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    Same bunch of idiots (and a few new ones). Let the cliffs happen, maybe then the 50% who don't pay taxes will finally have to pay their fair share and Washington cuts back on wasteful spending.
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    That 50% is made up of high school kids, retirees, and people making $11 an hour. Are you really suggesting that this group of people are going to save our economy by taxing them more?
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    Comments like yours irritate me because you really don't have a clue about what people America consists of. Use your own brain and learn before you spout off. Rush or Beck's brainless talking points aren't knowledge.
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    @martydotcom I'm curious as to what you liberals and progressives think you're doing? I'm all for soaking the rich. They've soaked us for 12 consecutive years now. That's not an issue between you and I. What I do wonder though is how you continue to justify cradle to grave welfare? I though welfare reform under Clinton put a two year limit on assistance and then those on welfare had to get off for at least a year before going back on? I now the liberal talking points about how most welfare is temporary but I doubt that most of you have lived or worked in the larger inner cities. I had business locations in poor areas. For 30 years. I knew people and a lot of them who were on welfare that entire time. I listened to people "school" others about how to get on mental disability and which doctors to see. I turned in Clinics and nothing was ever done. I don't think you liberals realize how many millions there are out there who are perfectly content to get welfare/disability, subsidized housing, EBT food cards, sell a little weed and bootleg CD/movies on the side and never work a day in their entire lives. I for one am just as sick of this as I am corporate welfare. I know your argument that it's just a tiny portion of the deficit. But even so it's wrong for people to work their entire adult lives to support those who refuse to work. WORKFARE not welfare.
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    We will have to raise the debt ceiling. But, we also have to cut spending. And, cannot keep printing money to cover debt. At some point the real problem must be addressed. That is debt and spending versus the GDP. If we increase the GDP and curb spending the tax revenue problem will disappear and there will be a job for everyone who wants one. However, what we see in Washington DC is not an exercise in futility but, rather, an exercise in stupidity. We stand leaderless and embarassed before the world.
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    While people sit at their computers and blame "the other party" may I remind all of you on both sides that these "messes" are not an overnight apparition on the staircase. These are the result of bills and spending passed by both GOP and Dems over the past 12 years. It astounds me that either party can blame the other and the yokels eat it up like it is gospel. It takes two to tango.
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    @Denizen_Kate RE-ELECT NOBODY 2014. It's time to take our country back. We can't beat them with guns. We can only beat them at the ballot box. NOBODY.
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    @jessejaymes - I'm on board with voting out Feinstein and Boxer, but Mike Honda had the temerity to say no to NDAA, and I feel that should be rewarded, not punished.
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    Which of the "mini-cliffs" concerns you the most?How bout the Fed still existing,how about The Continuation of the Emergency war powers act,Executive orders,Agenda 21,NDAA,Unclaimed 200 trillion in debt not 16 trillion,small arms treaty and on and on
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    We'll raise the debt celing again. That's pretty much a givin. But we better have a knock down battle over the speending cuts. If we don't see the deficit cut by about 10% next year and on out over several years, we're just peeing in the wind.
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    The only thing that would be a problem is the failure to increase the debt ceiling, as it would have international consequences. A govt shut down forcing all but essentional services to cease might be just the thing needed to get them to realize which govt services they can get rid of with little downside, and a 50% cut in the military budget would be a good thing, the constitution never contemplated a standing army, with good reason - as shown by the wars in Iraq, panama, vietnam, greneda, libya, as well ad covert wars in nicaragua, chile, and tho one in afganistan that brought bin laden to power, and led to 9/11.
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    I want the 50% military budget cuts in the sequester to happen. My concern is that obama plans to continue the military spending get a deal on raising the debt ceiling.
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    @politicalspice According to Leon Panetta. military budget cuts t will result in 800,000 defense dept. layoffs. Can't you hear the arguments that will follow the layoffs: Beside the loss of our freedom and safety. unemployment taxes will rise on employers and the other safety net programs will kick in food stamps, rent assistance etc laying off these 800.,000 will result in a larger deficit and more government borrowing according to tea party accounting.

    Just thinking, do we have an enemy with an 800K man standing Army other than Korea, who can't feed their troops for more than 3 days and China , who can't deploy their troops) no ships planes or troop carriers to conduct massive transport ???(sarcasm alert)
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    @martydotcom - Sarcasm duly noted, but not all defense workers are in the military. I was a defense worker myself until defense budget cuts got me laid off last year.
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    It is indeed a game, and one Obama knew he'd win...this is what he wants. It doesn't matter to him if he brings the country down, those were his intentions from the beginning, he will not work with anyone, he thinks he's the Messiah, King, a god, name one or all...we are his 'subjects' and how anyone can not see this for what it/ he is,
    and the irreparable damage being done is blind, deaf and dumb !!! Get ready, taxes are going up again, and
    again after that..."there is none so blind ,as those who will not see."
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    I could not agree with you more it amazes me how many people are blind to what this idiot is doing in Washington Oh excuse me he's not in Washington he's in Hawaii playing golf again!!
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    I don't think that Obama thinks that he's the messiah so much as he's aware of his charisma and the effect he can have on some (many?) people.

