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    I have previously posted my hope that the NRA would step up to a leading role in the national discussion about guns. I also worried that a poor word choice could upset that opportunity.

    I had no expectation Wayne LaPierre would deliver a full half hour of stone crazy.
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    "School districts had total expenditures of approximately $610.1 billion in 2008–09, including about $519.0 billion in current expenditures for public elementary and secondary education."

    So, all that needs to be done is to take $5.4 billion or so out of the budget for education and spend it on armed guards, improving the chances that kids will survive the school day while learning less in an already less than adequate educational system.
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    Yeah and really, doesn't it seem like a good idea to have some kind of law enforcement or security at a school anyways? I'm not even talking armed mass-shooters, but just in general.
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    @norezen Some schools already do have armed guards. Two of my nephews attended a high school with a full-time police presence due to security concerns. Ideally, all schools would have dependable security, but I will quote William F. Buckley, Jr. for the second time today in regards to that: "Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive."
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    @Dan_Tien Yep. The high school I went to had police on premises at all times. That was 2-3 police for 1800 students so if the total school population falls under that ratio, maybe the cost would be prohibitive. Not a problem impossible to solve though. We could easily take some money away from war on drugs to pay for it.
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    @norezen There you go. Provide armed police guards at schools by making marijuana legal, letting people convicted of crimes involving marijuana out of jail and use the savings to prevent shootings. Any chance you are going to run for Congress? I think they could use you.
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    has it been tried? we all have seen the foolish idea of words and signs. if cost is a problem then all in office need no security if our kids don't. kind of shows where those who are against this idea has their priorities.
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    maybe one day we can get our society back to where our politicians do not need armed security. Adding more guns to the problem is not the answer.
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    @tomincali

