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    Christmas has always been a Christianized version of pagan holidays. The early Christians were aggravated because the followers of Mithra were having a good time and attracting people with their celebrations so they set off to compete. Now we have Catholic Christianity all mixed up with Norse paganism along with stuff about the new year, only recently added. Christmas is, therefore, largely a party and always has been mixed with some Christianity and bits and pieces of other religions. The Italians have la Befana, a witch who brings more presents in January so maybe we should add that to our mix.
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    True that. Christmas is a big mix of secular, pagan, and Christian. I personally believe that parents have a right to raise their children according to their own beliefs and customs without having them dictated by someone else. Just as I also believe (my personal opinion) that schools should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic and stay out of religion and politics altogether.
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    xmas is strictly about big money and greed, period, as is all the other "holiday" propaganda by the big corp machine!
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    @hankf68
    I don't agree. The big money could also be interpreted as good business sense too. After all, people spending their money are not objecting to the secular Christmas practice. We don't have to agree to be tolerant.
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    @hwyangel ...good business sense isn't separate from greed, for they go hand in hand, maybe some of us just believe there is a better way, life doesn't have to be about the accumulation of things, unneeded especially, peace always :)
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    @hankf68

    I personally don't own more than what would fit into the trunk of a small car. But it doesn't mean that I don't spend a lot of money on other who need it.
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    @PolitixMary I would like to commend Mary Noble for periodically responding to posters. This is a rare occurrence in comment sections across the spectrum of the internet. Far too often we are left to feel that our comments are never read by anyone other than those who post and we're just nobodies whose opinions matter not at all. It changes all that just a tiny bit when I see Mary respond. Thanks and Happy Holidays to you and yours. We're having Cornish game hens today. Come on by if you have the time. LOL
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    @PolitixMary yes, thank you so much for all you do. I look at tge bios of you and the others on the politix board and see what is being done here. Highly qualified folks, I feel privileged to get in on this early. And thank you for the opportunity to be part of something that will be really big one day. You and your co-workers are really something special. Thank you so much !!!
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    @PolitixMary Don't you realize that Christmas is a Pagan festival, dressed up into a Christian pouter coating. So why not celebrate Paganism, and tell everybody how corrupted Christianity is?
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    I can't even believe that this is an issue for anyone. Even heatherns and Muslims must understand that Christmas is a Christian religious holiday. They don't have to celebrate it, but they do need to know what it is.
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    So you believe we should know the roots? Fair enough, but the roots are NOT Christian. Christianity combined and popularized a few different pagan traditions. Jesus' only contribution to Christmas is that 400 years after his death his followers attached his name to Saturnalia.
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    @Cheenoguy So you say. I say otherwise. And it is the first I've ever heard of that. And probably anyone else. LOL
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    @seedtick
    Irritating thing about print in a forum. I can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or ignorant about Christmas being a Christian holiday.
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    @Cheenoguy I have stated my belief and nothing you can say will change that. You say, they say...means nothing to me. December 25 is the day we Christians celebrate the birth of Christ...period. You can celebrate anything you wish, I just don't care, but don't waste your breath or keystrokes trying to change my mind about what I believe. I tell you this with all due respect to you and what you believe or don't believe.
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    @seedtick
    I am not saying YOU aren't celebrating Jesus' birthday on Christmas. All I am saying is that Christmas is simply a combining of ancient traditions and celebrations under an umbrella of celebrating the birth of Christ. Christmas is simply the Christian version of the celebration of the winter solstice. There is no assumption of any kind here. Everything is simplly documented and universally proven. Nothing wrong whatsoever if you want to put the focus on Christ during this season, but that doesn't change facts.
    This is the problem with absolutism ideologies like Christianity and many other religious/political views. When confronted with facts that contradict or disprove a belief many choose to ignore facts furthering delusion.
    Happy Hanakuah.(At least Jesus actually celebrated that.)
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    My children were raised without religion. My granddaughter is being raised without religion. As far as I'm concerned this is one of those things that the absolute authority should lie with the parent(s). Not the government, not the church, not anyone in any way, shape or form. Freedom of religion means exactly that. Including freedom from religion. My kids asked what the manger scene was all about and we told them it was a religious ceremony much as the passing out of trophies at the end of little league was a baseball ceremony. that seemed to be enough at the time and after all they were little and more interested in Santa Claus and their presents. When they got older they never asked again.
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    Should America's kids know the religious context of Christmas?

    Oh Yes indeed they should!!
    Believe me, It appears as if allot in this country could use some Jesus
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    There is no point in continuing the holiday at all without Christ and the true meaning of Christmas. Even the Chinese are moving to celebrate the Christian meaning of Christmas. I was there the first part of December, and heard Christian hymns in many stores, twice heard carolers, and was surprised to see public nativity scenes and hear What Child is This, Away in a Manager, and Silent Night. So the Chinese are moving fast to a place where our country used to be (in more ways than most Americans realize). Our liberal leaders seem to want to move to the place where China is coming from. Is that what we want?
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    Jesus is the reason for the season. Meaning “Christ”mas. You can celebrate the winter solstice or whatever you want but Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. I think it would do most people some good to teach their kids the real meaning of Christmas since most of them have also forgotten.
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    I think it's important for them to know that Christmas is a derivative if the pagan celebration, saturnalia. I would like them to understand the evolution of the custom. It's a great opportunity to teach.
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    Religion should be limited to adults, the same way that sex is, and forcing religion upon children punished the same way as forcing sexing upon children is punished. No child should never be molested with religion. If religion had any merit, it would convince an adult who has never heard anything about it.
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    Of course they should be taught the pagan roots of Christmas ... how else would you explain the transformation of a Turkish priest by the name of St. Nick who reveled in the destruction of pagan temples ... into a jolly fat elf that lives at the North Pole? He would be rolling over in his grave if it wasn't for the fact that his bones are scattered across Europe venerated as religious relics!
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    The question is? Why would you keep this information from kids? If you are going to celebrate "Christmas" which is basically a religious holiday with the word "Christ" in it, then inform your children what it is about, because otherwise you are keeping them dumb and ignorant about something that they are celebrating which makes no sense. Maybe a better question is why do people celebrate "Christmas" as opposed to "Yule" or any of the other Winter celebrations/holidays who do not embrace that religion?
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    Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. He professed love and tolerance. We have a national holiday for MLK who also professed love and tolerance. Freedom is a wonderful thing. Celebrate if you wish or don't celebrate. It is up to you.
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    My favorite part of this article Is th quote at the end. The nativity story is just an affair that got blown the hell out of proportion while being explained. :)
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    no matter what your religion, I would think that you would want to provide your family with a historical perspective, including why it is that you believe what you believe..
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