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    That whole "gimme a job but don't expect me to work" mentality must be more rampant in Cali than in the rest of the country.
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    "more rampant in Cali than in the rest of the country." >> Not from what I see. I say drop the "Cali" part and you have the jobless mentality period. Now, just how can I say that? In "my neck of the woods", my factory closed 6/2012. I keep in touch with many of my former associates. At least 75% are still unemployed, getting ready or signing up for the Guv-mint extension and treating it like a vacation. They have not "looked" for work and would rather collect unemployment than work for the extra $100 (or so) they would get working. I, on the other hand, took 2 months off (a long "honey do" list), then found a job and went to work.
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    @stepped_in_it When I lost my job, I was told I had to apply for at least two jobs a week to collect my unemployment check. Seemed reasonable
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    @UnCommonBoston Yeah, I heard that from them. From what I heard (from "them), unemployment office doesn't have time/man power to check up on those applications.....so they "stretch the truth" on their applying for jobs....that's their words....not mine
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    No such "mentality" exists...But there is a legitimate mentality that says..." I am glad to work, all you have to do is pay me a decent wage..."
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    no, thats hard work. why should the poor victims of george bush's economy,especially the last four years , have to forsake their government given right of unlimited compensation and free food , and actually do labor related work? that kind of work is for criminals . it is very insensitive to even suggest it, imagine how they would "feel" if someone from their community happened to see them working like this? they would be embarrassed , humiliated and ostracized. they probably wouldn't even be invited to any more food stamp parties ...

    work is for suckers
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    @stepped_in_it I didn't even think of that.. good point I mean who would be expected to work at any establishment that would limit your texting ability? talk about slave labor camps...
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    Work is for people who want a better future. When the promise of advancement is taken away, much of the motivation is gone as well. I have taken many terrible jobs to make ends meet, but I know it would get me where I wanted. I could see a future. Thoughts?
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    Well, according to this story those jobs pay very low wages. So let's test your theory...Offer a better livable wage, and then let's see if those vacancies get filled....
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    @UnCommonBoston "When the promise of advancement is taken away, much of the motivation is gone as well." I think you answered your statement already. Some look at it as "beneath" them, others look at it as a fresh start.
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    What they don't tell you is that a lot of the unemployed live in the inner cities, half a day's drive from the farms. And many of these same unemployed don't even have their own transportation. And if you do have a car, it isn't feasible to spend two hours driving each way and $25.00 per day in fuel for the low wages paid by farmers.
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    i say you put every free loader on welfare out there in the fields working in return for that check!
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    I've done a lot of underpaid, back breaking jobs to provide for my family. If you are able to work, and jobs are available, but decide not to, then go hungry.
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    Really? So people should relocate for farm work hundreds of miles from where they live, in order to compete with illegal aliens who will get hired due to accepting less in pay and benefits, for seasonal work, just for the sake to be working and making it harder for them to focus on getting proper jobs. Ok fine.

    How about this, Is it the problem of not wanting to work? Or is it the problem of a generation having it drilled in their head since before they entered school of how imperative it is to get a good education so you dont end up slinging burgers or pumping gas, to go to school, earn college degrees, only to be expected to take up farm work? Then when they finally get a chance to do something they have been trained for, to be rejected for having an inferior and unqualified work history that works against them?

    All this simply for the sake of working, to get a job that not only cannot sustain an individual, not only makes it harder to get proper work, but is also no where near sufficient to pay off the debt incurred doing what they were told and getting that education.

