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    I keep reading threats of civil wad. You guys are like politicians. Always making promises you don't keep. Get to it already, will ya? I can not wait to see what happens to thousands of right wingers taking up arms against the u.s. Be the best application of post birth arbortion I can ever imagine.
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    @PoliticalSpice Well I think strong gun laws by the executive branch are a bit more likely to start a civil war than a few things about healthcare since it would be a complete bypass of congress to take away rights. And I'm not one of those people always threatening civil war, but I'm sure this would push us into one. So when it happens will you please back Obama 100%? Since you obviously don't think we follow through.
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    It is outragous how they are violating the second amendment. Why, as a citizen, is Obama infringing on my right to possess an atomic bomb...
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    @PoliticalSpice
    Oh my, there is so much I could say about the challenges you have been making, however, allow me to present you with a question instead. Forget which amendment we are talking about and then imagine the President bypassing Congress & the people by using executive order to change the Constitution?
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    @kathyparsell I respect you so I'll try to put this in context. The bottom line here isthat the use of an executive order means several things: First, he is signaling he does not want to take it to congress-in other words he would rather not fight for new gun control legislation; second, he is confining himself to interpretting an enforcing existing laws on the books; third, whatever he is doing is far easier to challenge in court; fourth, whatever he is doing can be undone by another administration; fifth it is a way to placate those who want gun control without doing anything about it.

    This is a signal those opposed to gun control have won this battle. Instead of understanding that they get all crazy.

    As to repealing the constitution, that already happened. It's called the Patriot Act.
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    I hope this surprises no one. These new age Democrats are so arrogant that they will bypass every checks and balances in our Government to achieve their goals. The ends always justifies the means when it comes to these activist control freaks. Here's just a few examples. For all people who love to own guns for hunting, protection, target shooting. Lame Duck Obama's true colors surface and he says screw you, I don't like guns and one step at a time will disarm America (of course like England we will always tell you that we would never take your hunting firearms) For all pro life folks. Obama says screw you, I think Abortions are good & I will mandate you pay for them. For all you folks who think spanking your children is the most important life lesson a parent could ever give their child. Democrats say no, in our superior arrogant mind, spanking is ABUSE, and therefore will make laws that allows a child to have his parent arrested if they should spank him.(gee I wonder when parents started losing control of their kids?) For all you Americans who loved the yearly Christmas and Easter pageants in your schools. Liberals say screw you, we don't like any mention of our Christian heritage in schools and from now on will be intolerant of your freedoms to express your majority faith even though your taxes pay for those schools. We must censor all forms of individual rights in order not to offend the one.(translation: not to offend the Liberal) To all you Obama supporters, it is truly sad to see what freedoms you allow to be taken from us all for the sake of free Government subsidies.
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    This is a silly paranoid rant worthy of a teabagger. Especially the part where you say a pres who hasn't even been sworn in yet is a lame duck.
    Abortions are not 'good', and nobody thinks they are, but they are a necessary option. Or would you rather support unwanted children through welfare?
    Spanking? Where did that come from? Is there some issue you need to talk about?
    We still have Christmas and Easter here, but I haven't seen much in the way of pageantry lately. Budget cuts. Republican budget cuts.
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    @userfriendly What, do you live in a cave? Years ago Liberals made it a crime to spank our children. The schools were teaching the kids to turn their parents into the law if they were spanked. Thankfully decent parents ignore what idiot Liberals mandate. If your schools still allow Christmas and Easter celebrations consider yourself lucky but it won't last long. Our schools have eliminated Christmas and Easter pageants thanks to Liberal morons who sue the schools if they mention God. Obama is a lame duck which means he can not run again so therefore his true beliefs will surface since he does not have to worry about getting future votes. I laugh at the ridiculous insults you Obama supporters label at the Tea party. Tell me what terrible things they stand for. The only thing i know they want is for our Government to quit spending money that they don't have. They want our politicians to balance the budget, How can that offend any thinking person? You say Abortions are not good...... why not? If you believe Abortions are not good then obviously you believe it to be killing living growing human beings. If they were not human beings why would it not be good? Then you go on to say what would I rather do, support them on welfare? Now listen to your words and THINK! You just said it is better to kill living growing human beings than to support them on welfare. Can you grasp what you just said? In your totally selfish world, we would all be better off if we go down to the welfare offices and start killing the welfare clients. Can you Liberals get any more self consumed? I agree with you, we do not want unwanted Babies being conceived but the answer sure is not to kill the child. How about getting back to a day when we spoke about values, not sleeping around unless you loved the person and then if you should get pregnant the child has a loving mother and father. Nah, LETS ABORT THEM, THAT'S EASIER RIGHT?
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    I may be wrong, but it feels like the admin has already decided what it is going to do - and that is use executive order to do what they want done. After the meetings with pro-gun groups tomorrow, do not be surprised if press reports come out about how uncooperative these groups were in "negotiations".
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    Why would Obama "negotiate" with the NRA? It is nice of him to even invite them to the white house to have their opinions heard. He doesn't need to.
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    @PNWest Because once the NRA, and other groups that fight for our Constitutional rights, get fully in gear on this issue, Obama's second term will be toast. You thought mid-term elections during Obama's first term were a rout? Wait until Americans literally get "up in arms" over this. I know a lot of gun-toting Democrats who don't have a problem with Obama's socialized medicine, but who will not stand for Obama blatantly stripping us of our rights by dictatorial fiat.
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    @CaryNickel 74% of the NRA members support laws removing gun show loophole. When the NRA and other gun lobbies start representing the actual MEMBERSHIP instead of the MANUFACTURER, then this country might see sensible gun laws.
    The NRA had their chance to take a leadership position in the wake of the SH tragedy. Instead, the NRA chose to deflect, once again, all blame from the gun industry. When the govt outlaws your favorite weapons, just think back to that last sentence and wonder "what would have happened if...?"
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    Banning guns? Yeah, that will work. Anyone remember Prohibition? And I am sure every car jacking, gang banger will just give up their guns and blow fairy dust all over.
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    White House considering executive order to clamp down on firearms?

