorsing any sort of firearm restrictions, I wouldn't necessarily have an issue with the making it illegal to purchase high capacity magazines of 40-50 or more. Certainly 100round mags are not needed. However, that's where I draw the line for a number of reasons. Since 1980, kids, teens and young adults have had a scourge of relative issues that, more or less, suddenly spiked. Including;
    a) Teens and drunk driving
    b) Drug use
    c) Teen pregnancy
    All three of these had extremely high rates among kids but they all also share one other important aspect in common with each other that is never discussed when the firearms issue is raised. There is also a sad and almost twisted irony to this common denominator because the very same thing that played the largest role in all 3 of the examples listed above declining, is in large part because of the same institution that has become a target.
    Schools.
    Schools and learning institutions basically mobilized their efforts with that of the government and saw drastic reductions in all three problems. None more so than teen pregnancy which to this day is STILL declining. So, my question that begs to be asked is, if we can teach kids about subjects that are more harmful and kill more people a year such as drunk driving and drugs, why is the discussion of firearm safety taboo?
    Sure, many say that other modern nations laugh at our right to own firearms. But as Americans, we are known even more for looking for the quickest fix. We're too busy taking the kids to soccer or going to the shore for an extended weekend that we don't want to take the time to break down and analyze what options could truly work. Instead, "Ehh, just ban guns."
    Some call Jefferson a hypocrite for his stance on a number of issues but I don't see it when it comes to the 2 Amendment.
    Jefferson
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
    -- Thomas
    Jefferson
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time"
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    Let's see:!) ban mags with 11 bullets. Solution: carry more mags.2) arm teachers, no solution as most people donot have the right mind to hit their target under these circumtances, 3) volunteers at school entrance? Solution- shoot from outside into the windows, You see there is nothing good from these suggestions, except banning assult weapons. I am a hunter and have never found a hunting season that allows AK-15's or other type of weapon like these. THE only solution to the "problem" is to change the hearts of our citizens. Bring prayer back into school since Thomas Jefferson allowed it when President. If you are Buddist, Muslem, Christian, Jewish, Athetist, or whatever, go to your seperate area and say your faiths prayers. Athetist can do whatever they do during that time. Simple, duh! Congress shall not impede religion , the Courts should not even vote on it, as they have rightly so.
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    Knowing full well that the Constitution forbids ANY and ALL laws regarding the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, no new laws can be made and all laws now on the books are invalid and MUST, by Constitutional law, be repealed, and...all government officials from the president down to the local sheriff MUST be arrested and tried for treason and felony abuse of the Constitution. Case closed.
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    It is our lack of responsible treatment for the mentally ill, and our society that celebrates and promotes violence that is at the core of this particular tragedy. IMHO, that is. The firearms are never to blame--they do not fire themselves. Actually more people are hurt with baseball bats than with guns! Entirely more people die from "medicine" than from gunshots!(FBI stats) Automobiles are pretty deadly weapons as well-- and how many use THEM with AND without license? A most deadly mix is sold side by side in almost every city, town and village across the country-- alcohol and gasoline! To disarm the citizenry is to step DIRECTLY onto the path to socialism and communism and dare I say fascism...AND to thumb noses at The Constitution of The United Sates of America!!
  • #189
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    Allow training for volunteer teachers and arm them. "gun free" schools is an invitation to "come on in and kill kids and teachers till the cops get here"!
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