    That doesn't mean I don't think he's a narcissistic egomaniac who feels like he's entitled to rule with an iron fist or that I don't think you're spot on with the rest of your commentary.
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    I think he's way more concerned with his legacy than actually fixing what's wrong with the nation. You can't explain obamacare any other way. We can't pay for it, it's gonna hurt the economy, and destroy the quality of care we recieve . So I guess the obvious course of action was to ram it through before we knew what we were in for? Same thing with these tax hikes. Is it worth killing the economy to prove a point to all the evil successful people? His actions don't make any sense to me. And I was more willing than most to try to give him the benefit of the doubt .
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    The governments inability to cut spending, become thrifty or even miserly like we the people have to do. Who made America the world's inn keeper. We need to pay more attention to the home front than we do to the leeches of the world. I am not suggesting we turn our backs on disaster relief even though no one seems to step up when America has a disaster.
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    That's a good point. When disaster strikes elsewhere in the world, we American's are always ready and willing to donate. Where are our wealthy friends with Hurrican Sandy relief? Like, for example, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait (what have they done for us lately?), et al. Could it be that charity isn't a part of their culture?
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    @Denizen_Kate Thanks Kate. For some reason I'm getting 3 mails regarding your responses. I'm checking my end to see if I can find out why. DON'T stop replying however. dlw
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    All of those little cliffs concern me, even the ones not listed (like the Sandy bill). Every darn one is going to produce bills loaded with crappus that don't have a thing to do with the original topic. The 'Fiscal Cliff' bill we just went through had to be done. We really had no reasonable choice. But all the stuff attached to it disgusts me. And it will be the same for every bill that comes down the pike.
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    My biggest concern regarding these three "mini-cliffs" is that come late 2013 and early 2014 there will be three cans from early 2013 that got kicked down the road.

    My biggest concern for 2013, aside from the increasing likelihood of WWIII in the Middle East, is how we fiscal conservatives are going to respond to all of this.
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    @Real4WheelDrv-- I'll bring the potato salad. Also, do you have a piano? We're going to need one if it's going to be a musical. I have an old synthesizer that I think still works if you don't.
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    @Bobolinsky I'll handle the burgers, and we need someone to hook us up with some ribs, chicken etc...maybe even some Thunderchicken! As far as the show goes, worst case scenario we can create/compose with some Finale and Fruityloops on my workstation and then Monkees/Milli Vanilli the instruments and music :D Even though yes I'm well aware the Monkees thing was largely false, it's the one most are familiar with lol.
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    The GOP has signalled a willingness to back out of budget cutting measures (they re-funded the Defense Department). After cutting their own legs off, it will be hard to stand against raising the debt ceiling, and backing out of nominal sequestration cuts. A consideration for defaulting on the debt is premature by about 20 years but clearly inevitable. We are regressing to a typical South American type country (not Chile).
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    Why is it we complain about welfare, but offer no solutions. Our nation is one of the highest-costing as far as education. It is also one of the most pitiful when it comes to education. High schools no longer train young people to work. There are far too few technical schools. Young people who aren't university material often fall through the cracks.

    High school used to be a training ground that prepared young people for the working world. No more. In order to pay more administrators big salaries, many schools have opted out of hands-on training. Many kids don't even learn the basic MS Office Suite in high school - Word, Powerpoint, Excel - because schools don't want to pay for the licenses for the software.

    Productive people are created because opportunities of some form or fashion happened for them. Why not take all this welfare money and invest it in education...REAL WORLD education...that give people job skills? More technical schools need to be opened. We can't continue to dump the non-university crowd out onto the street and expect miracles from them. Plumbing, electrical, repair, welding, mechanics, computer skills...there are thousands of specialized trade jobs that could be taught, eventually leading to employment, maybe even business creation.

    We have too many people in America floundering because they have no skills to go on. We need to provide the training that will take them from behind the fast food counter and the welfare lines.
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    Folks, I am just tired of whatever goes on. Heck, no matter what they do in Washington, I do not foresee any real changes for Democrats nor Republicans. I am now mostly focused on who are the teams are heading to NFL Super Bowl as well as the winner of BCS Championship Game: Alabama and University of Notre Dame.
  • #70
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    These democrats have robbed our children and grand children of their future, Good thing Americans have tons of money hey?
  • #61
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    President Obama had some things to say about the "fiscal cliff" and his upcoming agenda.

    “Obviously, there is still more to do when it comes to reducing our debt,” Obama said in the video.“And I’m willing to do more, as long as we do it in a balanced way that doesn’t put all the burden on seniors or students or middle class families, but also asks the wealthiest Americans to contribute and pay their fair share.”

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-we-raised...

    A wise man once told me, "Everything before 'but' is BS."
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    Well at this point, I certainly hope that Soetoro doesn't cut EBT/food stamps unless he wants food riots around April/May.
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