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    So what's a guy to do when they need three hots and a cot and the shelter is full?
    How about we practice common sense and just ignore them like everyone else and leave the helping to those of us that have been helping them all this time.
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    @woodtick57

    Soup kitchens, shelters, churches...
    It's the police that usually harass the homeless by confiscating their gear, tearing up their camps or writing bogus tickets like loitering because they set on a bus stop bench too long or camping without a permit.
    For example in Tucson Arizona there are signs up in the public park (on stone and speedway) that say "don't feed the homeless", and in Colorado Springs the police will "beat the bushes" to look for gear that was hidden while the owner is at the day labor service. Then when a homeless person tries to get arrested intentionally because the weather is way below freezing they just get run out of town. It's not the regular citizens that are bothering the the homeless, they usually just ignore them.
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    @woodtick57

    I wouldn't say all, some are just not in the right location or able to obtain the permits.(Usually because the residents don't want them there)
    The ones that don't are either members of the ministerial alliance, provide motel and food vouchers or will give you a ride to a safe haven.
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    @hwyangel it's hard to get a hypocrite to ever change their mind. Let.'s keep trying and hope for the best. Best for the homeless and the taxpayers.
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    It's California... I'm surprised they haven't put forth legislation Requiring those with Homes to House the Homeless....
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    You'd love this guy, he is gay, a former stand up comic and used to be on the san fransisco city council. I'll bet he'd like to butter your buiscuit
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    If California does fall into the ocean, it'll be the loss of one helluva a cash cow for the red states suckling on the federal teat. Watcha all gonna do?
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  • #36
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    I have mixed feelings on this.
    Many of the homeless are Veterans. Many ate mentally ill people. Many are people who in these hard times, have fallen on especially hard times. Some are abandoned wives or abandoned children. And they are, should be already covered by the same bill of rights as those of us more fortunate.
    However, some municipalities have begun enacting "anti homeless" laws which pretty much outlaws homelessness. While I think that the homeless should have equal access to public property, including sleeping on park benches, beaches, etc.... All the while, we must balance this with the equal rights of public safety and freedom from harassment.
    Especially the freedom to panhandle unregulated. Many panhandlers are intimidating, aggressive individuals. Certainly the public has the right to, the government the duty to provide, legal deterrents to aggressive panhandlers.
    Mentally ill people roaming the streets, another Reagan legacy!
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    I'm also mixed about this, but my human decency usually gets the best of me. Worst case, they take all the money they get from panhandling and whatnot to the liquor stores and stimulate the economy that little bit. Best case they save the money and get back up on their feet.

    I'd like to think of it as a job of sorts. Can't get paid if you don't show up.
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    @Mbjhug
    Yeah, back in the better economic times, some of these people claimed to make upwards of $300 daily: tax free.
    I knew a couple of people in Long Beach who panhandled, but weren't actually homeless. It was, as you said, their job! I considered it myself. More money than cab driving.
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    I fortunately cannot conceive of of what you on the west coast (or even larger cities on the east coast) deal with when you encounter the homeless. it's not that we in (BFE) don't have homeless pelple, it is that the climate is so severe in the winter and the opportunities so few year round that for the most part or cities and outreach programs handle all but the most hardcore and they then run afoul of the police or move on. Despite this I personally are sickened with each shanty town or other evidence of thir desperation. Panhandling however I have no patience with, it has caused the Red Cross to be denied the ability to ring bells and the VFW has been .relegated to road medians. Some things go to far.
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    Keyjo I agree with you. However; America and Americans stay true to form. America and most Americans are bullies. Like the bully in school, America, picks on the weakest in our soceity. It's a shame and a sin before God, how the mentally ill are demonized in this country. There's no other group of people that are sick, that get so mistreated, and denied the help they so desparately need, then the mentally ill. Mental illness is a disease of the brain; like liver disease, heart disease, ect, ect. Yet; those with diseases of the brain are not treated the same as those with other diseases. To make matters even worst for these individuals, there are Laws in place, that even deny the loved one of these individuals to speak on their behalf, as they cannot speak for themselves. America and Americans percieves itself to be a great nation, however, I defind a great nation, on how it treats the least in its soceity. So, from where I stand America and Americans are at a minus 0, a hundred times over. The mentally ill roaming the streets, being thrown in jails and prisons, and denied treatment and or care, is Reagans' legacy, and you saw how his life ended. However; now it is the American peoples legacy, it's up to us to call for change and to make it happen, for those who cannot help themselves, as this is only right, and the humane thing to do.
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    Just great ...just what law bidding folks needs more sick people on the streets...isn't it enough you liberals forced all the mental folks into us normal folks when you closed down all the mental hospitals...now this crap.....hey liberals why don't you take in all these homeless folks and unstable folks....
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    @woodtick57 ACLU and liberals fought to free them from the hospitals...Reagen was forced to sign the bill due to liberals.....
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    @MouseD Instead of the asking the liberals to take them in, how bout the religious institutions living off their gov't subsidies? Isn't that what religion is there for? why aren't the churches packed to the gills with homeles people?
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    @MouseD Actually no, cutting funding for mental institutions did originate from the Reagan administration. Being ignorant of actual history in order to blame the people that you enjoy blaming, is not particularly impressive.