    It has in other countries. Sad you think the US is so unable to do what others can...I have faith that the US can do anything we really want to.
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    @DARSB There wasa guy with a CCW near the Gabby Giffords shooting, he actually helped tackle the shooter to the ground. The shooting was done before he could do anything with his weapon...
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    it's amazing to see these idiots on the left blame the NRA. foolish morons like this Code Pink woman claiming the nra has blood on it hands? it's beyond stupidity, its moronic.
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    I would gladly trade the laundry list of pork examples like $57,000 spent by the Executive Branch for gold-embossed playing cards on Air Force Two, or $1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the woodchuck, for an armed professional at every school. The money is there - it is a matter of whether or not it gets turned into a priority by the states or government.
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    It all comes down to a matter of priority. The astronomical waste of money by the government on do nothing projects such as the study you refer to about the woodchucks is the reason we are in crisis with our national debt. A common sense approach to the spending of the tax dollar could easily allow for funding to protect our children. Unfortunately common sense and government have nothing in common.
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    I'd rather see my taxes go to woodchucks abd playing cards, then to have our schools turned into institutions where children grow up learning it is normal to walk through checkpoints with armed guards and take it for granted that is somehow ok. Think about if that is really the type of society we want to create. Ben Franklin said it best, those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.
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    @PoliticalSpice I'm not disagreeing with you here because I see a flaw in both sides of the issue. I believe that even if you outlaw guns that you will still need the armed guards. Making something illegal doesn't make it disappear. Our society is broken and I don't think that the issue will go away if you ban guns or arm the entire population.
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    @drow13f not sure where the ntion to outlae guns comes from, i don't see anyone on this thread talking about that other then in your post, so if you might explain what your getting at...
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    @PoliticalSpice sorry my mistake, so instead of the word outlaw use the word restrict and it should be almost the same argument.
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    Ban the guns! Right. You're an idiot of you think the number of semi auto's or large capacity magazines disappeared the last time they were banned. It costs to much to place someone armed in our schools! Really? What's the price tag on your child, sister, brother, niece, nephew etc.? You're saying let them die because it costs to much to keep them safe? Teach kids guns aren't the only answer? I kind of agree. There does come a time on occasion for a few however a gun is the only answer. How about we teach parents if their kid has a mental problem it isn't something that's going to go away with a Bayer aspirin nor is it something to be ashamed of. Get some help and get educated on the problem. If there is a propensity for violence, for cripes sake make sure the kid is monitored 24-7 by someone responsible and keep your guns safely secured. A decent trigger lock darn nears takes a light saber to get around and they're cheap and render the firearm to being nothing more than a club. The problem may have had extreme results, but the fix doesn't have to be extreme.
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    The fact that cost is the issue is BS if it cost too much to protect children then I say ALL politicians should surrender ALL of their security including private planes. They can put up some signs to protect them.
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    I live in DC and there are police officers at every corner around the capitol, white house, supreme court building, senate and house offices, etc. Plus when I go to the library of congress, there are a handful of police at every entrance and exit. Same at city hall.
    So yeah, when it comes to their own protection, lawmakers spare no expense and guess who they hire? ARMED police. Heavily armed police. They don't pretend that simply passing some gun control regulations is going to make them safe enough to forgo that level of security.
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    It's not going to work most schools already have either one or two maybe even multiple armed officers that are there all day everyday school shootings are going to keep happing until something is done about guns no body needs assault weapons for self or home defense so everyone needs to shut up and suck it up and deal with a real assault weapons ban or keep watching theses "tragic" school shootings honestly I don't care either way I'm sick and tired of hearing about it....
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    Connecticut already has a assault weapons ban, didn't seem to help.
    Colleges, high schools and middle schools have armed LEO's, not elementary schools. We leave our most precious resource totally unprotected 6-7 hours a day, 180 days a year, then act like we shouldn't have thought it was just a matter of time before sick-o's start picking on them.
    I do agree that even with armed officers on school property, still some may have died, but maybe not as many, maybe none, maybe the bad guy wouldn't even attempt it.
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    @Thegrif Yeah when did the guy kill himself? When the police showed up. What if they were already there?
    And its easy to say "no one needs x weapon for x defense," until someone gets harmed in their home or walking down the street because of a CCW ban.
    I am actually happy there is an NRA, but I think LaPierre did the NRA a disservice in his statement. He simply should have said something to the tune of in the conversation about regulating specific firearms, SOMEONE has to represent the constitutional rights of millions of gun owners that legitimately and safely own firearms.
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    I think it could work, but some engineering would be needed to handle the logistics. I think a better interim option would be to keep cops onsite and trains a group of teachers in the use of guns to stop psychos.
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    Our school district has many city police officers on our. Campus. Our school pays for these officers though our high mil rates on our property and personal property taxes. It has seemed to work quite well!
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    Communities that can afford to have police officers in the schools, should. They should be police officers, not security guards. Police can treat problems as crimes when appropriate. Kids need to learn how the system works and that there are consequences for your actions. The officers can deal with substance abuse problems as well. There is no way to prevent this sort of thing from happening again, it will, but we can use every reasonable measure the community can afford to keep loved ones safe
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    @Belin I think it is a great idea. Two police cars parken in front of the building. Officers in bullet proof vests in the school. Too bad not everyone can afford this. Would it have prevented the recent shootings, don't know
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    @UnCommonBoston
    2 cars? Try 12. All of our school district is on one very large campus. Building a new high school as we speak. That way the junior high can use their existing building plus the high school. They have already been connected. We also have a very large separate fine arts building. You should see the auditorium, it's beautiful and huge. We also have an inside sports complex building. I haven't been in that new building yet. My daughter is seven. Her elementary building holds age3 pre-school through 2nd grade. Her last year in that building(that is very large also different very long hallways for each grade called pods. They have their own gymnasium in that building.). Then you have the intermediate school 3rd through 6th that encompasses 2 buildings with the sports complex between them, all three are attached. Across the street you have the jr high and high school. Two buildings connected. They have a a large gymanasim that is used for the competitive basketball. And school PE that is not done in the complex. Next school year it will only 7th through 9th grades as the high schoolers will go to their own building. There is an underground tunnal that the kis can use to safely cross the street to access other buildings they need to go to. The high school is pretty close to the elementary school. The football field and complex are behind the elementary school. Be side the elementary school, before you get to it is a large grassy area with a pavilion. That land is set aside for the fall festival and recreation use. All our districts families are allowed to use it. Last years fall festival had 13 different blow up bouncy houses and slides of different sizes and one bouncy maze. Plus all the little booths the elementary classes put together. A gocart racing area and a hay ride with plenty of room left for kids to run and play. You can use the facilities at the football complex building. They keep it immaculate. They also sell really good food at the end of that building that is also the snack bar at the football games and track meets. As you can deduce from my description, it is a huge campus. That's why 12 armed city police officers with their cruisers parked all over the place. No one will know if they're going to run in straight into a police officer.
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    @Belin Wow, that sounds awesome. I like the idea of tunnels. There are lot's of those in DC connecting govt office buildings. I am just a bit envious, many expensive private schools don't have it so good! What is most impressive is that the people choose this, this sort of thing only happens when there is a push from the community. Taxes are raised to pay for it, but I think it is worth it. So do you and your neighbors. I often think we live in the world we create. We have more input than people think.:-)
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    It's funny banks pay to have armed guards move cash money around, we pay for troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany? Japan? Korea? Yet, no one wants to pay a cop for some overtime to guard our schools, something that should have happened decades ago.
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    Guns dont kill, people do..putting armed guards in school is ridiculous and useless. Spend billions on institutions for wack jobs
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    We already have 'cops on campus' in most high schools in this country since Columbine, and the number of high school shootings in the last 5 years is nearly non-existent.