    I love how people who think the solution is "Get a job" have no understanding of what that actually means and the various factors involved with it.
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    "People who receive unemployment benefits search harder and smarter for jobs" Maybe after 99 weeks of hard smart searching they need a little more incentive...
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    "...farm wages are apparently stagnant despite increased demand for labor.." This is an easy fix...If you want to fill a vacant job---and the wages are so low that no one will touch it....Then raise the damn wage---and you will probably get far more applicants then you ever could imagine....This is the so-called "free market" that the right is always whining about...Well here is a great opportunity to (literally) put their money where their mouths are. But I suspect---that this will just be yet another excuse for those businesses to simply hire "illegals under the table"...
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    If you are unemployed, then you should take advantage of the work that is available for you to help support yourself and your family. You can discuss/ bargain with the farmer to get higher wages. I know this because my family has been involved in the agriculture industry going back generations. Now we lease the farmland to a farmer. One of your benefits to doing this work is that it restarts your unemployment benefits when or if you need it again. Many here in this country think this work is beneath them. Work is work. That is why there are so many Hispanic migrant farm workers. Then people complain about them being here. Do you want to eat or drink wine? Thank these Hispanic migrant farm workers. When they are done in one place, they travel to another place here where the crops are ready.
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    As for "restarts your unemployment benefits"....in a galaxy not too far away or too long ago, unemployment was for 26 weeks only before you had to "be off" it for 26 weeks before you could reapply. Now, it's been extended (by our guv-mint) to 99 weeks....hmmm, 1 long month shy of a 2 year vacation... You (?) and I plan for the future, why some (or most) plan for today! I (recently laid off from a closing plant) went looking and found a job. Some (or most) are still on vacation!
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    @stepped_in_it
    My husband was in your shoes. He did not sit at home living off those checks. He immediately got another job! Also, good for you!!!
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    @justapirate
    Actually, no! You are not going to get rich, but these farmers need hands to do the work! They will negotiate a higher wage.
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    @Belin Yes, farmers will need to pay more but right now they aren't willing to accept that idea. They still have someone else to cover the 'benefits'