    Go Ahead Obama...I'd adore to see you get impeached!!!
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    I support the NRA because they are my voice in Washington and around the world. The NRA is a big lobby group because a large percent of the American population support them. If Obama and Bidden use executive order to band certain Guns then they are telling Americans like me that The people that I elect to speak on my behalf means nothing to them. Just as you have seen a flurry of gun sales after they were talking banning simi-auto weapons, You will also see a Flurry of People waking up and talking to there elected officials about their future as a politician. You will see an uprising like you never saw before. The NRA isn't the bad guys, they are the voice of law abiding citizens who believe we have the right to own any weapon we choose and we will get behind them and win. Laws need to be passed to make gun owners responsible for there guns. Safes should be required and if a person doesn't secure there weapons and a mental ill person gets ahold of them or a thief takes them because you have them in a drawer or the corner of your closet, that gun owner hasn't done what a reasonable and prudent person should do to secure there weapons and that gun owner should be charged with Involuntary manslaughter and do jail time and loose there right to have firearms.. Note I did say secured as a reasonable and prudent person should do. That doesn't mean that if a thief broke into your house and cut your safe open, then you cant do much about that.
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    George Washington would have kicked Biden's squirrely ass..“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American peoples’ liberty teeth and keystone under independence... From the hour the pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable...The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.”
    ― George Washington
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    They don't have enough cops to enforce a gun grab...let alone a gun ban. Mexico might become an arms importer like HK and Taiwan are to China.
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    you have to be drugged out of your mind not to be worried about this,the very idea that they would voice the idea of using executive orders to by pass the second amendment.its like they are testing every possible avenue no matter how unconstitutional,if this does not scare you????
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    Biden said the president would act, but gave no details. Let's just wait and see, shall we? No sense getting all in a twist just yet. Politix just likes to alarm us with provocative headlines and get us all fired up.
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    @Denizen_Kate well being as an executive order is of questionable constitutionally at best,purely dictatorial at worst,,,gun confiscation has been the end game plan,this is the first time they have openly suggested they would act with openly totalitarian impunity,its breath taking in its sheer audacity
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    @Denizen_Kate Your right he didn't give any details of what that action might be. But the act of passing it without congress is highly disturbing,and sound like a threat. To me this is how it sounds ' I Don't Care What Congress Thinks About It I'm Going To Pass Whatever I Want " the fact that he didn't give to many details as to what the act will be, makes my Imagination go wild with possiblities. Doesn't this make you at least a little uneasy?
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    @paperdragons81 - A little uneasy, sure, but this type of vague story with inflamatory headline gets some people really worked up. IF and WHEN an executive order is issued, I doubt very much that it will entail confiscation of existing weapons.
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    Hey yeah, based on his past executive actions and ramming through Obamacare, it's a real concern.

