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    Politix, how about one more option on this poll: Should a presidential inauguration have any religious connotations at all? I would vote no.
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    Leave it to you Kate. Too bad it's not an option when we vote for our politicians. If the NO wins, they have to run another set of politicians at us......LOL
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    Now this wins my statement of the day award. Take this award and a couple of bucks to Starbucks and get a coffee. Still, it's dead on the money. Can't improve on this one.
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    Better yet let's allow King Obama to just make an executive order outlawing any religion and solve it all. Then he can declare himself King for life and you can all live happily ever after.....
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    He shouldn't change his views to appease anyone....a persons beliefs are their convictions....so what if someone doesn't approve of the alternative lifestyle
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    Her hoping he changed his beliefs in the twenty years since he made them is not the same as saying he should change them to appease someone. Have you changed some of your beliefs in the last 20 years? I know I have.

    Anyhow, what on earth does that have to do with swearing obama in for the inaguration? Its not like obama is going to be making him a justice of the supreme court...
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    No, he shouldn't change his views simply to appease people. He should change them to become more humanistic, more empathetic, more caring, more compassionate...to become a better person...to stop perpetuating a culture that demonizes other people for living their own lives...to stop contributing to a stigma and mindset in our society that leads gay people to be 4 times more likely to commit suicide. And the list goes on.
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    @awbaldridge
    No one is demonizing gays. He is a pastor. Most pastors believe the Bible. What do people expect? You can find a pastor that picks and chooses what to believe from the Bible, then that one could get called a hypocrite. Real Christians don't hate anyone. They just may not agree with their lifestyle because of their own beliefs. I am a Christian who has gay friends that I love. We just leave religion out of our relationships. My brother was gay. He died over 7 years ago. I loved him more than you could believe!!! We were brought up the same with the exception that my parents were older parents and had very outdated beliefs in how boys and girls should be raised. They got mad at me when I made my teenage son do his own laundry. I believe they should be brought up the same. Both knowing how to care for themselves.
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    Giglio has now withdrawn his invitation to deliver the benediction at the presidential inaugural.
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    Unfortunately, the most vocal Christians are homophobic, illogical and decidedly un-Christian, not to mention fully lacking in humility. They would rather exclude and divide rather than show any tolerance of those unlike themselves - sort of like an American version of the Taliban.
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    I'm trying to think of one opinion of mine that hasn't changed in the last 20 years... Nope, I guess I'm wishy-washy - I seem to change my mind when new facts become available...