    It's amusing to hear concern about cost from leftists who never saw a spending program involving 'the children' they didn't agree with. Divert the hundreds of millions of dollars a year from Egypt and other foreign welfare recipients, you dimwits, and secure our schools.

    By the way, the left really isn't opposing this because they're worried about the money.....Three reasons....

    1) They didn't come up with the idea
    2) They hate the folks who did (The NRA)
    3) They're worried it WILL work and undermine their pet scheme of gun control

    But even if you're FOR gun control, you can't be against protecting children......Protect our kids like we protect Congress and the President WHILE we have our 'conversation about meaningful gun control'........Stop using the children as a pawn.
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    The story came out of the retired marine dad volunteering his time to stand guard at his children's grade school. This does not have to cost a lot. We just need the will to protect our kids. What is the alternative? We let the kindergarten children defend themselves? No law will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.(Witness Mexico)
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    School guards will work but do we want to live in a guarded society ? If schools are well-protected. murderers will pick diners or malls or bus stations. All of those to be militarized too ?
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    Flashback: Clinton Requests $60 Million to Put Cops in Schools
    Today, the same elite media who no doubt send their own kids to private schools that employ armed security, just can't stop howling ridicule at the NRA's idea to give every student in America those same protections. Because the NRA's idea is so appealing, as I write this, the media's going overboard, mocking it as bizarre, crazy, and out of touch. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/...
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    This is at least an idea worth looking into. Banning Guns will not solve the problem as it is not the root cause. The real issue is the the underlying American Psyche. We are taught at a young age that in order to succeed we must be aggressive and resort to any means necessary to win. This is taught to children in school, in the sports they play and in the way we test them. Rewarding winners and forgetting the losers. Everything we do is a competition. Our entertainment focuses on these things look at the the popular TV shows. As a society we love to watch people get hurt, and humiliated and cast aside and cheer for the winners regardless of how they got there. We have little respect for those that are different from us and spurn them. We take great measure to be sure they know they are different. We have bullying in our schools that no one addresses, we buy our kids violent video games and take them to violent movies and sports events. At work it's the same thing we work in a dog eat dog society and so we reap what we sow. We need a major cultural shift in this country that shows us from an early age that we can succeed together and that our differences when combined are a strength. That each can contribute according to his/her gifts and still have a life. No I am not talking about communism or socialism. We can not achieve cultural stability while we still think in those terms. If you need proof, simply read through many of the posts here and see the evidence of our nature and how we interact. The simple fact is that we simply are not mature enough to change or grow into a stable society.
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    Here is a quote from a teacher in the same district as Sandy Hook. She comments on armed guard at schools.

    QUOTE:
    Living and working as a teacher a mere 5 miles away from the Sandy Hook massacre, I am in a state of shock. This week, my school and all the schools in the greater Danbury area, had at least one policeman in every school. It made me feel safer to have the officer there. But I know, that kind of protection will not last.

    So what is the answer?

    Last year, I got assaulted when a boy came into my classroom in a rage. I had locked my door, but the door was defective and hadn’t closed totally. I tried to stop him from attacking a girl in my room, but he threw me into a metal support pole and beat her up.

    So what is the answer?

    Perhaps if all schools had at least a safety advocate (unarmed) so that incidents of potential violence could be monitored and authorities called. Would an unarmed safety advocate have been able to stop the slaughter of 26 children and staff in Sandy HooK?

    Perhaps we should arm all school principals and train them to protect and preserve life? If dear Dawn had had access to a gun, I think she just may have killed the assailant. She was a fierce and mighty educator.

    I do not know a logical answer. This is a spiritual issue and evil appears to be overcoming good.

    I am so sad and so confused and so glad to be on vacation for 11 days. I never knew I had so many tears in me.

    But, again, I ask – what is the answer?

    Source;
    http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2012/12/21/...
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