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    They were being proactive and performed according to their responsibilities (assigned by congress). They did good.
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    @jamesmitchell I don't recall saying anything bad about the FBI (pssst, they might be listening so say nice things ;)

    I do pick at the legal policies & procedures, but the FBI itself does very good work. A tad under funded, a little uptight, but the Behavioral Science Unit at Quantico has an awesome Hannibal Lecter display so maybe they're not too uptight.
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    @marine1 So it's been here for how long, but sudenly now it is gonna get worse?

    Are we there yet?

    Are we there yet?

    Are we there yet?
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    We already are with drones flying over our own country. That is blatantly disregarding our right to privacy. Remember that this was initiated under President Obama. Our freedoms being taken piece by piece. The inverstigations prior to the Occupy movement may have been a necessary evil to keep our citizens safe.
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    Better time management. I have protested most of my life for things I believe in. baby carriers are a help....
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    @jamesmitchell I don't really feel anything... but what kind of job skills is 1 demonstrating by pooping on a police car lighting fires in garbage bins and throwing fecal bombs?
    what kind of a job do you think they're looking for?
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    It's hard to believe the FBI was involved, considering all the stabbings and raping, defecating on police cars, etc. Obviously, someone told the FBI to stand down. Most of OWS could have been locked up on various crimes from trespassing to attempted murder. OWS never had a valid point. It's obvious why they weren't shut down.
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    Defecating on police cars, stabbings, rape of non-gederal officials, or not on indian reservations or federal land are not federal matters. I thought you of all people would know that better. Losing your grasp of federalism, are you?
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    The biggest, baddest, dirtiest, most underhanded, law manipulating, sneakiest, lying, player in the game is our gov't. You don't get to head of FBI, CIA, even TSA, by the time you get to that level of gov't you have learned how to side step silly little land mines such as the law. You throw the tag of "in the name of public safety" on anything and the law can do whatever it wants. I honestly think the thing our gov't wants, and the last thing we the people should do, is have a revolution.
    If we did that the President could and would declare marshall law, in the name of public safety, and then its all over, done.
    I know, I know, yall don't believe it. But just look up the road a little ways, you can almost see it off in the distance.
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    Read the bill of rights. It gives us permission to take up arms and overthrow a government that is not upholding the constitutions and allows us to vote in a new congress and a new president. Do you really think the military is going to fire on its own people? Some may be willing, but most would not. It is also their job to uphold our constitution at home and for the protection of the citizens of this nation, not the government in that sort of situation. Our President is their commander in chief unless he is not upholding the constitution.
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    @Belin u really don't have to tell me what the Bill of Rights says, or what u believe our military would do. First most of milktary will follow orders of their gov't. Part of the reason they will follow orders is because their families will simply comply with the gov't- believing their gov't has their best interest at heart, as they believe now.
    2nd FEMA just purchased 250,000 weapons and ammo, now that may not mean much, guns don't matter about against a tank, right? But it makes one wonder about what else FEMA may have. I also wonder who the weapons are for, I was not aware FEMA had a army to arm, were you?
    You just remember, brother will turn on brother and mother on child. Like the lil' chip that the first family in America just volunteered to get put under their skin, believing the sales pitch of, it will help keep the children safe, and allow tracking and keep all medical info on it.
    See those people that believe that crap will turn on, even family.
    Trying to use logic to reason the next move will not work, because we can not see the whole picture, and that is by design.
    I do not jump to conclusions, I make intuitive leaps based on the movements and choices of others.
    Trust me you will be shocked as this plays out, just how few people see it coming.
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    @Thegrif
    Believe me, I will not be shocked! I know what is coming. Our family will never allow a chip to be implanted under our skin, no matter the consequences if it became manditory!
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    @Thegrif
    I didn't tell anyone to do it. I just pointed out that it existed. All of the things you listed is one of the reasons I am completely against anymore gun control placed on the citizens of this country!
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    They have always illegally investigated groups (and lied about) for as long as I can remember. But now they listen into our phone calls without a warrant, they read our emails without a warrant, they can accuse us of being "associated" (but not involved) with issues involving POSSIBLE domestic terrorism, hold us without bail, without charge, without an attorney, without our family being notified or a trial. In other words they can hold us for life in a cell somewhere beneath a mountain and never admit we're there. We have become the USSR.
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    @woodtick57 Beats the hell out of me? Maybe "Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, executive director of the PCJF, asserted that the FBI improperly gathered information on law-abiding citizens and expressed concern over how the bureau would use such information." in the article lead me this direction or the illegal tactics they've used back against the black panthers or the Chicago protests or you, know, just about anything the do? Like Operation wide receiver or fast and furious, or what could I be thinking. I'm supposed to trust my government based on their track record? The KKK says their a fraternal organization today. Most people eye that track record with an equally dubious eye. We're done.
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    @jessejaymes So because someone said it was illegal, that makes it true? There is nothing illegal with gathtering information about people, groups, or organiations.
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    Probably not at all. The feds don't do much against the right wing extremists until something like Oklahoma City happens. Law enforcement is traditionally a conservative occupation. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a significant portion of LEOs were baggers.
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    well when you have a couple 100,000 Tea Party members who have a rally and don't leave behind as much is 1 gum wrapper...

    and then the other hand you have the Occupy people destroying private property defacing public property and sexually assaulting and raping women abusing drugs and defecating in public

    you could probably answer your own question
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    @PNWest

    Remember that far right wing group in was it Ohio or Indiana (one of the corn places...) a couple years ago? Set out to kill cops but they got busted by the Bureau first...
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    @bsking According to the article, the FBI's interests involve "general government dissatisfaction", not littering. And the Baggers left behind a little more than gum wrappers, withe their racism, anti-semitism, and gay bashing.
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    @twinertia Not to mention shell casings. (eyeroll) you have to wonder about people who support organizations who hold rallies with assault weapons but then bitch about littering. About all that's missing from the baggers is the hood and sheet.
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    I don't believe the FBI had any idea of what it was. They're now claiming it to try to help their tarnished reputation by now being...intelligent?!
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    they are a terrorist front group paid for by the unions and george sorros! they ALL need to be imprisoned!
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    I think that the FBI should also be investigating the institutions that Occupy Wall Street is protesting against.

    "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." - Thomas Jefferson
  • #86
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    The fact is any and I mean all decent to authority is seen as a threat. Whether real or imagined. Every person on this forum at one time or another has made statements that the authority's would perceive as justification to investigate. Conservative or liberal. One must always remember that in reality the rules of law only apply to those people whose intent the laws were written to subjugate not the enforcers of the law. History has proven this over and over. Every single person irregardless of conformity is seen as a potential criminal or insurrectionist. Therefore is subject to scrutiny by a multitude of government agency's. As with any government the fear of its own people far out weigh its fear of any foreign power. And it will use what ever tactic it can to justify its paranoia ethical or not.
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    They waste a lot of time and money investigating harmless people. Look up the FBI file on the dangerous leftist, Groucho Marx. It is on line. I certainly feel safer knowing that they were keeping an eye on Groucho.LOL
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    If there was a big enough situation that a lone person could have used it to comit a terrorist act on the premous of the Occupy Wall Street movement, then I believe our leaders/protectors should be allowed to do what is needed to keep people safe. That includes the Occupy Wallstreet protesters lives or prevention of bodily harm. If you were doing nothing illegal, this form of intelligence gathering to protect you should not bother you. The Occupy Wallstreet demonstrations were allowed. That should have given you enough information that the powers that be allowed it and no terrorist act was perpetrated against anyone.
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