    Add for this preacher, let him preach. He will, presumably, limit his intercessions to the Flying Spaghetti Monster to the success of the President, safety and welfare of the nation, etc.
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    @DARSB - I'm going to have to 'fess up, dude.... I also read "Bored of the Rings" too. Literary giant.
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    @Rocker Oh, yeah? I'll see your "Bored" with a Silmarillion signed by Christopher Tolkien.#nerdgasm
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    @DARSB - <gasp> Blatant Braggart!!! I withdraw in shame. LOL I have been bested on the field of literature.
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    Of course he should be allowed there. If that how he feels, thats how he feels I feel the same way he does.
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    Of course he should be allowed there. Plenty of folks who disgree with homosexuals and their agenda. Perhaps Obama is finally recognizing them.....for once.
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    I too hope that his views have changed. Not only for himself, but for the members of the Gay Community that President Obama spoke of as if he agreed with or at least felt deserved protection. What a slap in the face otherwise. A further validation of why I never could vote for Barak Obama, he isn't mature enough
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    Sure, he can change his views... but then, he could just toss out the Bible too and stop referring to himself as Christian. The Bible is clear.. it is an ABOMINATION. Not my opinion.. not the pastors opinion.. but GOD's opinion.
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    He's a christian. It's part of their philosophy. It's a racist and discriminatory institution to it's very core. No suprise here at all. Now if only he'd point out that adultery is a stoning offense and one of the big ten (commandments) which would seem to make it a more deplorable act in the eyes of god. Especially given it's mentioned and denounced far more in the bible than homosexuality. Oh wait, that would be far to inconvinient for just about everyone who claims to be christian.
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    I know theres Alot of christian/catholic based groups that do things to cause people to think badly of them, and thats a shame.. but a true christian will follow the ways of the NEW Testament, not the Old testament which was brutal in its charges against sin and the definition of the many types....the New Testament (2nd half of the bible) which are the pages from after his birth, speak of a more benevolent God, is what the teachings of True Christianity are based off of..Christ's day's.. thus the term CHRIST-ianity
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    @Souljah Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill them.
    The old testament still applies and each of it's laws. Those are the words of Jesus himself. Further, he went from making adultery not just a sin (still punishable by stoning it is not original sin) but he made thinking of another woman a sin as well. Jesus raised the stakes and introduced the concept of thought crimes against God.
    It's to convenient that christians believe they can toss the old testament out the window when the mood suits them to because it suits their purposes. If the old testament did not apply then why bother to teach from it or use it in any fashion. Because it was the method in which Jesus and his disciples tried to legitimize his divinity. Sadly they failed from the very beginning as they were unable to establish his lineage to David.
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    I'm a Christian. Our church marries same sex couples. The Episcopaleans are Christians. They have gay clergy. There are a growing number of denominations who are tired of Christianity=gay bashing. Times, they are a changin'.
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    @frigginhell thank you .. yes he did say he came to fullfill them, but not in through coersion.. if you read the book you realize that the very church members that turned him in were supposedly following the old testament and he came to CHANGE that..

    John 8.1 thru John 8.11=But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

    the point is when two people hear an inaugural speech they will Not have the same exact account.. that is whats happening.. your saying christians in general but like zazzy said there are numerous churches who understand CHRIST's true message.. That we are all sinners just trying to better ourselves.. as far as is it morally wrong? who's to say for sure but Im not trying to condemn you for your actions if thats your thing.. but its hypocritical to say christians are discriminatory when by definition your remarks are just that.. a generalization of something far more a diverse.. as a Christian I still dont hate you tho..thats the difference ..
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    If this is what this man thinks he has the right to think it! HE HAPPENS TO BE CORRECT ON THIS ISSUE AND ALL THE TYPICAL RESPONSES OF HOMOPHOBIC OR OTHER INSULTS DOES NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS CORRECT! GOOD FOR HIM! LOVE THE PERSON HATE THE SIN DO NOT EXCUSE THE BEHAVIOR. WWW.NARTH.COM
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    The story is that he was picked because of his working on the human trafficking problem. So the gay agenda people will tear down a man of God based on something they disagree with 15 some years ago and possibly jeopardize his helping victims in the human trafficking industry? Incredible. This shows the selfishness and sinfulness of the gay agenda movement...truly satan wins this round...for now...
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    Human sexuality is not the problem......Its RELIGION......The false facade of religion, the lie of religion, the worshipping of silly fake gods.......and the "god given" right to hate , which is taught best by religion.

    Beliefs in "gods" has been the worst idea the human race ever dreamed up.

    Its a horrible infection that is spread through force, fear, and superstition. It is rampant among the uneducated... thats its favorite breeding ground.

    Hey I bet ole Ted Haggard had some real good sermons on homosexuality.....HEHEHEHEHheh ehhh...yeah......bet he did!

    Do you really wanna gain life? Lose religion.
  • #79
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    I guess the gays and the atheist will raise hell but so what? It's time this country got back to majority rule instead of the little few that get offended because not everyone loves their way of life. Quit your bellyaching because not everybody loves you.
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    "Rabidly anti-gay"? How fascinating...what if an article read...those who practice homosexuality are "rabidly anti-Christ"? Freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of conscience...and I agree...hope he has NOT changed...from..."it is not God's best"...because ultimately...it isn't...
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