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    Hopefully it will mean the American theocrats will continue to be frustrated in their efforts to turn our country into a totalitarian nightmare. Free to practice your religion or none? Yes. Free to impose your religion on everyone through acts of law? Never. Not in the U.S.
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    @PNWest The very far right. But they are vocal and there are sects which are not just praying for an American theocracy. They're actively working toward it. It's a conspiracy but not a secret one since they are proud of their goals and have web sites explaining their strategies and purposes. Frankly, I do not want the U.S. military in the hands of those who look forward to the Apocalypse.
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    @Zazziness

    have you heard the stories of the christian bias in the USAF academy?

    Uber-christians with jets and bombs...Yikes!
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    @woodtick57 I try to follow the public activities of the Dominionist churches because I feel they are dangerous. One of their tactics is deliberately sending chaplains into our military with the intent to convert. Many are very unfriendly to anyone who isn't another evangelical Christian. That is not what our men and women in the military deserve when they seek spiritual comfort/advice.
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    I would hope that religious affiliation would have nothing to do with how you legislate. Congressmen work for their constituents, not their pastor. Unfortunately, this is not always the case, hence the current state of the GOP. Barry Goldwater warned of this in 1981. "I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?...I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
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    Does that surprize anyone in the direction this country is going?- You can't open any page of the news paper on any given day, that's not plastered with Murder, rape, incest, wholesale degradation, wars and deviant behavior. This country has lost its moral compass........

    John Adams
    2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
    --Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
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    yeah, look at all the theocracies in the world, present and past....they have been so moral! perhaps that has to do with the outrageously immoral guidbooks those religions use?
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    Imagine? Go to any place that practices sharia law. You can remove the whole imagination arguement with the truth of what happens when the bilbe/koran are used to run a country. Don't give me some crap about the fact it's the koran. They are for all intents and purposes nearly identical religions that are based on many of the same writings. You want to stone your wife for adultery you don't need a koran. You don't even need to go very many chapters into the bible. You want religion as a guding compass in this country? Pick up a history book. I'd suggest you read up on the religious tolerance and faith in god's will that was demonstrated in Salem, Mass.

    Now onto the article itself. How many more "nones" do you think there would be if we removed those who view religion as nothing more than a tool to garner votes and gain public favor. Religous lawmakers would indeed be in the minority as both sides are filled to the brim with men from both sides of the aisle who attend church on sunday the same way others punch a time card at the factory. They're putting in their time and being seen doing it but in the end it's just another day at the job. This is why Rev. Wright was never an issue for me. I've always believed Obama was probably sitting in the pews humming motown songs to himself as his church attendance was just another day being seen by his local voters like it is for damned near every politician in this country.
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    "You can't open any page of the news paper on any given day, that's not plastered with Murder, rape, incest, wholesale degradation, wars and deviant behavior."

    And that has been true of this nation and all nations since the dawn of time, except we didn't used to be able to share the news about it in print, for profit.

    Theocracies are the most violent, oppressive, and stagnant form of totalitarian government the Earth has ever seen. Why anyone would look at Afghanistan under the Taliban and say "Gee, I wished I lived under the same form of government" is totally beyond me.
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    This means progress. Government, like it or not, is secular in nature. Why? Separation of Church and State. Our representative form of government is suppose to represent the public. The public's beliefs, ideas, etc. change from generation to generation. With the rise of atheists in public office, it reflects the population. Atheists are on the rise. I'm a Christian and I can already hear others saying that this is heretical: Good for atheists. Really, now they have someone to represent and reason their ideas more accurately. This is one of the best things Congress can offer to the people: diversification--just like us.
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    yes! crimes rates going down. treating more of our citizens as equals. the further we get away from stone-age, immoral religions, the more moral of a country we become. it is not rocket science...
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    No, this "us vs. them" mentality you and others have is part of the problem. Religion and morality are not mutually exclusive, and religious belief, or lack thereof, should be a nonissue when it comes to politics and legislation. Religion divides people more than it unites them, and I'm glad the playing field is starting to level a bit.
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    @woodtick57 Religion and morals go hand-in-hand! Crime rates going down? Where? Rampant drug abuse, teen pregnancy and lazy, dependent youth are the results of religious-free homes, schools and Congress.
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    @Blessed

    Hardly! religion has nothing to do with morals.

    Crime rates are down across the country. Drug use has remained pretty stable regardless of peoples' faith or federal laws. teen pregnancy rises when religious abstitnence only education is forced on teens.

