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    Don't comment on the pictures brother. We aren't allowed to. They can host them, we have to behave though.
    By the way, like the new festive pic. Kudos. And Happy Holidays to you my friend.
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    @PNWest You can't blame the gun... you can blame the parents for allowing access to a gun... for allowing video games that teach children how to kill and desensitize them to it... but you can't blame the gun.
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    @Heavy-Fed I do blame the parent. And I blame society for allow such easy access to guns. The gun itself is nothing but a hunk of metal. Sort of like a car. But a car needs to be registered and you need a license to operate it and it has useful purposes other than killing people or animals.
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    only if (s)he lives long enough to find his gun and use it. the average armed civilian is terrified of hurting another human being when it comes right down to it.
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    I agree, it often takes at least that long for police to respond in my community. Twice that long for our volunteer fire/rescue. While I imagine a school shooting would take presidence over everything else, they still have to arrive.

    Twice in the last several years an armed resource office has stopped a gunman in local schools long before police were even notified. The college of pharmacy in Tazwell and a high school in Kingsport. It seems that some people on this site assume that everyone in this country lives ,in a city or suburban area.
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    It's only fair that everyone be offered the same protection as the president and congressmen. Teacher's have every right to defend themselves.
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    @PoliticalSpice That's the solution!!! 24 hour Secret Service protection for EVERYONE!!!
    That will also solve our unemployment problem!!
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    This is a legitimate question, but what we DO know for sure is that 'gun-free zones' turn innocents into victims. Time and time again. How many more have to die before we realize that disarming the good guys is a bad idea?
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    @Jeff_Woehrle

    No guards there? None at all with any guns? I highly doubt that. Seems even places with trained and armed guns are not beyond the reach of mass shootings.
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    @woodtick57,
    Yes, incredibly. They had to call 911 and wait for the Sheriff deputies to arrive. I believe it was Jimmy Carter who issued the Executive Order disarming ALL military personnel on every base in America. And now they are all effectively free shooting-galleries for the jihadists.
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    The common theme with mass shootings in the last few years is that they all seem to take place in what are know by everyone to be gun free zones. I don't believe everyone should be required to carry a gun or receive training on how to use one but those who choose to and can pass the requirements put down by their state should be allowed. Crime is low in Israel where the military walk around with weapons in public and most civilians have received training with weapons at some time. It is also low in Sweden where most of the population are required to keep a pistol and semi automatic weapon as well as 500 rounds of ammunition at home as part of their national defense duties. The majority of people against guns in America do not own guns and have not had an opportunity to know any responsible gun owners. Their total exposure comes from Hollywood and the media which are practically the same thing. The amount of misreporting about guns by the msm is an embarrassment. It's sad they don't put any more effort into their research.
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    Racemonkey, Did you actually mean to say "Switzerland" rather than "Sweden"? Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.
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    It can work but it's a gamble. Remember the bad guy is in killing mode while the armed civilian has to react. I don't care for the term 'armed civilian' because I am a civilian with more real life firearm experience than most law enforcement or military. The nature of the term denotes someone who is inexperienced.
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    "Civilian" should not denote "a person who does not know how to use a firearm," as it is a right of every American to train to defend himself to any level he wishes.
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    A armed civilian can stop mass killings. How about the western days when everyone was packing heat. How many crimes/mass killings were committed? Probably not a 3rd of the crime that we have now.
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    @jmann88 hard to get accurate information on that, but there are a few books about the true stories of bla, bla, bla. My immpreesion is that wild though it may gave been, there weren't really half as much shooting going on as at tge movies...
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    @jmann88 but i'll grant you not a third of the amount of crime we have now. Laudanum, an opiate: legal, marijuana: legal, prostitution: legal, so many things today classafied as crimes were not crimes then, so of course, the crime rate was far lower...
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    How accurate would the typical civilian's aim be? Even veteran police officers miss their targets. The Diallo shooting in New York City, for instance, found four plain clothes officers "fired a combined total of 41 shots, 19 of which struck Diallo."
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    Did you hear about the little kid that took a gun to school and shot his classmates? Unloaded the gun in under 45 seconds and killed 8 or 9 kids... all head and torso shots. That's video game training for you.
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    Nypd almost never miss an unarmed target. The number of missesdon't matter, Diallo is dead, clifford glover is dead, bell is dead. Talk about unarmed civplians needing guns to protct themselves, nypd are certianly among those they need protect themselves from. Same goes for oakland and lapd...
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    In the US Volunteer fire fighters are often over trained. As they pay for their own training and ignore the fact that.. "no we don't need another driver for the truck".
    --Police and Security often never need to draw there gun at work, and qualify twice a year.
    --While volunteer shooters often are over trained because firearms are their sport or martial art. This includes many police whose private training passes that required for the same reason.
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    Four mass shootings in four years?? And the only way out for some is MORE guns?? You would have to ASSUME that the person with the concealed weapon will always come out on top, which isn't the case. America already has more guns per capita than anyone else (90 per 100 http://thetruthiswhere.wordpress.com/2011/03/... ), so logic dictates that reducing this number would lower the likelihood of more mass shootings.
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    Logic dictates that reducing the number of guns would increase the likelihood of more defenseless mass shootings.
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    @PNWest Yes, but look at my post again - I'm talking about lowering the likelihood of more mass shootings not stopping all of them...
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  • #263
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    I can't speak for everyone but I personally stopped a guy from killing his girlfriend. She is alive today because I had a gun. It's going to be hard to convince her that civilians shouldn't carry guns. She would be dead if this civilian hasn't had one.
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    The solution to gun violence is NEVER more gun violence!

    We do not want to turn our streets into the wild, wild west of yesteryear where everyone was a gunslinger with itchy trigger fingers. Encouraging this type of behavior will only serve to digress our cultural progress back to the days of outlaws and lawlessness.

    THINK!, people, and don't give into the fear mongering of the pro-gun lobby who are actually only interested in their stock margins, job security, and making quotas.
  • #228
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    The only person stopping a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, be it a police officer or someone who is legally carrying concealed.
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    Forced gun classes for teachers.
    These shooters don't go to police stations, or places with guns. They go to schools and such where guns are banned. Make them think twice, always pack your heat
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    I believe they do. They're have been many stories where an armed civilian stop someone for going on a rampage but we never hear about it cubits not schooling enough news to report. The news rarely reports about anything good it almost always bad or sad news they report
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    What should be a part of this discussion is the fact that 70% of mass killers are white males. If they were black it would be condemnation of all blacks. If muslim it would called terror and a condemnation of all muslims.

    The fact that the overwhelming majority of these mass shooters are white males and no one sees any reason to talk about it in addressing the problem signifies white privilege is alive and well. A problem cannot be solved when it is swept under the rug.
  • #190
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    if obama would only work this hard on jobs we would have it made... but i guess the U.N. dosent support the jobs thing..
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