    Then we have the ACLU -- what do you actually know about the ACLU? My guess is absolutely nothing.
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    Just what you'd expect from San Fransicko. Where naked old men are forced to put a towel down on public benches before they plop down.

    San Fransicko. Where you can sodomize your buddy but you can't smoke afterwards...Unless it's mary one a.

    San Fransicko. A dirty, stinky, disgusting, liberal hell-hole.
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    A state badly in debt with a bad economy is going to make it so that tourist can be scared off by panhandlers and people popping a squat in the park. I'm sure that will make a great story back home. We went to California on vacation or to see aunt so and so, and it was full of homeless people asking for money, and our daughter Nancy saw one taking a poop at the park. She wouldn't stop crying! Yeah, nothing stupid about that idea!
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    this will lead to those folks getting more pushy and using the restroom out in the open.

    in my town there is room for all at the shelters. thing is there are rules they must follow,the ones living on the streets do so at choice and not wanting to follow rules. the only ones asking for money are trying to get booze dope or both,all their food clothing and shelter needs are met . i have worked with a few in the past who had the money for a place they preferred to live bill free in makeshift shelters.
  • #25
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    So all of the people opposed to this,
    Where the f$ck do you propose these people sleep? I suspect if someone proposed mass executions of the homeless for the sin of losing at life you people would ask to perform the execution. Probably been itching to use your ak anyways.
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    I'd say you can levy a homeless tax on top of sales tax in order to build or procure shelters where they can sleep and shower. Then open it up to churches and non-profits willing to do the missionary work. Maybe even try helping them with some meaningful employment.
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    Yep... Bullets are cheap! Seriously!!!! Not.... you really got a liberal ax to grind or so it seems
  • #132
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    In my opion on this issue is they are human beings too. They have the same rights as we do. Just think if it was you in there shoes. I mean it wouldnt bother me. They need a place to sleep etc. I believe they got every right to be anywhere just like we do. Think if that was a family member or friend. But another opion is places that helps them get a place and a job. That would help get more jobs and the economy going
  • #113
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    I don't know the solution to the problem of homelessness, but I can't joke about it. Especially not after I found a young man dead and frozen on the streets of Northwest Portland just two days before Thanksgiving, in area full of trendy boutiques and restaurants with dumpsters locked to keep the homeless from stealing scraps of discarded food.
  • #116
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    That made me sick to my stomach. It is shame that we have such of problem in the United States of America. Once again, no MATTER WHAT POLITICAL PARTY, this problem needs to be conquered.
  • #112
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    If the gun folks wanted to help out they could give a gun to each and every homeless man woman and child. Homelessness is dangerous and they have a right to protect themselves so it is only logical that they should all have guns. It might improve the results of panhanling too.
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