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    LOL! These Log Cabin Republicans didn't even have the cojones to even come out for their own marriage rights in the last two elections, but they get their panties in a bunch about an incident involving a Democrat from FOURTEEN years ago. Why does anyone take these clowns seriously? They're an embarrassment to those who really care about equality....
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    @jamesmitchell well it's just a question. You said it was an insult to those care that about equality. Who exactly are those people?
    Republicans?
    Democrats?
    Nope
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    Can't imagine what a self hating group the Log Cabin Republican's must be. They were such a loud voice during the campaign. Who dragged these "masochists" out of the closet for a game of Hagel bating
    I say masochist not to imply all gay men are. I say it, because if you gay and belong to the Republican party it's the same as saying "whip me beat me, I hate myself."
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    Before making a quick judgement of the man here is what he said about Israel.“I am a United States senator, not an Israeli senator,”“I support Israel. But my first interest is I take an oath to the Constitution of the United States. Not to a president. Not to a party. Not to Israel. If I go run for Senate in Israel, I’ll do that.”
    The man kowtows to no one. Someone with a backbone and who puts the best interest of the country above party rhetoric is always going to make people nervous.
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    @PoliticalSpice He has made comments about homosexuals that he shouldn't have. But as with all of us after time we can see the errors in our thinking if we want to or strive to be better people. Here's what he said about his past comments.“My comments 14 years ago in 1998 were insensitive. They do not reflect my views or the totality of my public record and I apologize to Ambassador Hormel and any LGBT Americans who may question my commitment to their civil rights. I am fully supportive of open service and committed to LGBT military families.”
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    @truthsayer well two things, first ad i indicated in another post, i don't necessarily support hagel, but the comments have nothing to do with his ability to be defense secretary, if the comments were about gays serving in the military, that would be a different story. Secondly, perhaps not pc, but consider what the job of ambassador is, you meet with people from other nations, many of which would not agree to work with, or would not take seriously an openly gay repressentative, and that factor makes diplomatic service differenct then domestic service, although that criticism was once used as a reason not to have a female sec of state, which never proved to be a problem, so i may be an idiot for mentioning it...
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    @PoliticalSpice No they are very legitimate points there is nothing idiotic about your observations at all. I did read your previous post and was I not really trying to educate you on the man or sell him to you. My intent was aimed more at less informed in the guise of conversation with you.
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    @truthsayer I took no offense at anything you wrote, i was just thinking as i wrote my post how that was originally said about madelline albright, and how wrong it turned out to be and wondering if i too might be wrong in my assessment. I may becoming paranoid on politix, but it seems there are some people here that would love to jump down my throat, call me an idiot or worse. I was just making it easier for them, you know, being bi-partisan :)
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    These comments he made are over 14 years old. If they were recent they may have had some merit, but given the age of these comments, in my book they're irrelevant.
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    Some people believe 'gay' is no different than being a child molester. The only logical solution is to treat everyone as individuals and issues between people are resolved as contract disputes.
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    I suppose it depends on who you are. Virginia Gov Bob McDonnell's masters thesis slammed women's right, gays and "fornicators" (just to be inclusive, I guesses) but that's water over the dam these days. http://goo.gl/fBXtY

    The LCR acts more like a front group for conservative GOP thinking than a true advocacy group for equal treatment for everyone.
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    Your comment is saying something about you...that you are a right-wing nut planted here. I don't believe for a second that you'd like a liberal and progressive for DoD. If Republicans hate Chuck Hagel, that means he deserves to be nominated. In terms of homophobia, the country has changed, luckily, and is much more accepting of gay people. And, stop throwing that "anti-semitic" poop around. It doesn't stick anymore.
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    14-year-old comments? wow if they would only go that far back with democrats then we would have some progress.
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    I am reminded of an openly gay engineer that I worked with once when he criticized another gay co-worker (out of earshot) for being "too gay" and effeminate. Obviously, he was put off by the other man's mannerisms, not his sexual orientation. Are we unable to dislike someone's behaviors and affectations without committing professional suicide now?
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    This is my whole objection to the gay community in a nutshell. I don't care who people have sex with as long as they're legal age. But I don't like effeminate men and masculine women. So I'm instantly labeled as homophobic and a hater. Well guess what? I don't like effeminate straight men or masculine straight women either. I guess what it's come to in this country is you get up, go to work, keep your eyes on the floor, do not speak unless spoken to and go home. WHILE everyone in every fringe group can act any way/say anything they damn well please.
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    14 year old comments.....Everybody's "views" change with time and the "environment".
    I have and had gay friends and acquaintances. I'm not against their choice, but, I am against the aggressive gay (I call them "flamers"). You will not/do not see this openly HETEROsexual man (me) acting like John Wayne/Clint Eastwood with macho-ism written all over his face. Then why do I/we have to see the "openly" aggressive Marilyn Manson's running around? It's YOUR business, keep it YOUR business!
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    @stepped_in_it I am sorry you are delusional. You do not know a single person who can't wait to shove pictures if their het families in your face? Or guys who brag about the girls he gets? Same thing.
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    @jamie91 Sorry dude, maybe you need a better class of friends. Mine don't feel the need to be "macho".....they KNOW their orientation.
    Don't care about their family photos and don't understand how that would be "aggressive heterosexuality"? I guess only you would know.....just please keep your openly "aggressive" homosexuality to yourself and I'll keep my openly heterosexuality to mine...ok
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    So let me get this straight...LCR's associate themselves with a political side that is openly and brazenly against equal rights for all, but more specifically equal rights to the LGBT community....
    And now this group is throwing a fit about an individual statement from 14 years ago...
    what about the party's ( whose name they freely choose to associate themselves with),as a majority,stance on LGBT rights TODAY????
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    Why is Obama appoint a REPUBLICAN to defense anyway? Obama's "bipartisanship" is making me want to throw up. Obama might as well declare him a Republican at the rate things are going considering he has thrown liberals/progressives under the bus.

    As for Chuck Hagel, he's just another homophobic antisemitic piece of sh_t. Even other Republicans hate this guy and don't want him appointed.. That should tell you something about him.
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    I think it is demonstrative of how the attitudes of Americans have changed towards Gays, considering the support of marriage equality today versus 14 years
    ago. I have many straight friends whose views have softened and changed. I'd put my faith more so in a person who can admit he made a mistake as opposed to some narrow minded person who thinks he's never wrong or who refuses to consider broader horizens.
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    Until now I had no opinion on Hagel either way. But if the Log Cabin Republicans won't even stand and be counted in their cause prior to the election but NOW they are "concerned"? I'd vote for Hagel.
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    Why didn't they take an ad protesting the treatment of Richard Grenell, one of their own, when he was being pushed out of the Romney campaign? A bunch of confused hypocrites. That's all.
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    I don't believe these comments should rule him out as a candidate.however the fact that he is changing his position or apologizing to seek the position should.
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    Hagel's comments don't inspire confidence and especially given the recent rule change allowing open gays in the military he is probably not the right choice.
    That being said they didn't have a problem voting for the anti-gay Romney and the extremely anti-gay Ryan for the two highest offices in the country, but throw a fit about a guy who has taken a poor stance in the past being considered for SOD is too much for then to handle.
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    Rare, but we agree. I am not even saying I support Hagel, but these comments have nothing to do with his ability to serve as defense secretary. If the comments concerned gays in the military that might be a different matter, but these 14 year old comments do nothing to disqualify him.

    That aside, from what I read, I think Obama might have trouble with this nomination...
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