    Seems you have it all backwards...
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    @Blessed I'm sorry to say facts show you to be wrong. The highest teen pregnancy rates are in the Bible Belt, for instance.(Probably because of schools there being force to teach abstinence-only birth control instead of including other science-based methods of birth control.) http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/08/03/63... Nevada excepted, the highest divorce rates are in the Bible Belt. http://www.statemaster.com/graph/lif_div_rat-... And rural areas of the Bible Belt have lots of folks who are on welfare. http://www.google.com/imgres...
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    It means that either Americans are getting smarter, or that they are more willing to admit that they are smart. Either way, it is a glorious moment in the constant fight against anti-intellectualism in the United States. May it continue until religion is no more.
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    I don't see this as a problem and I hope that it will lead to us getting along better and stop pushing for one doctrine over another. Religion is a personal matter and has no place in government. The idea that atheists or non religious persons are immoral is just not true.
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    Religion has every place in Government, as long as it's Christianity. The man without God should never be a legislator (law-maker), for how does he know what law is? To the man without God the law is just a figment of his imagination, whatever he wants it to be (to kill babies is okay, for example). Only a man of God can legislate with justice for all.
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    It will be one less LIE the politicians will have to tell.

    I feel that within 10 years we (earthlings) will see the greatest lie ever told (religion) exposed complexly and then put on the shelf with the other fairy tales.

    We will be so disgusted by its fifth and lies that we will as a society will socially shun it like we did with cigarette smoking.

    The information age has killed the false god/gods. Teaching the masses to read and comprehend has lead to freedom from religion. Once you understand it, you leave it.

    For Good.
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    Obama already said it.. We are not a Christain nation anymore, it was a truth we were founded on but he and his flock have anti-Christ views, in the Bible: " as the king went, so did the nation, thankfully there rose up kings afterwards that destroyed the false gods and God forgave them
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    @woodtick57
    It's as clear to you as it is to me the opposite, you have to believe in God to see him they say, I see the hand of God in the foundations of the USA clearly!
    The Bible, at any age, is a wealth of information!:)
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    The history of the US would show that we get closer to our founding goals the further we get from the stifling rule of religion...
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    @woodtick57 So are you saying the end of slavery and the achievement of civil rights for all were not influenced by religion? This nation was founded on the belief that all men were created equal under one God.
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    Respect the agnostic then; they're the only ones with the sense to say "Insufficient data therefore any conclusion is sheer speculation." Religious and atheist alike make assumptions then have faith those assumptions are the right guess.
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    @Zazziness Yes, I agree. However the null hypothesis is that there is no god. It is the responsibility of the theist (those making the proposition) to make the case for god, which can not be logically accomplished beyond a matter of faith. Therefore, I consider myself an atheistic agnostic. We can't know one way or the other for certain, but I can find absolutely no indisputable evidence for god. We can always have faith, but faith is irrational and does not constitute evidence.
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    @Russell797

    I realize that it's another subject but...
    I disagree with faith being "irrational". There are many concepts that are widely accepted as truth that can be proven, tested, measured, predicted, or counted. Like for example, love, forgiveness, hope, peace, and charity. All things that require faith.
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    @hwyangel

    how does love require faith in some mythical god? or any of the other things you mentioned. the fact that non-believers fall in love by the millions would be proof enough that that is BS...
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    @woodtick57

    1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

    Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
    37 Jesus replied:“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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    @woodtick57 No- my point was why claim a religion when it's so obvious all polictians are corrupt. It was a sarcastic comment with a little bit of dry humor.
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    @woodtick57 - "What hell is that? Do they all retire in Gary, Indiana?" LMBO! Thanks, my first major chuckle of the week. I passed through Gary once ...
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    Good.. I'm not religious but I believe in god but that's it for me in terms of religion. I agree with Karl Marx on religion.. "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people."
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    I don't get it? is it any out there truly exist the "Christian State" thing? Muslim State Exist, Hindu State Exist, Buddhist State Exist, Jewish State also exist, but I'm never heard any Nation who called themself as Christian State,,,,,,So what exactly these idiot Liberal scare about? to compare Taliban with the GOP is tottally disguisting. At least Gay and Lesbian Parades does happen in Texas. Try those in Afghanistan,Saudis or any muslims states and you will be hanged alive. Christianity is a dogma, peoples don't follow it properly anymore. They look at the faith as accescory to keep their traditional culture alive. USA is officially Atheist State already, but because most American do not want their traditional values and what they stand for diminishing, they try to keep their religion at their ID Card. I just cannot thinking what if someday American do not celebrates Christmass, Easter, Thanskgiving anymore. that would be suck!!
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    Since the evangelicals/conservatives/fau x Christians have raided the chicken coop, so to speak, this new bit of information may not be a bad thing! Possibly even a blessing, until we get back on track regarding church/state separation! Water and oil do not mix well and were never intended to.
    Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)
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