    Oh, and never considered 'getting rich' on a farm job. Just wanted a job.
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    the notion that people are happy or comfortable collecting unemployed is the issue, not the fact that the government provides it. unemployment insurance is supposed to be there for short periods; instead it has been turned into a generational family business.
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    I don't know much about this issue and less about life in California. However, I have heard over and over that we need new immigrants to take jobs Americans won't do and that they don't take jobs from Americans. All I know is what I have seen. I watched as black workers were replaced with Spanish speaking workers in DC. Talked to homeless who faced jail if they could not work, men who sincerely wanted to work but could not because most of the jobs were taken by Spanish speakers who would or could speak English. I waited in line for rude Spanish speaking workers to finish their conversation, when they turned to help me, they couldn't understand what I said. Then I wondered why any business would choose these workers and how long it would take the business to fail. My ex replaced his construction labours with "recent immigrants" and found the quality of work fell and it was not the money saving measure they hoped. The union workers were better trained and more cost effective. Leaders in the immigration movement have told me there will never be enough money to take care of the existing poor and our new poor. This sickens me, American citizens come first. We help our own. I don't know anything about these people who are not working. However, our system is failing if people are refusing work. If this is true, what a disaster. Real Americans should hire Legal Americans and those who have been here for generations deserve first dibs at our welfare, job training and education resources
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    There are NO "jobs that Americans won't do"...There are wages that are so low, that no one wants them---But all you have to do is offer a better pay, and that would solve the problem...Why can't republicans understand that simple concept?
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    @Sonny Costco is the perfect example. Their pay and benefits are by far the best in retail, as is the company's profit. People hustle because they want to keep their jobs and advance. The promise of a better future is there, insight. I doubt, but don't know, if Walmart employees put as much into their jobs. The pay is crap, benefits absurd -- they help new hires fill out paperwork for food stamps and other programs they quality for. Advancement is somewhat possible, maybe. Many of us would start in the mailroom if it gave us a good chance of advancement.
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    @Sonny A lesson in farm economics. The wages paid farm labor are dependent on the profit margin for the farmer. In any other production business the business produces its products and sets the price for their products based on cost of materials, employee wages, business expenses and the amount of profit needed to keep the business afloat. Farmers buy seed, fertilizer, animal feed, equipment, fuel for their equipment, and any supplies needed to run the farm from companies that operate on this principal meaning they are paying high prices in todays economy. They then spend the entire year tending their crops and herds so that they can take them to market. There they are paid the market price that is set by what the buyer is willing to pay not what the farmer needs to stay in business. They have no say in the amount of profit the fruit of their labor will bring. If the price of beef drops drastically as it does so often the farmer will end up in the red and has no recourse but to take what is offered so that he will have operating funds for the next crop. Many farmers go bankrupt because of this system. A farmer must set wages for his employees so that he has an opportunity to continue his business. If he ups his wages without considering the expected profit margin he is heading for financial suicide. Another thing you may not know is that when the market price for farm products drop and farmers struggle to make ends meet many times they are unable to maintain enough cash flow to pay their workers. I have known farmers to sell personal items, family heirlooms and anything else they can come up with so that they can pay their workers even during the off season when there is not enough work on the farm to keep them. They do this because they do care about the people working for them and will not lay them off if there is anyway humanly possible to keep paying them.
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    @nomocrap SO TRUE!!!! Corp America doesn't help. Want to sell your chickens to Purdue? You need to follow their regime perfectly. Let them see the light of day -- sorry. Seed prices are insane. Monsanto is the problem there. Profit is not a given, at best a maybe. Many of us grew up sharing a steak with the family. We never dreamed of having one to ourselves. The Quarter Pounder was HUGE. We ate produce in season and it wasn't cheap. Now food prices have dropped not risen. We expect/demand cheap food. Quality is not a big deal for many Americans. Those of us who can afford organic produce and what I call happy meat and eggs (organic, free range), support the small farms. Sometimes, the organic looks like the regular, or it looks worse. We pay for more than taste and nutrition. I want a world with less Walmarts and more local food. I eat less meat, more PB&J's and salads.
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    If someone has training or skills they of course want to employed in a relevant position where they can have good pay and benefits. I would not expect someone who was an engineer to go to the fields and pick lettuce while there was hope of a suitable position. The other issue is transportation and housing.
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    They are all busy getting stoned and we all know pot leaves you with no ambition. Thats why they are unemployed in the first plce!
  • #132
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    This is why we need to lower unemployment benefits and/or time limits. It encourages people to stay at home as opposed to being at least a little productive.
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    Well before you start screwing around with the little bit of money that is paid out in unemployment compensation---how about finding some damn jobs for people first! Its so easy to kick the little guy when he is down--yet I don't see you telling all of those so-called "job creators" who are sitting on 2 Trillion Dollars---to actually start doing some damn hiring...How about getting mad at that for a change, instead of just kicking some poor guy when he is down? Try that for a change.
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    @Sonny Yeah, I agree lets focus on job creation! Start lowering the taxes on Californians and spur some real economic development!
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    @Sonny And yes, let stop kicking the poor guy when he's down by adding some private sector employment positions instead of unemployment slots!
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    @Politicskid Don't know anything about California taxes or politics. I live in Maryland.
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    Illegal immigrants work in many sectors of the U.S. economy. According to National Public Radio in 2005, about ONLY 3 PERCENT WORK IN AGRICULTURE; 33 percent have jobs in service industries; and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (16 percent), and in production, installation, and repair (17 percent).[5] According to USA Today in 2006, about 4 percent work in farming; 21 percent have jobs in service industries; and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (19 percent), and in production, installation, and repair (15 percent), with 12% in sales, 10% in management, and 8% in transportation.
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    I wouldn't do it. Farm work is hard work. I worked in a tobacco field one year when I was younger. Never did it again.
  • #106
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    If you quit renewing unemployment benefits and tell people that they should go to work even if they have to move there will be a change of attitude about what kind of work is acceptable.
  • #135
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    Some people simply can not just pick up & move. And if you "quite renewing unemployment benefits" (with NO hiring going on) you will only have a lot of people collecting welfare...I just don't think its appropriate for you or anyone else to tell someone what kind of low wage job they have to take...Don't you see where that is leading us?!?! Once you get to the point that you MAKE a person work for "slave wages" then you might just as well simply tell the upper 2%--"OK---this country now belongs to you, you now own it and all of the people in it"....Would you allow someone to dictate to YOU how much you can earn and what job you HAVE to take?
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    @Sonny First...if I were taking welfare from my fellow citizens I would feel compelled to give something in return...some public service or volunteer work. Second....The employee does not decide what a job pays. The employer does and the government sets a minimum wage that can be paid. Employers seeking the same workers will pay to get the best and most experienced who deserve more because they contribute the most on the job immediately. Those who are not experienced or who are not good workers do not deserve to be paid a higher wage until they prove themselves or become experienced. The best workers who have been on the job the longest will get the highest pay because they have earned it. You cannot continue to deamonize the employer while you give those who won't work a pass...and don't tell me that they don't have to work because they can't find a job that is to their liking....that is BS. So, as long as they take unemployment benefits or welfare, they need to say "thank you" those paying taxes and get up and look for a job...and if that job is somewhere else, so be it.
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    @seedtick Actually you have supported what I was just saying...You said..."The employee does not decide what a job pays. The employer does ..."---EXACTLY!!!---But the only part you failed to mention is that NOBODY HAS TO ACCEPT THAT JOB!!!-----So the company can set its wages---But that does not mean that I have to accept his low wages...This is Still America..!!! And, I'm sorry...but the minimum wage---may not be sufficient for someone to feed his family...That's just the reality of it....And who said that we are talking about "inexperienced" workers....Since they were laid off---that would mean that they did, in fact, have a job...and therefore can bring some "experience" to the table...