    Even Pravda is concerned:

    http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/2012/12/29...

    Russian Press Pravda Message to Americans: Do Not Give Up Your Guns

    Obama and his juiced up koolaide drinking apparatchiks would love to get rid of American's abilities to defend themselves against a renegade, NWO oriented government. But that is also the goal of the super rich elites who are behind this scheme that has little to do with your safety. It's a mental health issue primarily.
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    Potentially, a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

    Ayn Rand
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    Where exactly does the president derive the authority to pass executive orders that have the full weight of law? It sure isn't from the constitution.
    An executive order is supposed to be an administrative decision that influences how existing laws will be enforced. It is not supposed to be used to bypass the legislative branch and create laws where none exist.
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    Obama and Biden are cruisen for a bruisen here!! I tell you it seems they are looking for big trouble!! This is America! First you pass this bullshit healthcare bill without the votes now this! How much do we take? They are taking our country from us.
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    @ SignifiedNblue Wasn't this your comment on the Piers thread?....

    "I laughed when this story was originally released...people get so irrate they now think they can just deport at random over free speech lol
    He has as much right to the US Constitution as anyone in America lol "

    Are you confused? You are okay with the first but not the second? Only you and Piers have rights?

    Well guess what WE have as much right as you and Piers. Get over it.
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    Im sorry but I do agree. Control needs to happen . The US Constitution was written way before the crazy murdering nowadays. Theres no need for assault weapons Lanza had. Something has to happen. It needs some serious consideration
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    @ SignifiedNblue Wasn't this your comment on the Piers thread?....

    "I laughed when this story was originally released...people get so irrate they now think they can just deport at random over free speech lol
    He has as much right to the US Constitution as anyone in America lol "

    Are you confused? You are okay with the first but not the second? Only you and Piers have rights?

    Well guess what WE have as much right as you and Piers. Get over it.
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    @SignifiedNBlue I agree and anyone trying to stifle that is wrong or suggest the deportation. Just like the RIGHT to bear arms and any "further" infringement on that. My point or question was.... you support the first but not the second?
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    @cleverusername I support both. However something is horribly wrong when shooting innocent people becomes a regular event. I dont believe when the Constitution was created that it took into consideration whats become any every day event.
    The Second Amendment was essentially to protect your life, family and property from the Government and intruders.. Not slaughter innocent people. Something has to give. And my opinion nobody needs semi automatic guns, machine guns
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    Donald Kaul retired earlier this year. Now he has decided to return to writing occasional opinion columns for OtherWords.org . The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. brought out all his ugliness.

    In a column that appeared after the shooting with the headline "Kaul: Nation needs a new agenda on guns," he proposed a new liberal agenda: repeal the Second Amendment, declare the NRA a terrorist organization and make membership illegal, and well, make violent threats to Republican leaders and NRA members. The Des Moines Register publishedthis junk on December 29.

    "I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control," he wrote. Is that a threatening James Byrd reference? "And if that didn't work, I'd adopt radical measures," he continued.

    This was how he spelled out the other agenda items, which included killing NRA members who wouldn't surrender their arms:

    "Here, then, is my "madder-than-hell-and-I'm -not-going-to-take-it-anymore " program for ending gun violence in America:

    Repeal the Second Amendment, the part about guns anyway. It's badly written, confusing and more trouble than it's worth. It offers an absolute right to gun ownership, but it puts it in the context of the need for a "well-regulated militia." We don't make our militia bring their own guns to battles. And surely the Founders couldn't have envisioned weapons like those used in the Newtown shooting when they guaranteed gun rights. Owning a gun should be a privilege, not a right.

    Declare the NRA a terrorist organization and make membership illegal. Hey! We did it to the Communist Party, and the NRA has led to the deaths of more of us than American Commies ever did.(I would also raze the organization's headquarters, clear the rubble and salt the earth, but that's optional.) Make ownership of unlicensed assault rifles a felony. If some people refused to give up their guns, that "prying the guns from their cold, dead hands" thing works for me."

    The so-called "news" media love to blame conservatives for the declining civility of our democratic discourse, but the hateful venom spewed by supposedly enlightened liberals like Kaul is as vicious as it gets.

    Publishing death threats is bad enough, but doing so in the name of promoting a more peaceful, compassionate society is beyond sick. But this clown will probably never realize the absurdity of his argument.
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    Now, liberals thinking on how to take guns from conservatives? Using violence and death threats? Yeah, that makes sense, duh.
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