    Now look---if you think I am "demonizing employers" then you are missing my point! The "point" if you will, that I was simply making is.....What the right ALWAYS touts as its pride & joy...."the free market". And, in this case, the "free market" says---"If you can not fill a vacancy---on the low wages that you are offering---then you might have to raise that salary to attract the workers that you need to fill that position.."....Now how is that "demonizing any employer"?!??!

    Finally, no one who is collecting his/her unemployment insurance in their time of need, should ever have to say "thank you" to anyone...These people have paid into this fund and have EARNED the RIGHT to collect their benefit, in their time of need. They have already paid for it in advance, when they were working---and are under NO obligation to thank anyone but them selves for doing so....Now I won't go through the litany of taxes that poor people pay each and every year... Unless you want me to. Because I have listed that on here, many times before...Bottom line on this "they don't pay taxes" myth---is that the poor pay a hell of a lot in taxes each and every year. The complaint via this myth was that they did not pay any federal income tax. Well they pay state taxes, soc sec taxes, payroll taxes. and many, many more taxes every year...Hell even "unemployment insurance" is TAXABLE INCOME...So that myth is just wrong...

    People want to work---But no one should be forced to take a job that clearly leaves him unable to feed his family and keep the lights on, just because it makes someone else feel better...
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    @Sonny Thought I would throw this in to put things in perspective:
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbenefitp...
    Please tell me who actually pays into the unemployment fund.
    Now, an employee experienced in hamburger flippin' at a fast food joint is only an "entry level" worker in a butcher shop...sure he knows what a hamburger pattie looks like, but doesn't have a clue how operate the equipment and use the tools to make it, much less the safety issues involved. The learning curve may or may not be difficult for him/her...so, until he/she becomes knowledgable and can actually contribute, the pay scale should be "entry level," also. So, if someone seeking a job in a place they have no proven skills at walks up demanding to be paid more than entry level wages they should be sent back out the door...no questions asked.
    Let's see....unemployment vs minimum wage....sure the lazy will stay on unemployment if you pay them as much as they can make at an entry level job. But, those who actually want to work will look for something to do...they have a little self pride.
    Skilled craftsmen....These folks have something to offer...their knowlege and experience at a certain trade. But, they will still have to begin as a new employee and prove their worth before receiving top scale.
    Education...without experience it is only worth an entry level position in a job requiring the education a person has. If you have a degree in Mechanical Engineering don't expect to be running multi-million dollar projects when you first go to work..you will do many small projects before that happens.
    So what does it all boil down to.... if you have been installing front bumpers on Chevrolets for 10 yrs and there is no such job available in your immediate area, you either take an entry level job in another industry or you go where the bumper installation job is available. And, IMHO, a person who won't do that is lazy and becomes an anchor upon the economy.
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    @seedtick You seem to keep thinking that all of the unemployed are former "hamburger flippers"...Well that is not the case at all. Many of these people used to have good jobs...with many years of experience, and lots of skill under their belts. And, I'm serious, I really don't think that you or I are in any position to tell a person what job and/or wage they need to settle for...We (you) don't know anything about their situation, and/or financial need. Its easy to simply lump them all in and call them all lazy...NOT true or accurate, by easy enough. Now you are all over the map talking about "entry level".."skilled craftsmen"...and "mechanical engineers"---And you see that's my point...YOU don't know anything about the vast majority of these people...That's why YOU can not, and should not be trying to tell them how to manage their way out of their own personal situations...Its just not possible for you to be able to set any "blanket parameters" for what they should be doing..Now once again...people who have to collect unemployment insurance have worked for it, and have earned a right to collect it........

    http://www.ctdol.state.ct.us/progsupt/unemplt...

    All I am saying is that for Sonny or Seedtick to "tell them to take a job and accept a particular low wage salary is just not right...I'm sorry, but respectfully YOU just don't have that right...I know you think you do because of the "no paying taxes myth"...But remember...before these people became unemployed (through no fault of their own)---They were doing exactly what you say you are doing by way of taxes...So how can you know judge them?---Its them today...and could be YOU or ME tomorrow..
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